Crowley and sex magick
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@dr. ski wampas said
"Just what is sex magic? What is it used for, what are its practical applications?"
"Sounds like you are trying to pull a rabbit from your girlfriends twat."
Actually, it's usually my boyfriend's ass. When engaging with a bearded clam, I prefer not to attach myself to them in any emotional way. It throws off the energies.
"Can we accomplish our goals without it?"
Probably. If you are capable of accomplishing goals, this is just one tool among many for doing so.
"Crowley once did sex magic to try and get 10,000 dollars. It never materialized. Well I've made 10s of thousands in my lifetime and I never had to eat (****), or menstrual blood like he did. Look how well that worked out for him. Better keep your day job."
Well smell you, Nancy Drew. Then again, Crowley is an internationally recognized historical figure and you are a petty bitter internet troll so... enjoy your 10s of thousands for what they're worth. And, by all means, continue living in fear of eating (****) and menstrual blood. Those no-no bits really are just caverns of hell, aren't they?
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Really? I can find hardly anybody who really knows who he is (besides the freaks who worship him.). It's only after lengthy explanation that someone will usually go "ohhhh... that guy?? Well wasn't he a crazy drug addict?" and that is even if they know who I am talking about at all. As far as I can tell he is internationally recognized as 'that guy on the sgt. pepper's cover".
And who would be afraid to eat shit? It just doesn't sound all that pleasant of a thing to do, now does it? Certainly not very appetizing. Contrary to your statement I would just add that it doesn't sound so much like a tool, but rather like something someone might d when they are desperate nd can think of no other we to their goals.
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93,
"Well wasn't he a crazy drug addict?" and that is even if they know who I am talking about at all. As far as I can tell he is internationally recognized as 'that guy on the sgt. pepper's cover"."
Actually I had a conversation with an atheist like yourself who was also intrested in the occult about Crowley. He is old enough to have been to see Crowley speak, albeit he was 15 at the time. He told me the British public respected him and his opinions, that when he went on the radio and was interviewed he did not care about telling the truth about concepts which were often swept under the mat.
He told me despite what the papers said, the public actually spoke highly of him, at least where he was from. More recently, there was this-
en.wikipedia.org/wiki/100_Greatest_Britons#Entirety_of_the_Li
Yes, people just believe he is the guy from sgt pepper's cover. That was way before my time. Many people take drugs, so what? Are you trying to make it sound like he was a bad guy- if so, do so for actual bad reasons, not just what he did behind closed doors.
"And who would be afraid to eat (****)? It just doesn't sound all that pleasant of a thing to do, now does it?"
Crowley is not the only person who dis that. Whilst it is one of the rarer ones, a few people, even those who have never heard of Crowley, have the fetish. Not my cup of tea, but again, what people get up to in their own homes is none of my business.
Does sex magick work? Try it and find out for yourself. You might even have some fun whilst doing it, and perhaps release some irritation- which it sounds like you need to.
Release some venom elsewhere.......
93, 93/93.
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@mark0987 said
"Yes, people just believe he is the guy from sgt pepper's cover. That was way before my time. Many people take drugs, so what? Are you trying to make it sound like he was a bad guy- if so, do so for actual bad reasons, not just what he did behind closed doors."
There are plenty of actual good reasons. He was an abusive spouse, and lover. A horrible father, a cheat and swindle and a pompous self indulgent ass. I don't judge him for the drugs, I judge him for all the horrible things he did and said. I just understand drugs play a role in that. I used to love them when I was young, but I wouldn't trust someone I knew was on a hallucinogen to report to me accurately about a non augmented reality.
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Does sex magick work? Try it and find out for yourself. You might even have some fun whilst doing it, and perhaps release some irritation- which it sounds like you need to."
Been there done that. Boring.
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@dr. ski wampas said
"Really? I can find hardly anybody who really knows who he is (besides the freaks who worship him.). It's only after lengthy explanation that someone will usually go "ohhhh... that guy?? Well wasn't he a crazy drug addict?" and that is even if they know who I am talking about at all. As far as I can tell he is internationally recognized as 'that guy on the sgt. pepper's cover"."
All i can say is, you need to get out more. Your view of the world is severely limited. Take a step outside and open your blinders.
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But... I love eating pussy.
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See, that's what's wrong with you people... How many black cats do we have to lose to your sadistic carnivorous ways before we finally wise up to the dangers of witchcraft? ::)
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No doubt. But who honestly believes that eating pussy can bestow magical powers, or grant wishes? Unless I am mistaken that is wharvcrwley thought. I don't mind what peoe a into, but call it what it is. A kink, a fetish. Certainly There is no evidence it makes you enlightened or grants super natural powers to one.
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If U don't get try magick of eating pushy, you don't get it.
What I can say.
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Oh my, this is a saucy thread.
Yes, wampass, Crowley was an asshole and a freak. Fair enough. But so what? You don't judge a man's accomplishment solely by how he treated his wife, or kids, or met up with social norms, or we'd be knocking all sorts of noble heroes off their blocks and replacing them with able householders. Yawn. Technically, that kind of "I don't care what he said because he's a prick" argument is called argumentum ad hominem. Do what thou wilt, but it tends to be a path toward definitely missing the point.
You might contend Crowley never got some particular $10,000, but the broader reason for him wanting $10,000 seems from his latter writings to have been, consistently, to advance the Law of Thelema and the Word of the New Aeon. If you read his published diaries, for example, from 1914 or so, there's no doubt that he took this sex magick stuff seriously, and although he had particular "operations" for specific goals, he was more broadly interested in and committed to promulgation of the Book of the Law and all that flows from it.
Sure, the sex magick was fun, no doubt, and maybe he was a bit obsessive about it, but that fun had a distinct purpose. Which is, in my view, a fine way to live. And while the exact amount of cash may not have arrived in the instance you reference (there are other instances in which the desired result of his operations did almost miraculously did appear out of nowhere), he wasn't doing this stuff with a "lust of result." In the end, I think you judge this guy by the fact that he basically founded a religion (or worldview or philosophy). We are continuing to practice and study his Thelema to this day, and his magical order A.'.A.'. remains extant, doing important work on several planes. Those are truly significant, world shaking accomplishments, and undeniable successes.
Who is to say that Crowly's energized sexual practices didn't pay some part in shaping the outcome. He has, no doubt, cause change to occur in conformity with his Will, on a level few people ever realize.
Plus, I think it fair to say that some of the, um, distasteful practices Crowley engaged in were performed explicitly because they were distasteful, because Crowley believed in unifying opposites. You can't do that, and you really can't be great at anything, I think, if you concern yourself overmuch with remaining within the realm of what is considered socially acceptable.
