Powers of the Sphinx
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Do what thou wilt shall be the whole of the Law.
@Jim Eshelman said
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@ThelemicMage said
"45 happens to be the secret number associated with the element of Air."Well, at least of Yetzirah
"Qabalistic research like this and what's been described throughout the trumps seem to indicate that this "swapping" may in fact be deliberate and by design. The Powers of the Sphinx are encountered early on in the system as part of the Grade of Neophyte:
"He shall pass the four tests called the Powers of the Sphinx. (Liber 185)
Examination in The Four Powers of the Sphinx. Practical. Four tests are set. (Liber XIII)To Know, To Will, To Dare, and To Keep Silent: these are the Four Powers of the Sphinx.
As quoted above, the Neophyte is given four distinct practical tests in these Four Powers of the Sphinx. These tests are designed by the Neophyte’s Zelator. Unpublished instructions clarify the basic form of these examinations."
It may very well be that this correspondence issue has to do with passing the tests, working successfully with the elements, and opening to Yetzirah. Regardless, it seems as though the Tarot and Qabalah have much to say on the matter. Perhaps it's another lesson on how everything exists at once in the Four Wolds, and it is up to us to decide what is useful to us as we go along.
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Thanks everyone. The simple answer still eludes me but you've all offered much good food for thought.
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The answer isn't simple.
Or: It's incredibly simple.
One or the other.
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I love you.
Or I hate you.
One or the other.
(translation: I'm fully convinced that you knew that I posted this hoping for a straightforward answer so, I guess... thank you for not giving one.)
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Do what thou wilt shall be the whole of the Law.
Adam (ADM, "humanity") = 45 as well...
Moving forward, I will be falling back on the astrological/Qabalistic attribution of Aquarius being recognized as an Air Sign as the crucial point of reference to designate a Man = Air attribution for the Powers. It's in Liber 777 as such, and the several diagrams of the Pentagram laid out in Liber ABA and Thoth honor this attribution as well.
My editions of Thoth and ABA, with their diagrams of attributions on the Pentagram, never list "Eagle" as the description for Water (upper-right), but only "Water Dragon". Kind of makes sense when you look at how the sign for Scorpio is drawn, and calls to mind the imagery we get from The Hanged Man.
I also think that 45 = ADM = MH (Secret Name of the World of Yetzirah) provides some doctrine for us. Yetzirah does in fact "bear the water" of Briah beause, after all, one has to have opened to Yetzirah and be able to work from it effectively in order to open to Briah. From the perspective of a Neophyte working from Assiah, Yetzirah "contains" Briah in a way, probably much similar to the way Assiah "contains" Yetzirah, if you follow me.
Interestingly, if we again return to how the signs are drawn, we can see how each Zodiac sign chosen for the Powers references the World that succeeds it. For instance, the sign we draw to represent Taurus shows that the bull's horns have a crescent shape, referencing the Moon, and therefore Yetzirah by association. So the symbol for Aquarius clearly tells us that Briah is to follow, Scorpio tells us that the Serpent wisdom lieth in Atzulith, and Leo looks compellingly like a spermatozoon to me.
It is almost as if the symbols themselves urge us to keep moving, to never stagnate in our spiritual progression.
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Do what thou wilt shall be the whole of the Law.
It seems for everything I typed above, I was addressing more astrological-to-elemental correspondences than anything else. I suppose I got a little carried away with the symbolism there with reference to the Four Worlds.
For what it's worth, I'm going with what's set forth in Liber Aleph, as it seems to be the most succient treatment on the Powers. Liber Aleph was also one of the last books that Crowley ever wrote, being written much later in his life, so I think he'd have it sorted out by then, assuming he was having trouble deciding on an attribution and the different attributions aren't in fact mistakes.
Crowley is supposedly Levi reincarnated, so we can take his attributions are improvements/clarifications on Levi's. Meral's attributions line up with Liber Aleph if you take the Eagle out of the equation. She seems to take some liberties on how to represent Scorpio, but I'm giving her a pass on that considering the array of options available.
To address the notes on Col. 38 in 777, the whole column details "Animals, Real and Imaginary", which is a very general context we should keep in mind when reading the notes. When he mentions an Eagle for the Air element, it's just that: an animal you can use to represent Air. He doesn't say "Eagle or Man is the Kerub of Air" in the notes, but just "Man is the Kerub of Air." Context is key.
I'm willing to bet that the Pentagram diagrams in Thoth, ABA, and MWT don't have the Powers listed correctly for the elements, and that it's a publishing/editing error that's been passed down through successive editions without being corrected.
Crowley described Liber Aleph as an "extended and elaborate commentary on The Book of the Law, in the form of a letter from the Master Therion to his magical son." With that kind of authority, I think it's safe to say that the Master Therion got it right.
