College of Thelema: Thelemic Education

I really appreciate the pictures AliceKnewIt

Sorry I have not been on a long time.

@Quaestor Lucis said

"93!

I have problem with assumption of the Khephra god-form (Yea, man with the beetle head is really "CREEEEEEEPY", but it is not the case ) I can't understand, how speaks this god? I mean, from what hole?)

Mr. Eshelman, сould you tell, how do you assume this god-form?"

The Picture is a picture.... Assumption is assumption. How you speak is irrelevant. Sometimes I think that my head is the head of the beetle and other times I try to see myself as others would see me as Khephra (the picture). Either way it does not matter as long as it comes from your mouth.

I have been a member since 2010, but come on very little I think that this is

A very nice understanding

@Frater Sabaechi said

"As humans evolve I think we will stop seperating ourselves from the Cosmos. We are each fractals of the whole, we are the Gods, Aliens and Demons of our past."

I will say that I have had a problem with this since a teenager and the problem is still persistent. I have decided to do a personal test to see if I could make it 2 months or even longer. I will say that it has been very hard so far, but I have learned that meditating (humming) AUM creates a vibration in my body that creates some type of enjoyment but very little stimulation and helps me pass till the next test of my sanity. I am not sure that I will make 2 months but the results are good so far.

About 3 weeks and still sane

Note: Your results may vary and may or may not be anything like this.

@Jim Eshelman said

"
@Z O said
"Everyone has their idea about karma, which deals with reincarnation."

Though I subscribe to both doctrines (individually and together), I should point out that karma is not inherently linked to reincarnation. The same inseparability of actions and consequences would exist as natural law even in the absence of any sort of "afterlife" "

This caught my interest jim... Can you give some type of an understanding of this (what is colored and what is underlined above)

I think this reminds me of a quote that goes “Give not that which is holy unto the dogs, neither cast ye your pearls before swine, lest they trample them under their feet, and turn again and rend you.” -Matthew 7:6 en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pearls_before_swine

Sometimes “Silence can be golden” www.phrases.org.uk/meanings/silence-is-golden.html

Some understand the moment of silence as the moment before movement…A lot of people will postulate an idea and then be silent about it before presenting it…. This silence gives them another idea that helps the first idea.

Sometimes one cannot hear the echo unless there is silence.

@Ash said

"

2. If it involves something that is ongoing. I find myself sharing "unfinished" revelations too often - talking about changes and breakthroughs so much that I dilute their importance in my own psyche and lose the original thread. (Too much talking, not enough doing.) It's sort of like yanking a baby from the womb after only a few months - yes, it's there, but it's not done forming yet! "

I sometimes have the same problem.. The problem is, I can never figure out whether it is fully formed and even though I have argued it to myself, once I present it, I will still find it in its infancy.

I think the key is that if you feel like presenting it then present it to someone that is undertaking the same training or has a better understanding (this site is one good place), that way they may be able to point you in a better direction.

I will let you know that I have learned to not share every thought… because you eventually start to sound crazy. Then there are some thoughts that people really don’t want to hear.

Personally I have kept a lot of my thoughts to myself about some subjects because they were way out on the end of the ladder and the ideas were only understood by me (yes I am crazy ) or were not easy to describe…

I don't have that book on hand

A dream I had just the other day, may have tried to tell me the same thing that you said. After breaking it down, I came to the understanding that I am gorging on information and not taking time to allow the subtleties of the small amount of information that I really need to study to sink in. It is like saying that I need to pay attention to the little things, the subtle things.

All through my youth I had to hid things from my parents so I studied when I could and tried to get as much information as I could… Now I do not have to pack all this extra information in. It is like I keep forgetting it, or maybe I may still be fearful that I will not get a chance to learn the information later on...

All I know is that I need to remind myself to study just what I need to study... Very often... And I am often distracted by other things that I feel are more important as if they cannot wait till tomorrow.

Thanks Jim... If I do not have that book, I will most likely purchase it..

The problem is I know have so many books that I do not have time to read and I have been putting off so that they would not hinder my studies... Maybe I should have paid attention to my basic instinct and not have researched other information that may help me advance in the long run but may hinder my present studies.

The Aha was in understanding or seeing an understanding of Daat. Seeing the other paths go though it gave me an AHA because I was able to see something I did not know..

Then I discovered the variance and thought... "WHAT?"

To be truthfull Jim.. I have always been one to push the envelope of my studies... This means that I not only study what I am told to study, but I bits of information that add on to the experience.

Another truth is I did not find this on my own because I have not had much time to do my own studies, due to the fact that I changed shifts. I had a friend send it to me because he knows that I study the Kabballah, but he does not know exactly what I am studying.

