College of Thelema: Thelemic Education

I think the source of my confusion is that I am looking at it from a specific type of Tantra. Do you know what type of yoga/Hinduism Crowley specifically studied in India or otherwise?

I feel like this has become circular. On the one hand we have Nuit as the passive female and Hadit as the powerful creative (Solar Phallic), yet on the other hand we have Chaos as the male/passive and Babalon as the female/powerful?

To make this point clearer, the dynamic force in the Nuit/Hadit relationship is the male Hadit, where as the dynamic force in the Chaos/Babalon (Chockmah/Binah) is the female Babalon? If this be the case how then can Therion or Hadit be associated with the Choas/Babalon relationship?

If Chaos is peace why then would one associate Therion with Choas? Therion and Hadit are both the Solar Phallic force is it not?

The problem with these assertions is that they run contrary to traditional Hindu Tantra. Shiva is the passive, contemplative yogi that cannot be awoken from meditation, even from Shakti at times, and Shakti is the active and creative principle that brings the passive potential of Shiva into fruition. (I can provide academic citations for that assertion). Even the lingam is seen as Shiva's potentiality for creation in contemplative "I-ness".

There's a bigger issue I'm seeing though. Nuit is clearly an analogue for Shiva as Shiva is seen as the passive contemplative principle on Hindu Tantra and Hadit is clearly an analogue for Shakti as the creative uncoiling serpent who also manifests in the muladhara chakra. In this he reverses the male and female principles, but then places Babalon as the female conceptual principle at Binah. How then could the male Beast be the Word and Babalon be the creative female? Which actually would he the proper analogues for Shiva and Shakti in this relationship?

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I think I tried to edit that reply where I said the Vision and Voice only referenced the Beast twice but it didn't catch because I have a digital version too and it clearly references it many times.

I guess I am curious why in all of his most lucid writing he never makes the connection, while making many contradictory statements in Book 4 and Liber Cheth, not to mention the Gnostic Mass, but thanks for pointing out the Vision and the Voice references.

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In a comment about the 24th Aethyr, he writes: "24. Now appears his mate, the heavenly Venus, the Scarlet Woman, who by men
is thought of as Babalon as he is thought of as Chaos."
Which doesn't equate Chaos and the Beast only, as you say, Babalon may have multiple consorts.

The entire Vision and the Voice never refers to Therion and the Beast only twice (that I am aware of), with no reference to either Chaos or Chockmah when referring to the Beast.

The New Comment never refers to Chaos at all and only to Chockmah twice, once with reference to the Word, but no mention of the Beast or Therion when talking about Chockmah.

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I was hoping someone could give me a legitimate reference from Crowley's writing concerning this question. I have read some other authors equate Chaos and Therion, and even equate Therion with Chockmah. However, other than the switch Crowley made in the Star Ruby switching Chaos with Therion, I can find no instance of him saying this. in fact I find many more references where he claims that Chaos and Therion are distinct.

In Chapter 0 of Book 4 "The Magical Theory of the Universe" He lays out the relationship of Chaos and Babalon as Chockmah and Binah.

In Liber Cheth he differentiates between Chaos and the Beast twice:

1. This is the secret of the Holy Graal, that is the sacred vessel of our Lady the Scarlet Woman, Babalon the Mother of Abominations, the bride of Chaos, that rideth upon our Lord the Beast.

2. And the end thereof is known not even unto Our Lady or to the Beast whereon She rideth; nor unto the Virgin her daughter nor unto Chaos her lawful Lord; but unto the Crowned Child is it known? It is not known if it be known.

And in Chapter VII of Book 4 He describes Chaos again as the one in which Babalon presents the Grail: "Of the preservation of this blood which Our Lady offers to the Ancient One, Chaos the All-Father...."

And in the Gnostic Mass in the Creed, Chaos, Babalon, and Baphomet(Serpent and the Lion) and called in order separately.

However, I have yet to find one reference directly in Crowley's work that directly equates Therion with Chaos, or Therion with Chockmah. Could someone please help me find an actual Crowley statement on this?

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