Even more simply, Taurus implies the ox, the yoke, the work, and thus Will. Lions are repeatedly representational of courage, bravery, etc. in fairy tales and folklore. They're also quite daring hunters.
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Zalthos, thank you very much for taking the time to think through all of these. Reading through the way you're approaching the question has helped very much to clarify some of my own thinking on the matter. However, there are still too many loose ends for me to really feel confident that any one of these is, in fact, the correct attribution. Not a critique of your reasoning, though. More a critique of the lack of definite answers from the revealers of the mysteries which is what edges me more and more towards my feeling that there are either blinds or unacknowledged errors somewhere in the mess.
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Though not published until after his death, Liber Aleph was actually composed in 1918 and thus pre-dates MWT and Thoth.
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There does seem to be a pretty easy distinction to make between the common sense attribution of Eagle to Air vs. the traditional attribution of Eagle/Serpent/Scorpion to Water. However, this seems to use the same common sense type reasoning that might question why the Water Bearer is the fixed Air sign so I don't find it convincing enough on its own (this also seems to be the confusion behind Levi's misattribution of Aquarius/Water, Scorpio/Air). This is further complicated by Crowley's retention of the Eagle/Serpent/Scorpion imagery in his Death/Scorpio card while, in the same deck, he reorders the heads of the Kerubs in Atus 5, 7, and 21 to suggest Eagle/Air, Man/Water.
@Zalthos said
"Crowley described Liber Aleph as an "extended and elaborate commentary on The Book of the Law, in the form of a letter from the Master Therion to his magical son." With that kind of authority, I think it's safe to say that the Master Therion got it right."
Except The Master Therion wrote The Book of Thoth as well and there are several blatant errors in that book.
@Zalthos said
"Even more simply, Taurus implies the ox, the yoke, the work, and thus Will. Lions are repeatedly representational of courage, bravery, etc. in fairy tales and folklore. They're also quite daring hunters."
This is exactly the type of reasoning that started me spinning the wheel in the first place. Ox, yoke, work, Will... sure. But also: Water signifies the unyielding force that wears down even the hardest rock: the unflinching, unwavering Will. Air signifies the endlessly changing and adjusting breath that can Will itself through even the tiniest crack. And Will, at its core, flows from the fount of Chokmah, the head of the pillar of Fire.
Daring applies equally well to a fairy tale lion, a knight in shining armor, an eagle diving into the waves to pluck out a single fish, or a bull charging his challenger for the honor of his mate.
Once I discovered that I could make any permutation work (and work well, for that matter) I realized that it would only really be an effective tool if there was a specific permutation that was correct for the underlying meaning that the symbolism is intended to convey. And that's when I discovered that there were several permutations that have been suggested to be correct.
For me personally, the MWT/Thoth attributions intuitively feel most correct, but I'm not convinced that that isn't just because I've been steeped in the traditional attributions for so long. The feeling isn't deep or convincing and the switch of Eagle and Man that occurs in all three sets of kerubs/sphinxes on the Thoth Atus forces me to consider that, near the end of his life, Crowley either realized or chose to reveal a secret that had, up until that point, been hidden behind a blind, but didn't get the chance to fully explain it in writing.
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Do what thou wilt shall be the whole of the Law.
@Gnosomai Emauton said
"1. Though not published until after his death, Liber Aleph was actually composed in 1918 and thus pre-dates MWT and Thoth."
Admittingly, I was recollecting that information from memory. Thank you for correcting me.
I'm glad we've at least had a fruitful exchange about this. Its been fun volleying perspectives back and forth. After reading your most recent post on the thread, I'm certainly not as sure as I was (which wasn't very sure, actually) when I wrote that post last night, so thanks again for providing further insight into the matter.
I'm not sure if you read this post by Jim on another recent thread about the powers, but I found it revealing (emphasis mine):
@Jim Eshelman said
"I know five different attribution sets of these by Crowley, in different times, different contexts, etc. I'm disinclined to give an opinion (though I have one <g>) because (1)** at a couple of key points in formal examinations the aspirant needs to struggle with this exact issue and produce an answer**, and (2) my mere opinion certainly isn't important enough to overwhelm the significant advantage of not screwing with these exams. - Source"
I suppose all of our answers lie with Liber Pyramidos and our respective Zelators, wherever and whoever they may be. Best of luck to you on your quest for knowledge, Gnosomai Emauton. Cheers.
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Thanks for the link to that previous thread. I was actually in on that discussion and forgot about that aspect of it.
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@Jim Eshelman said
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@ThelemicMage said
"45 happens to be the secret number associated with the element of Air."Well, at least of Yetzirah
"Does this mean the other secret elemental number attributions, (52, 63, 72,) are also Yetziric attributions?
