Skip to content

College of Thelema: Thelemic Education

  • 0 Votes
    2 Posts
    17 Views
    H
    Exercise 4 is so important right now in our society where we are all tapped into the hive mind with greater intensity. I imagine in the past, with smaller communities and limited information sources, we experienced a similar funneling of perception dependent on our environment as we do today. But now, we are connected on a much larger scale, all the time, and the content we are seeing and reacting to influences entire nations of people. This book seems to be teaching critical thinking applied to the instrument that uses critical thinking! It goes one step beyond, and I think it is so important to teach this kind of meta-consciousness of our own perception to younger generations raised in AI.
  • 3 Votes
    7 Posts
    281 Views
    H
    Do Wednesday or Thursday evenings work?
  • 0 Votes
    6 Posts
    121 Views
    H
    @jjones for real! There is a difference between "sex" and "gender" but these can overlap. Sex is the biological difference between what we have named "male" and "female" which reduces plainly down to who has the smaller sex cell vs. the larger sex cell. There is a lot of variation between these two classifications, though, when considering physical sex organs, hormones, genes, and so on. "Gender" is the cultural interpretation of sex which is more malleable and dependent on , well, culture. Those who are perceived culturally "male" might actually have some physical characteristics of females such as a higher production of estrogen or even ovaries. Our culture puts a lot of emphasis on the outward expressions of sex (penis vs. vagina) but these are only outward, there are other internal markers that are harder to detect.
  • 0 Votes
    4 Posts
    54 Views
    J
    @Hannah Well put! "29. For I am divided for love's sake, for the chance of union. 30. This is the creation of the world, that the pain of division is as nothing, and the joy of dissolution all."
  • 0 Votes
    1 Posts
    8 Views
    No one has replied
  • 93

    Introduce Yourself
    2
    0 Votes
    2 Posts
    79 Views
    H
    Great to meet you, Will! 93s!
  • 0 Votes
    9 Posts
    207 Views
    J
    @Hannah hahaha I got a little excited! I've been known to send walls of text towards people
  • Serious mental health issues and Thelema

    General Discussion magick thelema
    2
    0 Votes
    2 Posts
    75 Views
    augurA
    Magick, done intentionally and slowly, will unearth the root causes of mental health challenges, train the nervous system to be a mechanism of expression, and reveal purpose. That being said, those ordeals are not easy and should not be minimized. Daily practice, personal accountability, and consistency build resilience over time. I also recommend a good trans-personal psychologist.
  • The Book of the Law Liber Al Vel Legis

