Some LBRP questions
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Hi , I have a few LBRP questions...1. I have been saying Ararita when i finish the qabalistic cross . I do not really like using amen, it reminds me too much of church and Christianity. I am fine with om but I
like using Ararita . I have not felt drawn to using Crowleys HGA name, but I have not even read any of Crowleys books yet so perhaps that is why .Although I have used Abrahadabra a few times. Just wondering if it is out of context or something to be saying Ararita in that particular ritual?2.Before doing the LIRP is it necessary to do a LBRP first? .
- Can I use the Thelema version of the qabalistic cross in conjunction with the original LBRP or is it necessary to learn the Thelema LBRP at the same time? .
Thanks for being open to newbies like me .
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@raven27 said
"Hi , I have a few LBRP questions...1. I have been saying Ararita when i finish the qabalistic cross . I do not really like using amen, it reminds me too much of church and Christianity. I am fine with om but I
like using Ararita ."ARARIThA has a different meaning and different purpose. I'm not going to tell you what to do in your own personal work, but you seem to have raised this for comment. My view is that it doesn't belong in this ritual.
You may or may not know that the Qabbalistic Cross with AMN has a numeric value (gematria) that discloses a lot about the ritual - it makes the Qab Cross a formula expressly declaring how certain personal energies are tapped. You may choose to ignore this, of course. If you do what to consider using AMN, though, you might consider that magicians don't generally pronounce it the same way as in conventional church services. It is pronounced in three distinct syllables, much as if you were going to say Aum, i.e., Ah-oh-men. You might also want to consider that AMN is a Divine Name of Kether, and has very significant numeric properties both as 91 and 741.
FWIW.
"I have not felt drawn to using Crowleys HGA name"
Aiwass isn't there as Crowley's HGA, but as the source of The Book of the Law and a formula that declares both 93 and 418 at the same time.
"2.Before doing the LIRP is it necessary to do a LBRP first?"
Generally, unless you are working in a space that is set aside for magick work and not used for anything else. That is, if you have consecrated a temple, and used it only for sacred works, it is already banished.
"Can I use the Thelema version of the qabalistic cross in conjunction with the original LBRP or is it necessary to learn the Thelema LBRP at the same time?"
I have no idea what you mean by "the Thelema version of the qabalistic cross." I'm guessing this is something you found on the Web that someone posted under that name? (Just guessing.) No such thing recognizable by that name from Crowley's work.
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Hey Jim, thanks you for responding so quickly and I appreciate that you took the time to go into detail. I am only very recently learning about Gematria and how it fits into all of this and I find it very intriguing. I am actually glad to learn that amen has a significant value, and that it is a name Kether. I will most likely experiement with it now . I was not sure exactly how to intonate it, thank you for clarifying.
"I have not felt drawn to using Crowleys HGA name"
"Aiwass isn't there as Crowley's HGA, but as the source of The Book of the Law and a formula that declares both 93 and 418 at the same time.
"Oh okay, I expect I will feel more comfortable with it now, and as I learn more about Gematria.
"2.Before doing the LIRP is it necessary to do a LBRP first?"
"Generally, unless you are working in a space that is set aside for magick work and not used for anything else. That is, if you have consecrated a temple, and used it only for sacred works, it is already banished."
Okay I do not have a particulat ritual space consecrated yet. I use my room and the garage. I read on this forum that a LBRP lasts for 24 hours. If this is correct, does that mean that If I did a LBRP in the morning in a particular room, can I then do the LIRP at night in that same room without having to do the LBRP first?
"Can I use the Thelema version of the qot qabalistic cross in conjunction with the original LBRP or is it necessary to learn the Thelema LBRP at the same time?"
"I have no idea what you mean by "the Thelema version of the qabalistic cross." I'm guessing this is something you found on the Web that someone posted under that name? (Just guessing.) No such thing recognizable by that name from Crowley's work."
