Is there a list of Temples/Branches of the A.'.A.'.?
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Then how does one get to find a teacher? Where does he go? If there's no actual network, anyone can claim membership and offer himself as a teacher, isn't that so?
And I assume that the teacher and the student need to be geographically close to each other in order to meet for lessons, examinations etc. so how can the A.'.A.'. reach other countries? -
@FiatYod said
"Then how does one get to find a teacher?"
Searching & researching. (Once you know the history of the movement, you can discern the real lineages.)
"Where does he go?"
They have websites.
"If there's no actual network, anyone can claim membership and offer himself as a teacher, isn't that so?"
Yes.
"And I assume that the teacher and the student need to be geographically close to each other in order to meet for lessons, examinations etc. so how can the A.'.A.'. reach other countries?"
By having people who can travel to and settle in other places as needed. Barring that, yes, there are geographical limitations.
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@FiatYod said
"Then how does one get to find a teacher?"
One doesn't "find a teacher," a teacher is assigned by the Cancellarius (as I mentioned before). It should not be difficult for you to locate the address of a Cancellarius (whether it be this lineage, that lineage, or some other lineage).
Unfortunately, the older editions of all the books you can buy about the A.'.A.'. list the address of either the British school or an older address in Riverside, CA that I think no longer functions as an address for the A.'.A.'.. There used to be a published address in Chicago, but I think that is defunct.
I'm being purposely opaque. I (and several others here) know the answer you seek in that regard, but you must find the answer yourself (and it is quite easy to do).
@FiatYod said
"Where does he go? If there's no actual network, anyone can claim membership and offer himself as a teacher, isn't that so?"
Yes and no. There is a network, but it is a network of single cells, one touching many others it has created, and those which those have created, but only one cell above that which created it. And there is official documentation. If someone belongs to a [genuine?] lineage, one can show you his/her degree papers signed by the neophyte that provided the instructions and tests.
Perhaps this is the reason behind the opaqueness; perhaps one's first test is to see how to discover the head of the order.
@FiatYod said
"And I assume that the teacher and the student need to be geographically close to each other in order to meet for lessons, examinations etc. so how can the A.'.A.'. reach other countries?"
The burden here is on the student. The student needs to be geographically with the teacher at least during the initiation ceremonies, and possibly as frequently as twice a year. A weekend trip now and again is all that is necessary for such.
You already aren't far from finding how to get started, but experience and observation has shown me that it can take a year (give or take) before you'll get a response once you've written to a suitable address. There's a reason for that I won't go into. When that happens, don't lose hope.
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@Takamba said
"You already aren't far from finding how to get started, but experience and observation has shown me that it can take a year (give or take) before you'll get a response once you've written to a suitable address. There's a reason for that I won't go into. When that happens, don't lose hope.
"I can guess the reason for that is (at least) one of the following:
- They get lots of emails every day
- They check their email very seldom
- The task of taking care of new applications has a low priority on their daily schedules
- They need to run some background tests before responding
- They want to test your patience
So I should just email the Chancellor and wait for a year?
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@FiatYod said
"So I should just email the Chancellor and wait for a year?
"52. There was also an humming-bird that spake unto the horned cerastes, and prayed him for poison. And the great snake of Khem the Holy One, the royal Ureus serpent, answered him and said:
53. I sailed over the sky of Nu in the car called Millions-of-Years, and I saw not any creature upon Seb that was equal to me. The venom of my fang is the inheritance of my father, and of my father's father; and how shall I give it unto thee? Live thou and thy children as I and my fathers have lived, even unto an hundred millions of generations, and it may be that the mercy of the Mighty Ones may bestow upon thy children a drop of the poison of eld.
54. Then the humming-bird was afflicted in his spirit, and he flew unto the flowers, and it was as if naught had been spoken between them. Yet in a little while a serpent struck him that he died.
55. But an Ibis that meditated upon the bank of Nile the beautiful god listened and heard. And he laid aside his Ibis ways, and became as a serpent, saying Peradventure in an hundred millions of millions of generations of my children, they shall attain to a drop of the poison of the fang of the Exalted One.
56. And behold! ere the moon waxed thrice he became an Ureus serpent, and the poison of the fang was established in him and his seed even for ever and for ever.
--- Liber Cordis Cincti Serpente, Chap. V -
@FiatYod said
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I can guess the reason for that is (at least) one of the following:- They get lots of emails every day
- They check their email very seldom
- The task of taking care of new applications has a low priority on their daily schedules
- They need to run some background tests before responding
- They want to test your patience
So I should just email the Chancellor and wait for a year?
"One of those is rather close to it. Yes.
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@danica said
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@FiatYod said
"So I should just email the Chancellor and wait for a year?
"52. There was also an humming-bird that spake unto the horned cerastes, and prayed him for poison. And the great snake of Khem the Holy One, the royal Ureus serpent, answered him and said:
53. I sailed over the sky of Nu in the car called Millions-of-Years, and I saw not any creature upon Seb that was equal to me. The venom of my fang is the inheritance of my father, and of my father's father; and how shall I give it unto thee? Live thou and thy children as I and my fathers have lived, even unto an hundred millions of generations, and it may be that the mercy of the Mighty Ones may bestow upon thy children a drop of the poison of eld.