    Thelema
    7
    0 Votes
    7 Posts
    678 Views
    A
    That is great. Will you be announcing it's availability on your Facebook page when they are available (which I follow) That way I will purchase it right away.
  • 0 Votes
    3 Posts
    107 Views
    J
    @zeph I love how deeply you're pondering this chapter. I'd like to provide my own interpretation of what RAW was saying about the linguistic attributes of describing an experience scientifically/objectively, how often it relies on Aristotelian logic, and the hang ups you mentioned in your response. I do not think that your ideas were in conflict with RAW at all, and instead illustrate that you have done precisely the work he is describing. To give you context, I read this chapter and took away three things from it. First, that language is abused when people try to make statements about how things are for everyone when we can only know how things are for ourselves. Second, that any measurement of reality only seems to be true relative to the instrument measuring reality (including all of the strengths and weaknesses of the instrument and the units it measures in). Third, most of the statements we make about something using the verb "to be" (most commonly seen in the form of "is"), inherently imply a true/false dichotomy and fails to acknowledge that there are further states of indeterminism. I found it interesting that you brought up feeling as if this meant RAW doesn't want us to ask questions we can't adequately use language to describe. I had not thought that far past what he was saying, and instead believed that he was emphasizing the idea of relativism. Naturally, to an initiate of Thelema, relativism might seem like a given, but to someone who has not initiated, this might seem novel. RAW's background, as you may already know, was in Catholicism. In other books, he describes Catholicism as the philosophy of Thomas Aquinas. Aquinas relied heavily on Aristotle to justify and fill out Christian doctrine. Aristotle, and by extension Aristotelian logic, relies heavily on "True/False" dichotomies. It does not even consider the idea of a third, or synthesis of the two terms, much less a fourth, indeterminate/unknown term. Jung has also written about how Christian doctrine largely encourages this kind of thinking, hence his emphasis on the "Union of Opposites." Of course, to someone who is initiated, this third, synthetic term is not entirely new. Needless to say, in my own experiences in life, most of my encounters are with people who largely have not pondered the idea of a third term, the opposites seemingly impossible to reconcile in their minds. I imagine that those are the people that RAW is largely trying to address, which leads me to my next point. RAW is emphasizing that language cannot describe a "deep reality" in the Old Aeon sense that what I see and am describing is objectively and ontologically correct for absolutely everyone. I am sure you have heard the old joke, If you want to kill an idea, send it to a committee? Whatever I say about reality is ultimately just describing my own experience about reality. I would be abusing language to assert to you that I somehow know better than you about what your reality is supposedly structured as, no? This flies in the face of Thelemic teaching. He also describes two forms of unknown variables in addition to true and false: Indeterminate (Not Yet Testable), and Meaningless (Untestable). I bring this up to mean that if Indeterminate means Not Yet Testable, then this provides ample reason to use language to describe things we cannot adequately symbolize in language yet. We simply have not yet developed the symbols necessary to test such a thing. This brings up a further point, how do we differentiate between Not Yet Testable and Untestable given that we cannot test either one yet? It seems like RAW is highlighting another issue within linguistics and the philosophy of language. Your statement, "All is One," is fascinating in relation to this chapter. I agree that by his definition of "noise" (noise being that which is untestable by scientific standards), it certainly can be interpreted as noise. I don't think RAW would disagree with the semantic meaning of your statement, especially given that it is not hard to conceive of creating a single symbol that collapses all of creation down into it (in this case, the word, "One"). However, I am led to believe that you are using the verb "to be" in this statement to assert that you've collected enough evidence to confirm that for yourself. I also know from your response that you recognize it is just a symbol trying to describe something but it is not the thing in and of itself. I think RAW would've been just fine with your formulation, given that you are a skillful perceiver who has been collecting data over a period of time and have found a consistent pattern. "All is One," also, is not the statement he specifically calls into question. Instead, it's, "My boss is a male chauvinist drunk, and this is making me sick." He seems to be illustrating that a statement like, "My boss is a male chauvinist drunk, and this is making me sick," does not seem to be formulated properly because it doesn't acknowledge relativism. If this statement is true, then maybe this person's boss did act this way. But we can only know that this person's boss acted that way based on this person's measurements. I have not met this boss. Depending on how well I trust the person making this statement, I might decide that this statement "is not" true. Even when I make this statement that it "is not" true, I am only making this statement for myself, based on my own information and data I've collected from my experience of this situation. Therefore, both the "is true" and "is not true" statements exist, neither fully describe the reality of the situation, and yet both appear true to each individual? This highlights a significant term he has coined, but I realize was not heavily emphasized in this chapter. We can only perceive what is within our own "Reality Tunnel." In other words, I can only perceive what I am capable of perceiving. The bandwidth of my perception is my reality tunnel, and it describes my view of the All that is One. Like I said above, I cannot tell you your True Will because I do not occupy your reality tunnel, just the same as you mine, and therefore we cannot adequately make statements about a "deep reality" that I can somehow make my reality tunnel see everyone else's and then make ontologically correct statements about the All for everyone. If I did that, it would just seem like I have a really big ego. Ultimately, he is trying to describe how the ego protects itself by creating these ontological statements through the verb "to be" while embracing irrelevant measurements. He implies to me that we often phrases things in this way to give up responsibility, instead giving