Ah , yes I was on youtube and came across this www.youtube.com/watch?v=TcXs5wFTMBw As I went back to look at it I realized it was not the qabbalistic cross, but it was the middle pillar. My bad. Now i have another question
. First of all is there a Thelemic middle pillar ? And if so , then same question as before, is it okay to do it after the regular LBRP?Thanks for calrifying about ARARITA. What about using ABRAHADABRA in the qabbalistic cross, does it fit ?
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"You might also want to consider that AMN is a Divine Name of Kether, and has very significant numeric properties both as 91 and 741."
FWIW, let me spell that out a little bit for you. AMN is 91. This is both 7x13 (two very significant numbers and, among other things, two numbers connected to love and unity), and the sum of the first 13 numbers - the "extension" of 13. So it's a powerful statement of the number 13. It is also connected to will, because it's most typical meaning is a confirmation, e.g., it essentially means, "So may it be!" It is also a name or attribute of Kether. And it is a blending of the first two Divine Names in the pentagram ritual, YHVH + ADNI = 26 + 65 = 91. (In fact, AMN is so similar in Qabbalistic import to Eheyeh, that one could say this 26 + 65 is the way that the first two names lead to the third... but that's going out on a springy limb a bit.)
741 is of great importance as an equilibration of the elements in a higher formula. The three Mother Letters (A, M, Sh) total to 341; and Tav, 400, is routinely treated as a part-time elemental letter for Earth. Thus, the four elements are 341 + 400 = 741 (i.e., AMN valued with a Nun-final). There is more to 741 when you start unraveling it.
"I read on this forum that a LBRP lasts for 24 hours. If this is correct, does that mean that If I did a LBRP in the morning in a particular room, can I then do the LIRP at night in that same room without having to do st/the LBRP first?"
At least in some tests that have been done (dowsing tests with an able dowser to test whether a particular artifact stayed neutralized, and how long) the pentagram itself has shown effects that lasted almost exactly 24 hours. Experience suggests that the ritual is about the same. Yes, if you've prepared a room early in the day and not used it for any other significant activity, it should still be perfectly fine. Use your instincts to test whether you need another banishing! <g>
"First of all is there a Thelemic middle pillar?"
Yes.
"And if so , then same question as before, is it okay to do it after the regular LBRP?"
Yes. Except... let me explain my "yes." (1) There is a distinctly, pointedly Thelemic one, but it isn't published or available in general. (2) Yes, it's totally compatible with the LRP. (3) The standard Middle Pillar is in no sense non-Thelemic, and comes highly recommended.
"What about using ABRAHADABRA in the qabbalistic cross, does it fit ?"
One would have to say... why? To what end? (And where? Etc.)
Do you mean at the heart center? Abrahadabra means the completion of the Great Work, so (since you asked an opinion question) it seems not to be representative. And really, if just don't want to say "Aiwass" that badly, skip the whole step - That step was never in the Qab Cross until Crowley added it with the instruction you don't want to follow. Just do Malkuth at the heart center (but with the same visualization), just like the original (non-Crowley) QC instructions.
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@Takamba said
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@raven27 said
"I do not really like using amen, it reminds me too much of church and Christianity."Sounds like a demon worth exorcising. [just my opinion]"
Yeah that was probably just my ego making up stories and something that can be dissolved from attachment to any particular belief of what it means to me i guess. I am interested in the gnostic teachings within Christianity.
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Classic Gnosticism can get tedious fast - starts sounding like Hunger Games on Xbox <g>.
Real Gnosticism is essentially about the K&C of the HGA.
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"What about using ABRAHADABRA in the qabbalistic cross, does it fit ?"One would have to say... why? To what end? (And where? Etc.)
Do you mean at the heart center? Abrahadabra means the completion of the Great Work, so (since you asked an opinion question) it seems not to be representative. And really, if just don't want to say "Aiwass" that badly, skip the whole step - That step was never in the Qab Cross until Crowley added it with the instruction you don't want to follow. Just do Malkuth at the heart center (but with the same visualization), just like the original (non-Crowley) QC instructions."
Yeah I think It will be important to be more in touch with my intuition so that I do not over do and over think everything. Thank you for explaining more about AMN and the Thelemic qab cross