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@ThelemicMage said
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@Jim Eshelman said
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@ThelemicMage said
"45 happens to be the secret number associated with the element of Air."Well, at least of Yetzirah
"Does this mean the other secret elemental number attributions, (52, 63, 72,) are also Yetziric attributions?"
No. They aren't numbers of the elements at all, but rather of the four worlds. 52 is the value of the "secret name" of Assiyah, 45 of Y'tziyrah, 63 of B'riyah, and 72 of Atziylooth.
These have analogies back to the elements or (more specifically) to the letters of Tetragrammaton. But they are not (for example) attributes of the elements themselves, especially not in the sense that the elements exist on one plane.
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Here is the origin of those numbers.
Tetragrammaton is Yod Hé Vav Hé, but those four letters (by a Rabbinical tradition) are spelled differently in each of the four worlds. Yod is spelled YVD in all four worlds. Hé is spelled HY in the first two worlds, HA in the third, and HH in the fourth. Vav is spelled VYV in the first, VAV in the next two, and VV in the third. When you use these different values to "spell Tetragrammaton" in full, you get different values.
For example, in Y'tziyrah, the name is spelled YVD HA VAV HA. These letters add to 45. For the four worlds (from top to bottom) the values are, thus, 72, 63, 45, and 52.
From these numbers are created synthetic words that are really the writing of the numbers in Hebrew letters. These are the "secret names" of each of the four worlds:
Atziylooth: 72 = OB
B’riyah: 63 = SG
Y’tziyrah: 45 = MH
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Neat! Thank for the info.
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This is very interesting. Thank you, Jim. I cannot believe I have not thoroughly researched this set of principles.
Some things that were a bit shaded to me are now making sense in a newly charged light.
Hail Eris!
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@Gnosomai Emauton said
"However, on the Tarot images of the Hierophant and Universe, he has flipped the Man and Eagle so that, read counter-clockwise from lower right, the Man is now He-Water and the Eagle is now Vau-Air. This seems to match Meral's attributions where the Eagle has been dropped entirely from Water and replaced by Dragon/Woman, but I'm coming up short on a source as to when or why Crowley made that switch."
In Daniel Gunther's new book (The Angel and the Abyss) he claims the Cherumbim and their position on the two Tarot cards (V & XXI) represent a N.O.X. formula that differs from the traditional scheme. Also the pentagrammaton formed thereby is balanced by the letter Lamed and not Shin making it's numerical value 56.
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Hmmm.... I haven't even thought about trying to deal with N.O.X. formulae at this point so, if that turns out to be true, I guess I can just set aside my Thoth switch concerns for a couple of years at least.
In related news, if I can claim any magical power at this point in my development, it would seem to be the ability to synchronistically find the answer to every question I ask in whatever it is I currently happen to be reading. This one didn't disappoint.
From The Foundations of High Magick by Melita Denning and Osbourne Phillips:
"The student should learn the various arrangements [of the kerubim] without confusing them, and without a premature bias to one or the other. This is important in magical learning. One's personal system, when established, should be based upon adequate knowledge. The subconscious is the dragon guarding many treasures to which it will give us access if we have the patience to teach it a sign-language it can understand, and then to address it in that language, but our dealings with it must be characterized by unbroken habit and absolute certainty. When once the code of communication is established, it should not be upset by experimentation with different systems, nor by "improvements" due to discovering that the letters TETRAGRAMMATON do not spell an actual name of God, or so forth. The time to learn these things and to make sure of them, is in one's student days before the code and the habit are established. Decisions are then made with a view to establishing contact with a mental sphere which should be powerful, lofty, and widely-connected, but not so nearly universal as to be featureless. When once the decisions have been made, however, they must be maintained; hence the well-known warning against changing the "barbarous names of evocation.""
It appears that, in their estimation at least, there are multiple possible attributions and it is up to the student to learn them all, feel them out, and then decide which one fits in best with her own path... and then stick with it once the real work begins.
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The shifts in those cards is a red herring. The elemental attributions are based on a fundamental ignorance of the origins of those symbols going back to very ancient Babylonia, distorted through Medieval Christianity. (Crowley's ignorance is understandable, since the old boundary stones part hadn't been squarely addressed by archaeologists at that point in time.)
And no, I don't have time to go into this in detail
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@Jim Eshelman said
"And no, I don't have time to go into this in detail
"Understood. Could you at least specify which boundary stones you're referencing so that I can start my own research? I'm guessing you're not referring to Terminus here.
Pretty please?
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The Babylonians bounded their fields with stones on which were painted, among other things, astronomical data.