It is easier for me to tell him that I study the kabballah then to tell him what I am actually studying (at this point in my life anyway.)

After seeing the new set up, I figured I would seek verification before I tried to add it to my personal knowledge. So far, from what you wrote it would seem that what was written as well as the picture is not correct even though the person wrote that some of the knowledge included information from Crowley (this is how I read the Wiki notes anyway).

I am requesting any information or Ideas about a page I found. When I found it.. I thought AHA.. Espceially when looking at the picture. The only thing is I noticed that the hebrew alphabet was moved around. Any more information would be nice.

en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Da%27at_(Kabbalah)

@Jim Eshelman said

" Something for you to think about..."

I read what you wrote, but now that I am researching this card more, what you wrote seems to make more sense to me. At this point I don't understand why.

I have been reading about Crowley being so intent to get these cards right.

I copied the card and blew it up to 7.5 X 10 so I could see everything that is there.

I seem to notice that on the left knee (on our right) there seems to be a skeleton head and on the right leg the dark area seems to form a body, much like the body of the magus. When you look at the light area on the same leg there appears to be a relationship, much like Nuit and Geb (some say Nut and Geb).

I am wondering if what I am seeing is real or not. It seems that the magus and death may be real, because the cards are supposed to tell a story that leads to the end card so a relationship to the end card may be in their also, but I don’t see it yet.

I am the Hermit and I seem to be chased by the shadow of the dogs of labor, created by my own hand and called which way. For as I separate myself from the delusion of things called want, ***which way ***still beckons me to go lustfully wherever.

I shy away from ***which way ***as I hold my sacred jewel, the sacred light within the jewel lights my way and divides the night ahead of me like it was blades of tall grass and shows me the path to the egg of knowledge which has the snake coiled about it as wisdom coils itself around all knowledge and keeps me distant so that I may not learn all the knowledge at one setting and sometimes because of my fear I may not learn any at all.

My jewel I hold slightly behind me so that all that have seen me pass may see that it has seven sparks of light. Three of the sparks appear to contain or hold a sail that seems to point towards the same direction as the great cross in the middle of the lights.

The cross represents the many paths I can take and the seven sparks the paths within the paths. All of them lead to a certain type of illumination.... only if I had of knew that all led to a certain type of illumination, it would have made it easier for me to say that it does not matter which way I go.

But the darkness makes it hard to see, so I say that I must choose the one that is most right and my delusions of grandeur always show that the path behind me is the best, so I turn not to see what is behind me and just press on.

It is funny that I should look at this site today, like I felt something was there. Then I saw the sword that was close to that of a dream I had when I was in my thirties.. Especially when you turn it upside down.

@Shadoniee said

"So working with this card has not been soothing for me at all. In fact, I've had some very difficult conversations over the past 3 days. I've gotten a chance to see and take responsibility for some messes that I have made. I've gotten to see old friends in a new light, new acquaintances as old friends. I have a new perspective on Karma: I now consider Karma to be a mirror that reflects the consequences of actions back to us. I do not believe in good or bad karma. "

I know I am off subject but I am following this note.. Everyone has their idea about karma, which deals with reincarnation. Since I believe life is about learning then reincarnation is about learning that which has not been learned. Some could see this learning as good or bad karma, but it is still learning, or a chance to learn.

Back to the subject.
The blue thing that the scales seem to be tied to or encircling at the top appears to be an elongated heart. This appears to be attached to the head, where judgment of the heart is always found.

The person does not seem to holding up the blue drapery that goes to the Alpha /Omega, but it appears that the person has come in to take the position that has always been there for the person to take.

The person’s shoulders of blue drapery suggest masculinity, while underneath you see that the person has feminine hands.

The stance appears very masculine but has a feminine twinge that shows that both are there.

The weird thing is this person is not fully inside, when you look down at the feet, they appear to be outside the box as if the person is coming in.. Coming in seems to suggest movement towards something.

If you draw an imaginary line across from the black and white balls of the Alpha/ Omega You notice you have a double cube. You also notice that the hilt of the sword (or whatever you call it) appears to be the bulging eyes of Kephra, the beetle. Yes I know I have a vivid imagination…

If I at least got you to see the double cube, then you will notice the references to as above, so below as a blue orb on top has a black orb on the bottom, but you have an equal number of orbs on the top and the bottom that equal each other out….

@Shadonis said

"
"I think Shadonis words about the lamb are pretty enlightening, but I do not see where the flag fits in."