in to, "This is just how things are!" Rarely do people say that when things are going well! Specifically, he is trying to illustrate how much our minds create how we perceive reality. Not, create our own reality, as that implies that one could effectively remove that unknown element out of their lives. Rather, we can craft the model we use to perceive the Universe. I think that if we take this to the logical extreme, he would completely agree with your statement that a human who has been trained to be a skillful perceiver can make much more accurate ontological statements than someone who has not. In fact, I'd venture to guess that part of what makes that person a skillful perceiver is that they have become aware of the ways in which the instrument that is our body misfires and gives us faulty or irrelevant information. All of this is to say that I do not think RAW would've disagreed with your perspective, instead, I think he would've pointed out that you have done a lot of the work he is pointing to. Nonetheless, I am biased towards RAW, so my own perceptions are equally faulty!
  • 0 Votes
    4 Posts
    143 Views
    J
    I don't know if I can add anything that hasn't already been said about the parable other than that I find the parable to be funny. The most obvious meaning that one can derive is if you look for externalized authority, it will never come (like those who wait for the Second Coming). You'll be stuck outside the temple walls banging on the door to be let in from the conditions outside only to die alone. The door in the story was made specifically for the individual concerned in the story, so that person must be entitled to use that door, right? If its purpose is such that this person is supposed to be the one to go through it, doesn't that mean that the door has not served its purpose until it has let this person in (not unlike Crowley's metaphor that a nail has not served its purpose until hammered into wood)? The person standing in front of the door who keeps asking the guard to let them in is told to wait and that maybe one day they'll be let in. But why would someone choose to waste their time waiting to see what's on the other side of this door, made specifically for them, even though the outcome might not even occur? What could be so great that one would throw one’s life away to wait for something that might not happen? Clearly, the individual has given a sense of Authority to the guard for the individual to let the guard determine whether the individual is able to use such a door. And for why has this individual given the guard Authority anyway. Because the guard’s armor is a powerful costume associated with “Authority” symbolism that the Nephesh finds fearsome on an animal level? What exactly is the guard even guarding? Does the guard even know what’s on the other side of the door or who the door was made for? This individual in the parable also does not choose to investigate the door. The individual does not test if the door is unlocked, if the guard will prevent the individual from passing through on the individual’s own authority (“This door was made for ME!”),or find out if there are other means of getting to the other side of this wall (assuming that moving from one side of this wall to the other is in fact what this individual wants). Is the shape of that door not an invitation (in the same way that King Arthur pulls the Sword from the Stone)? Furthermore, given that RAW was interested in Thelema, it is hard not to read the "door of the Law" as anything but the Law of the Aeon. Do what thou wilt shall be the whole of the Law. Is it not the Will of the individual to go through that door? Is it not the Will of that Door to allow only that Individual through? The individual wants admission to the door of the Law, but the individual is not "doing" the Law. Can the guard "make" the individual "do" the Law? Who is the guard to have the authority to determine that the individual is not allowed to "do" the Law given that the door that has been uniquely fitted to this individual and clearly won't serve its purpose until it has allowed this individual in and no one else? Can the guard even adequately perceive the door and the individual clearly enough to discover that they are in the same shape? Is this individual not righteous enough to say, "Success be thy proof!"? I am reminded of how the ego likes to demand certainty before taking an action. The ego loves to search for confirmation that an individual is uniquely chosen to take this one risk that only this unique individual can responsibly handle or accurately perceive. Often, the ego finds that these types of conditions hardly ever exist. In fact, the individual in this story has more certainty than most human beings have about the thresholds they cross, because this individual might be able to perceive that they are the only one capable of crossing through that threshold indicated by the shape of the door. We will never know what is on the other side of this door for this individual because they spend their whole life waiting to be let in. Clearly, they wanted it badly enough to wait. Whether the other side of the door was disappointing or awe inspiring, or even just plain neutral, this individual only seems increasingly foolish for sitting around and waiting for external confirmation and authority, rather than using resourcefulness to discover an analogous outcome (again, was this the only door into the Law? Maybe the individual could’ve fooled the guard by walking through the door with intention and purpose, seemingly as if they were meant to go through the door that was made for the individual?). As far as the Zen student experiences a similar circumstance, did that student at least have the benefit of knowing what was on the other side of that door? The student knew that it was the meditation hall, had probably been to the hall numerous times, and only now were they locked out. Most people, when locked out of somewhere (even somewhere familiar), react with panic, fear, and the need to get inside. Did this student only fall deeper into fear of this "Dark Parable" once this happened even though they were perfectly aware of what's on the other side of that door? This student seems to have the benefit of having a theoretical knowledge and experience of the Law (hopefully even more so than the individual in the parable since the student studies Zen). Although we do not know how this student reacts to the door, one would hope that their Zen studies would’ve given the student enough of a map of experience so that the student can adequately navigate this situation (and discover the ideal course of action). If, instead, the student forgot all the training the student has been undergoing in their Zen education, then the student has clearly not internalized the Law enough to apply it.
  • First to claim attainment to Master of the Temple