54. Then the humming-bird was afflicted in his spirit, and he flew unto the flowers, and it was as if naught had been spoken between them. Yet in a little while a serpent struck him that he died.
55. But an Ibis that meditated upon the bank of Nile the beautiful god listened and heard. And he laid aside his Ibis ways, and became as a serpent, saying Peradventure in an hundred millions of millions of generations of my children, they shall attain to a drop of the poison of the fang of the Exalted One.
56. And behold! ere the moon waxed thrice he became an Ureus serpent, and the poison of the fang was established in him and his seed even for ever and for ever.
--- Liber Cordis Cincti Serpente, Chap. V"I see what you're trying to say...
Well, I've just sent an email to a Chancellor in England. Hoping for a (relatively) quick response.
Thank you all for your answers!
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@FiatYod said
"I can guess the reason for that is (at least) one of the following:
- They get lots of emails every day
- They check their email very seldom
- The task of taking care of new applications has a low priority on their daily schedules
- They need to run some background tests before responding
- They want to test your patience
So I should just email the Chancellor and wait for a year?
"Never forget the all-pervasive administrative incompetence. You shouldn't have to wait a year for a reply to an email.
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@gerry456 said
"Takamba did you ever join such an organization or are you a self-initiator?"
I do not discus my initiations or statuses publicly. I have indeed been so in many orders and schools and yes, I'm telling you from experience that the reply from the very organization (whose light you are currently reading this under) takes a year (call it a test of you, but there are indeed other reasons, none of which has a mundane excuse). It is not administrative failure, it is a tradition that existed before the email address. It has its purpose within the order.
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Do either COT or TOT have actual designated locations? When I looked up the address of COT, it seemed to be an apartment building. Are the classes given out of people's homes, community centers, and the like? Same with TOT initiation?
It always seems that thelemic bodies meet in casual locations, probably due to the proscription against charging money apart from enough to cover basic costs. Is there anywhere in the world where there is actually a true thelemic temple (that one would see and readily identify it as such?).
How awesome would it be if some rich guy funded the construction of an actual temple, complete with stonework, stained glass images of nuit, hadit, and ra-hoor-khuit, super-high ceilings, etc.? Are there any such beautiful thelemic temples?
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There once was a rich man named Crowley
who convinced a lot of women he was holy.
Around about the time he got real flabby,
he corralled them together in an abbey.
And got chased out by a fascist army.http://www.ideologic.org/media/filter/l/img/1783-2.jpg
http://www.gmkelly.com/abbey-3.jpg
http://photos1.blogger.com/hello/36/6072/1024/DSC_0318.jpg
http://www.jarrelook.co.uk/Urbex/Abbey of Thelema/Fullsize/Abbey_of_Thelema-10.jpg
http://www.gmkelly.com/abbey-19.jpg
http://hauntedamericatours.com/ghosts/The-Abbey-of-Thelema.jpgMost people only have one home. Sometimes a member of the OTO will be aligned with the Freemasons and a Masonic lodge is used for OTO meetings. But yes, usually it is in someone's basement. When lodges are used for OTO activity, that's the best.
http://i1352.photobucket.com/albums/q648/Takamba93/image_zpsh55mda0v.jpg
http://i1352.photobucket.com/albums/q648/Takamba93/occult1-660x440_zpsfumf1yie.jpg
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@Luce said
"Do either COT or TOT have actual designated locations?"
Legal address for business purposes. Events are then held at various locations (some in people's homes, some in rented spaces);
"Are the classes given out of people's homes, community centers, and the like? Same with TOT initiation?"
it varies, depending on the event but, generally, classes are given out of people's homes. T.'.O.'.T.'. initiatiosn and other ongoing (twice monthly) meetings are held at private locations, but I can tell you that it isn't people's homes.
"It always seems that thelemic bodies meet in casual locations, probably due to the proscription against charging money apart from enough to cover basic costs. Is there anywhere in the world where there is actually a true thelemic temple (that one would see and readily identify it as such?)."
Give us $10 million and we'll acquire a significant parcel of land in the central Los Angeles area and build a dedicated temple like the Masons. It would have to be modest for that amount, but would be utterly serviceable.
"How awesome would it be if some rich guy funded the construction of an actual temple, complete with stonework, stained glass images of nuit, hadit, and ra-hoor-khuit, super-high ceilings, etc.? Are there any such beautiful thelemic temples?"
None anywhere in the world AFAIK.
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@Takamba said
"There once was a rich man named Crowley
who convinced a lot of women he was holy.
Around about the time he got real flabby,
he corralled them together in an abbey.
And got chased out by a fascist army."Are the pictures from the first part of your message really the house of Crowley?
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@FiatYod said
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@Takamba said
"There once was a rich man named Crowley
who convinced a lot of women he was holy.
Around about the time he got real flabby,
he corralled them together in an abbey.
And got chased out by a fascist army."Are the pictures from the first part of your message really the house of Crowley?"
Yes, those are actual pictures from the Abbey of Thelema in Cefalu, Italy. Those photos are about a decade old (not mine, btw).
For reference, here is Cefalu
http://magazine.snav.it/wp-content/uploads/2010/11/natale-a-cefalù.jpg