Waving a white flag during a battle usually means giving up, surrendering to the opposing force. Why I believe it to be fitting for this particular trump is that it is easy for us humans to get so attached to the object of our desire that we often try to impose our will on others to get what we want. And sometimes we face push-back from these people or circumstances. So the lamb, to me, is sort of a reminder that we can get what we want so long as we are willing to recognize that it may take some surrendering."

Don’t forget the self…. All those ego’s and other things that keep the true self or ‘Will” from doing what it wants to do. Even when one person waves the flag, that one is the unison of the whole group….or the chosen one that has been chosen by the others to stand up and give up for all.
There seems to be two pictures which could be seen her again. The visible self which tends to not pay attention to others and self will and the hidden self, which is actually in the light or ‘part of the light’ as I seem to understand it.

Thanks Shodonis for pointing me to this link
I agree with him facing right…

@Jim Eshelman said

"
@Aegis said
"Always in profile in the qabalistic decks.
The traditional "Magical Image" of Kether is a classic Judeo-Christian deity image: a beared male seen in profile, only his right side seen. The interpretation traditionally given for this is, "In Him is all right.""
"

In Christian theology I have also heard a term "I look to the right" or the good. This goes with the understanding that all the righteous will set on the right hand of God.

Right in my dream world is also the future or I look to the future. We on the other hand see the left side of his face…The past (according to my dream world).

This is more of a reminder that our future should be in the rays of the sun and our past left in the darkness.

I notice that the lamb not only has a light around its head but it also is holding or has a little flag resting on its shoulders. In Christian theology the light around the lambs head would seem to represent Christ or Christ Consciousness. I think Shadonis words about the lamb are pretty enlightening, but I do not see where the flag fits in.

@modernP said

"
It seems as though society as a whole and particularly our Christian-influenced Western society with their strong focus on an afterlife have not stopped to look at the present moment (and the future consequences) of human life itself. The Zeitgeist trilogy of documentaries delves quite deeply into the problem and exposes how consumerism with no thought of consequence is embedded in our monetary system, our economics and our incessant need for material objects to fill the void of a deep dissatisfaction with life. "

Talking about our money system... I think you need to watch “Debt based money system" 1-5
www.youtube.com/watch?v=vVkFb26u9g8

You can also view “Money as Debt II Promises Unleashed” 1-8
www.youtube.com/watch?v=_doYllBk5No

I hope this addition to the thread does not detract from it.

I had thought of posting this someplace else, but I feel it belongs here, because the last post created it.

I sit here transfixed as I look at a page.
Was it something I said or something I done?
I am not sure... All I know is I am transfixed
and cannot undo this witchery.

But no witchery has been cast upon you, I say
Except for a simple thought that goes beyond your simple reason

But I thought it before, I say... I am sure I thought it before.
Yes but with not such ease of mind did you think it
Not such ease of mind....

The page still sets there with all the words I wrote
Not witchery, just thoughts, simple, but thoughts

But I thought it before, so why has it eluded me?
Reflections of a different kind I say
Reflections of a different kind

This is much like a person looking in the mirror, but instead of self the person finds ‘the higher self’ or His Angel, guardian and mate for his life. Once he sees the higher self he says with reverence

" 64. Glorious, glorious, glorious art Thou, O my lover supernal, O Self of myself.

65. For I have found Thee alike in the Me and the Thee; there is no difference, O my beautiful, my desirable One! In the One and the Many have I found Thee; yea, I have found Thee. "

The one and the many could be talking about anything... Teachers, people, lives or just parts of the self that make up the whole part of the higher self. It is as if saying ‘I have found thee because thee was part of me all along. I found thee in my helper, I found thee in my maid, I found thee in my lover and I found thee in myself.... Thou has been with me all along oh Adonai.... Thou... has been with me.... all along.
93 93/93

I may be thinking about this toooooo hard. This is more than about the next step. It seems to be about every step, much like the poem of Christ being with the person in the poem “Footprints in the sand”.

There seems to be a double intender here as end is equal to last, and seems to say ‘for thee has been with them from the first and will be with them to the last and will be with them to the end of their desire’.

" 57. How shall I answer the foolish man? In no way shall he come to the Identity of Thee! "

A foolish man really will not want the answer, if given the answer he will betray it because of his misunderstanding.

" 58. But I am the Fool that heedeth not the Play of the Magician. Me doth the Woman of the Mysteries instruct in vain; I have burst the bonds of Love and of Power and of Worship. "

This sounds like I am in the play not heeding what I am to do in the play. Then the woman of mysteries instructs me at each part because I am not heeding, but I do not understand her so I betray her too.

" 59. Therefore is the Eagle made one with the Man, and the gallows of infamy dance with the fruit of the just. "

Therefore the spirit is made one with man as death dances with life and are one.