    Initiation
    6
    0 Votes
    6 Posts
    603 Views
    Z
    I can't speak directly to the position of HOGD, but I have heard that Paul Foster Case (trained by A∴O∴, successor of HOGD) felt that advancement beyond 5=6 was a matter between the initiate and their angel. The supernal sephiroth were not thought to be beyond the reach of living humans, but the training for it was beyond the reach of B.O.T.A.
  • 0 Votes
    3 Posts
    474 Views
    H
    Here is the poll for our next book: https://form.jotform.com/253374467610055 Let's vote throughout the month of December and choose one to start reading middle of January, once work flow starts back up again.
  • 93

    Introduce Yourself
    2
    1 Votes
    2 Posts
    329 Views
    augurA
    Hello and Welcome.
  • Genesis of The Book of The Law by David Allen Hulse

    Thelema
    19
    0 Votes
    19 Posts
    2k Views
    augurA
    @aramant I should have some good news for you soon on this topic.
  • Chapter 8: Taboos

    All These Old Letters of My Book Club
    1
    0 Votes
    1 Posts
    229 Views
    No one has replied
  • 2 Votes
    5 Posts
    627 Views
    H
    @jjones I took a witchcraft and heresy class in college and it was so interesting! We learned about how the Inquisition and witch trials centered much on the power of deciding who holds authority in "knowing." Plenty of the main players of western occultism operated within the dominant class, white, educated men oftentimes associated in some way with the church (at least externally). Witches were women, who barred from education, developed ways of knowing through their realms of expertise, within homes, kitchens, among natural environments and communities. There has always been a thread of folk magick and a thread of ceremonial magick, oftentimes intertwining, but put this way, divided mainly by class. It is interesting how the divide still lasts today, I feel like there are often antipathies between ceremonial magicians and witchcraft practitioners and wonder if perhaps ceremonial magick might benefit from earnestly learning from nature-based workers, and vice versa. I reckon there are far more similarities than not. Btw, the book we read in the class was The Witch in the Western Imagination by Lyndal Roper, it has some absolutely horrific details of men with mommy issues playing god on poor women. The inquisition was vast in scope and quite violent but the witchcraft trials were even worse in terms of sheer depravity, and they happened more recently! I think one could go pretty deep exploring the shadow content of the "witch," "magician," and "sorcerer!"
  • Chapter 7: Possession

    All These Old Letters of My Book Club
    1
    1 Votes
    1 Posts
    298 Views
    No one has replied
  • 2 Votes
    1 Posts
    304 Views
    No one has replied
  • How literal is "in person" for College of Thelema?

    Thelema
    3
    0 Votes
    3 Posts
    487 Views
    T
    I see, need to keep on searching then. Thank you for the reply in any case!