Solo Tantra
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I now recall it was the BOok of Revelations that I think Jim said was the Tantra manual, not Al as iz said. Ha, so JOhn the Divine was tugging on his flesh-toadstool az a route to God eh?
Actually Dave Shoemaker states that AC has a few things to say about various phrases in AL az tantra instructions. In the new comment.
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@Takamba said
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@gerry456 said
"https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tJLFMdXYcVgWell, here's a youtube clip. Could you see yourself getting into this?"
It had a nice rhythm and was easy to dance to. I give it a 3."
What? Out of 10? I meant could you see yourself joining in.
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@gerry456 said
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@Takamba said
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@gerry456 said
"https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tJLFMdXYcVgWell, here's a youtube clip. Could you see yourself getting into this?"
It had a nice rhythm and was easy to dance to. I give it a 3."
What? Out of 10? I meant could you see yourself joining in."
There is no reason I'd say no. That was only a token ceremony of what I'm sure involved a larger gathering of tables and workshops. Wouldn't be much of a "festival" if it were only one tent's rhythmic instructions. But I see no reason that I'd make an effort to go to it either. It would have to be like that pagan festival I attended in the 90s, or the Rainbow National Gathering I attended in the late 80s, or the OrCon game convention I attended in the early 80s; I'd have to stumble upon it and say "why the hell not? Something to enjoy."
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@Takamba said
"For one thing, of course, tantra isn't only about the sexual practices. Tantra itself is the confrontation or resolutions of opposites. Love an ugly woman until she is beautiful to you, love a beautiful woman until she is ugly to you. Then you begin to see the solutions to your personality constructs. Then you see that all is illusion and you are the master."
I had a (spiritual) experience recently, due to my Tantic work, where I saw society's standards of beauty and attractiveness as bullsh1t.
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@gerry456 said
"There's a lot of talk, within the tantric community of never ejaculating i.e. that's bad.
To ejaculate or not to ejaculate?
- Let there be no difference made among you between any one thing & any other thing; for thereby there cometh hurt*"
To refresh your memory, nothing (but the sin of restriction) is bad. Now this here may confuse you because the idea of restricting "ejaculation" sounds bad, but lo, in some cases it is not bad. Yoga is restriction. Yet it is not a sin. The yoga of ejaculation is not about "good" or "bad," but intent.
I stop there.
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@gurugeorge said
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All I'd say is be careful about using "tantra" as an excuse for self-indulgence, particularly masturbatory self-indulgence. How good is your simple seated concentration meditation? Unless it's pretty good, you might be fooling yourself............................................Masturbation (again, unless your concentration is *very *good) may only entangle you more deeply in your fear of the Other, and habitual masturbation could mire you even deeper. ...........), and still likely to lead to self-indulgence in other areas, and an inability to see and feel others as they really are."
On reviewing this George I think these are great points you bring up. Basically the problem you identified is the Western malaise. Lots of westerners associate "tantra" with "lasting long during sex" and that's it. When I hear the word "tantra" I think "Buddhist yoga".
Today I used the internet to watch some gay porn and then I watched a preying mantis attack and eat a cockroach on youtube. I vowed to control any flinching or physical writhing disgust-reaction within myself . This aversion- confrontation is the YIN aspect to the YANG aspect of "tantra" or "Buddhist yoga" and one without the other causes unbalance. The YANG aspect is sexual stimulation whilst controlling habitual animal-ejaculation. This balance allows us to avoid the pits of, as you call it, "self-indulgence". Asana and the other yoga practices are similarly confronting aversion as the body does not want to just sit still (which is discomforting).
All teenagers must go through this when they leave school and have to find a job. Noone wants to work in a job or have other adult responsibilities and have to answer to a boss but it does build character.