College of Thelema: Thelemic Education

That makes a great deal of sense.

In whatever environment you find yourself, your True Will is obviously to take the best advantage of that situation to guide yourself.

However, I think that there is no need to pretend that the game that we are playing as humanity currently aligns with True Will.

There also appeared to be another level of meaning in the quotes that drove towards the "choice" of those scenarios, or settings, one might say.

In addition, there appeard to be a philosophical axiom that one has impllicitly agreed with all tue rules here, and a possible conclusion that therefore any consequences are ones own.

As I said, I see no difference between being thrown in jail for posession of pot to catching a cold.

Each had a risk behaviour associated with it that was statistically triggered. But, everything has some sort of risk profile. Ask the actuaries.

The tragedy to me appears to be that the former is accepted with the same status and level of Authority as the latter, when in fact we can actually do more about it.

Namaste.

@Jim Eshelman said

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@moonchilde said
"So, to sum up, whatever happens to one is factual "True Will", regardless of ANY circumstances.

Is this an accurate assessment?"

No, I wouldn't say it is at all.

Although... just maybe... you mean something different from your words than I see in them."

Here is a survey of some quote on the board.

I am not asking you to take responsibility for anyone's comments, but to express your understanding of how Thelema supports the viewpoint.

So we start with a clean strawman to work with, I would suggest that getting caught for drug posession has equal Choice and Will content as getting hit by a car walking across the street or perhaps getting a cold.

If anyone believes this is not the case, please explain.

Given that, some quotes:

*If you are imprisoned (on parole), this suggests you violated the Law of Will to get yourself to that point and you will have to endure its consequences until you learn better.
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Among the many, many implications of all of this is that you, as an individual, are also inseparable from the society

Did you will yourself to prison? In a way, you did (and of course, in a way, you didn't). In any case, by whatever means, you did not do what is called "True Will" unless going to prison is what you want to call your True Will.

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"Being born in Jim Crow's America, for example, would not imply complicity and subservience to racial segregation."

It MIGHT imply either of those. It may also imply a need to punish oneself, the need for a lesson in humility, a setup for political activism, a need to be where other suffering and suppressed people need support, a motivation to leave the area, a positioning of oneself to be a witness to that phase of history, or countless other things. In any case, it isn't inconsequential and isn't without choice."

You are not a victim, you are a perpetrator who got caught.

"You broke the law, you got caught, there are consequences" probably sounds like a defense of the law. (At least, it probably sounds that way to somebody who eventually will read this <g>.) It isn't. It's just stating facts, circumstances in which you exist.

*So... like I've mentioned before, these inconveniences on your will that currently exist may in fact (actually, I'm quite sure they do) point in the direction of your True Will. *

The thing for YOU to get in all of this is that you have voluntarily entered into a system which has these circumstances.

Perhaps you could see where I might infer that?

Please clear up my confusion, thanks.

This is quite an interesting thread.

So, to sum up, whatever happens to one is factual "True Will", regardless of ANY circumstances.

Is this an accurate assessment?

Thanks!

Hi! Thanks for the reply.

Yes, well, it seems to me that part of the idea of western mystery schools is to create a set of maps (which certainly needn't be all logos, per se) that are valid for the clusters of experiences/energies that encompass whatever phenomena one wants to try it with.

In my case, the thought was to map them what are called the spheres. I guess I would tend to think of them symbolically as strange attractors (attractors are points around which energies (in this case) coalesce) (strange attractors have a non-integer dimension (cf pythagoras - the secret of the circle) ) but that is probably neither here nor there.

So, part of the key to both our playings is - how to lay out the topology. What piece belongs where? I don't know what kind of correspondences you were trying to create, but what would you get out of the transformed model? Are you looking to see what is now "next" to another data point unexpectedly (do they share an edge), or what bigger patterns can be made of groupings of correspondences...?

For mine, I guess I would place the spheres in each geometric location. One fixed spot would be Da'ath (in the 4th, 'away' form us). I guess I'd first try the classic Dali Christ version of the tesseract as the TOL model. I guess I would want to make sure the normal paths appear in the tesseract on the visible layer as seen from our perspective, and that the 'hidden paths' I found out about yesterday (here) also correspond. If doesn't seem to fit, shift around the spheres until it either works or give up.

However, this is all very theoretic. First, I have little knowledge of the theory of the spheres and paths as such, and even less of the supporting structures, symbols, etc.

Second, I would imagine that most people are not feeling these energies purely (everyone has their own filters), so you don not actually start with this model. Boo ! So there's another mystery, where to start, "actually"?

It looks like in order for the information to actually do any good, one must create an experiential basis for each sphere. This seems to me to be quite tricky; it appears almost always possible to induce a desired state if prompted. If this state is imprinted, it becomes the basis. Disregarding that another prompting could easily have produced, a differently nuanced, tangent, reversted, or entirely different and imprinted that.

It also seems necessary that must also find out the "relation" (let us say) between your particular rubric cube state and the Ideal Model state. This appears less tricky, but equally hard. Know thyself, indeed.

Actually if you get this far, it would seem possible to find the steps to right your line in particular (if you have gauged your position accurately), simply by looking at what transforms bring you about to the Ideal Model.

Well, that was fun.

Namaste!

Moonchilde

Hi!

I am quite new to the study of the western hermetic traditions, as well as this board. I have just started on what is the Student Syllabus. I realize my username is quite in line, but by merest chance, as it were.

I look forward to lurking for some time and reading a bunch of the back posts and source documents. I'll keep my questions to myself for the meantime. There's a lot of material everywhere...

I do have one, though. I was reading Hinton's 4th dimension. Or rather, I was reading Magick Without Tears, and it was mentioned, so I read it (no, not every blamed table!). And I was struck that it might be possible to map the hypercube (or hypersphere, in this case) to the Sephiroths. Then, the transformations that Hinton talked about are synonymous with either Initiation (as the vessel for the seed) or exposition of Logos (as the seed into the vessel), which translate one's conscious locus from one sphere to another.

Sooo, you get a topologically contiguous Map, and a set of paths from sphere to sphere in Hinton. As a bonus, since it is mathematical, you also get the nature of the transformations that happen in the other spheres when you do so.

What also struck me was the rotating through the 4th dimension places Da'ath squarely reachable in this configuration, from anywhere. It's no longer pathless, but has paths to everywhere else, just given the proper "rotation" of consciousness.

So my question is do you know if this leads anywhere?

Namaste!

Moonchilde