Liber AL vel Legis and the Illuminati Cipher
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Just a quick note.
In the first post in this topic, I wrote (concerning the verse of AL where the "order & value" of the English Alphabet is mentioned):
@Harpokrates said
"There is a peculiar order for the letters in the Cipher, according to their value, and also a set of symbols that correspond to the alphabet."
You can see those symbols here:
(click to enlarge)
Remember that the numerical cipher was shown in the first post, so now you have both ciphers presented here.
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"AL II:75,76
– "Aye! listen to the numbers & the words:"
– "4 6 3 8 A B K 2 4 A L G M O R 3 Y X 24 89 R P S T O V A L. What meaneth this, o prophet? Thou knowest not; nor shalt thou know ever. There cometh one to follow thee: he shall expound it. But remember, o chosen one, to be me; to follow the love of Nu in the star-lit heaven; to look forth upon men, to tell them this glad word."I've tried to get any kind of clue to solve this riddle by using the Illuminati Cipher but, unfortunately, the result has been completely unsatisfactory. Anyway, if you add the values of the numbers and the words you'll get 383, which is the 76th prime number (the number of the verse in which the riddle appears). Also, half 76 is 38, which resembles the total of the riddle, 383. This is all I've got so far, but I doubt it has any "practical" meaning at all."
According to this magician, that is a cipher:
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@nderabloodredsky said
"According to this magician, that is a cipher:
www.youtube.com/watch?v=5jZVPEC2N7U"
Yes, I've read something about that cipher, concerning David Hulse's answer to AL II:76 and Wizardiaoan's own reformulation of Hulse's solution. It is indeed a very simple way to answer the riddle, but I doubt if the "SATOR Square" bit does indeed "mean" anything in the context of Thelema and the Aeon of Horus. After all, the Mars (Geburah/Horus) Square is not the SATOR square but a magical square – filled with numbers from 1 to 25, not letters.
On a personal level, I would attribute the Sator Square to Saturn, since SATOR is a latin word meaning "Sower" and the etymological root of SATURNUS (Saturn, ancient god of sow and harvest, later to be considered a personification of the all-devouring Time, and later yet, of Death itself). This is the origin of the "Grim Reaper" figure, as well.
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@Harpokrates said
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@nderabloodredsky said
"According to this magician, that is a cipher:www.youtube.com/watch?v=5jZVPEC2N7U"
Yes, I've read something about that cipher, concerning David Hulse's answer to AL II:76 and Wizardiaoan's own reformulation of Hulse's solution. It is indeed a very simple way to answer the riddle, but I doubt if the "SATOR Square" bit does indeed "mean" anything in the context of Thelema and the Aeon of Horus. After all, the Mars (Geburah/Horus) Square is not the SATOR square but a magical square – filled with numbers from 1 to 25, not letters.
On a personal level, I would attribute the Sator Square to Saturn, since SATOR is a latin word meaning "Sower" and the etymological root of SATURNUS (Saturn, ancient god of sow and harvest, later to be considered a personification of the all-devouring Time, and later yet, of Death itself). This is the origin of the "Grim Reaper" figure, as well."
O.K.
Still studying your previous posts.
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Hello!
I've been watching the symbol of Temple of Thelema in Facebook, and found something that you may find curious.
This is the symbol I'm talking about:
http://profile.ak.fbcdn.net/object2/1506/66/s160264768172_9650.jpg
In this image there is the radiating All-Seeing Eye above the number 56, and below that there is an image of Kheper – the egyptian symbol of the morning rising Sun as a winged Scarab – holding a Circled Dot, a traditional symbol for the Sun. Also, below the scarab Kheper there is the traditional number 93.
According to the alpha-numeric code of the Illuminati:
-> 56 = Kheper = Solis
("Solis" is latin for "of the Sun")-> 93 = Circle+Dot = Pineal Eye = Third Eye
All the elements in the image are encoded by the numbers it shows!
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http://profile.ak.fbcdn.net/object2/1506/66/s160264768172_9650.jpg
93/696
Does anyone know how old this symbol is? The reason I ask is my grandmother had a portrait of something similar, without the number, and color. Her great grandfather was up in the Masons in Indiana. -
You'll find it here: www.thelema.org
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@Frater Sabaechi said
"http://profile.ak.fbcdn.net/object2/1506/66/s160264768172_9650.jpg
93/696
Does anyone know how old this symbol is? The reason I ask is my grandmother had a portrait of something similar, without the number, and color. Her great grandfather was up in the Masons in Indiana."It was Phyllis Seckler's personal lamen. It is no older than 1952, and probably closer to the early 1970s. I don't believe it was ever shown in the public until 1973.
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93,
Just watched the video on the Sator cypher. While I'm sure he found a way to mix the two, it just don't seem right. I'm not all that knowledgeable on the technicals, but it just has a wrong feel to it. How many people think they've discovered the meaning to this cypher? Lol. No offense there, but all these folks think that they got it down. Am I incorrect in my understanding that there is one to come after Crowley, foretold in Liber AL, to reveal this stuff? That was just the gist that I got, and I don't think any of these would-be prophets have filled those shoes yet....
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Harpokrates ... That Sigil of the A.'.A.'. that you posted has a typo.
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Yeah, but he added in the forgotten "I" (the typo) in his calculations.
FWIW over four years later... lol
But I'd say continue to be very careful and watch out for this version of the seal.
It's very dangerous in that it could lead to inconsolable tattoo-regret.