Eris, and Qabalistic associations
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Hey everyone, it's been awhile!
I've been drawn to the Greek pantheon lately, and especially to Eris, since something about the modern philosophy of Discordianism has always felt Thelemic to me. Specifically, it's the idea that the appearance of order and the appearance of disorder are merely appearances, and that it's all just Chaos underneath our mental interpretational tools. I interpret Chaos in a Thelemic/Qabalistic context.
I'm aware that there's a difference between how She's viewed in Greek mythology and how She's viewed (more playfully) in Discordian philosophy.
I took a look in 777 (I don't have 776 1/2) and didn't see anything about Her in there. Does anyone (especially Jim) have any thoughts they can share about where on the Tree of Life She might be attributable?
93, 93/93
There is no Qabbalistic principle that embodies this mixture of traits.
Probably the best fit for the general mix (and grabbing all of them more or less as you stated them) is Alef.
As you probably know, this has essentially no connection to the Greek goddess Eris. This would have to go on a brand new table of correspondences for, say, Modern Synthetic Deities.
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Hey everyone, it's been awhile!
I've been drawn to the Greek pantheon lately, and especially to Eris, since something about the modern philosophy of Discordianism has always felt Thelemic to me. Specifically, it's the idea that the appearance of order and the appearance of disorder are merely appearances, and that it's all just Chaos underneath our mental interpretational tools. I interpret Chaos in a Thelemic/Qabalistic context.
I'm aware that there's a difference between how She's viewed in Greek mythology and how She's viewed (more playfully) in Discordian philosophy.
I took a look in 777 (I don't have 776 1/2) and didn't see anything about Her in there. Does anyone (especially Jim) have any thoughts they can share about where on the Tree of Life She might be attributable?
93, 93/93
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Hey everyone, it's been awhile!
I've been drawn to the Greek pantheon lately, and especially to Eris, since something about the modern philosophy of Discordianism has always felt Thelemic to me. Specifically, it's the idea that the appearance of order and the appearance of disorder are merely appearances, and that it's all just Chaos underneath our mental interpretational tools. I interpret Chaos in a Thelemic/Qabalistic context.
I'm aware that there's a difference between how She's viewed in Greek mythology and how She's viewed (more playfully) in Discordian philosophy.
I took a look in 777 (I don't have 776 1/2) and didn't see anything about Her in there. Does anyone (especially Jim) have any thoughts they can share about where on the Tree of Life She might be attributable?
93, 93/93
In the context of the Discordian and Church of the Subgenius subcultures that I'm familiar with, I would say that Eris is kind of a Manic Pixie Dream Goddess--representing the energy, chaos, etc., of Nephesh, as a destructive/vitalizing force on the Ruach.
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Hey everyone, it's been awhile!
I've been drawn to the Greek pantheon lately, and especially to Eris, since something about the modern philosophy of Discordianism has always felt Thelemic to me. Specifically, it's the idea that the appearance of order and the appearance of disorder are merely appearances, and that it's all just Chaos underneath our mental interpretational tools. I interpret Chaos in a Thelemic/Qabalistic context.
I'm aware that there's a difference between how She's viewed in Greek mythology and how She's viewed (more playfully) in Discordian philosophy.
I took a look in 777 (I don't have 776 1/2) and didn't see anything about Her in there. Does anyone (especially Jim) have any thoughts they can share about where on the Tree of Life She might be attributable?
93, 93/93
About a year ago I rescued two kittens off the streets. Sisters. I named one of them Eris, the other Kali.
Eris has taught me quite a bit about what her name means, often in very unexpected ways. (Kali as well, but that's a different thread) Magick? Coincidence? Self-fulfilling prophecy? Whatever it is, your 5 characteristics above describe her to a T.
Chalk it up to the ramblings of the crazy cat-lady but I think you're probably right in not trying to pin her down to just one correspondence. Athena's all over the place in Column XXXIV and she's supposed to be the cool collected one. Why should we expect Eris to sit like a good little girl in just one box?
Also, just a thought to add to the list if you really are trying to pin down that Discordian minx: The great initiation of the Golden Apple (Illuminatus!) culminates in the violent death of the initiate (just as he's on the verge of... um... the little death). She's not just a trickster. Her intention is to tear off your preconceptions, forcefully if necessary. Jim's suggestion of Peh sounds right on target there.
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Hey everyone, it's been awhile!
I've been drawn to the Greek pantheon lately, and especially to Eris, since something about the modern philosophy of Discordianism has always felt Thelemic to me. Specifically, it's the idea that the appearance of order and the appearance of disorder are merely appearances, and that it's all just Chaos underneath our mental interpretational tools. I interpret Chaos in a Thelemic/Qabalistic context.
I'm aware that there's a difference between how She's viewed in Greek mythology and how She's viewed (more playfully) in Discordian philosophy.
I took a look in 777 (I don't have 776 1/2) and didn't see anything about Her in there. Does anyone (especially Jim) have any thoughts they can share about where on the Tree of Life She might be attributable?
93, 93/93
So I pose a question to y'all:
What's the difference between working with such a "composite/synthetic modern deity" and an ancient one? Is it just the amount of veneration by masses of people that adds energy into a particular form of... some kind of divinity? Is the former just totally "made up" and not comparable to the latter?
93, 93/93.
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Hey everyone, it's been awhile!
I've been drawn to the Greek pantheon lately, and especially to Eris, since something about the modern philosophy of Discordianism has always felt Thelemic to me. Specifically, it's the idea that the appearance of order and the appearance of disorder are merely appearances, and that it's all just Chaos underneath our mental interpretational tools. I interpret Chaos in a Thelemic/Qabalistic context.
I'm aware that there's a difference between how She's viewed in Greek mythology and how She's viewed (more playfully) in Discordian philosophy.
I took a look in 777 (I don't have 776 1/2) and didn't see anything about Her in there. Does anyone (especially Jim) have any thoughts they can share about where on the Tree of Life She might be attributable?
93, 93/93
Love is love.
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Hey everyone, it's been awhile!
I've been drawn to the Greek pantheon lately, and especially to Eris, since something about the modern philosophy of Discordianism has always felt Thelemic to me. Specifically, it's the idea that the appearance of order and the appearance of disorder are merely appearances, and that it's all just Chaos underneath our mental interpretational tools. I interpret Chaos in a Thelemic/Qabalistic context.
I'm aware that there's a difference between how She's viewed in Greek mythology and how She's viewed (more playfully) in Discordian philosophy.
I took a look in 777 (I don't have 776 1/2) and didn't see anything about Her in there. Does anyone (especially Jim) have any thoughts they can share about where on the Tree of Life She might be attributable?
93, 93/93
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Hey everyone, it's been awhile!
I've been drawn to the Greek pantheon lately, and especially to Eris, since something about the modern philosophy of Discordianism has always felt Thelemic to me. Specifically, it's the idea that the appearance of order and the appearance of disorder are merely appearances, and that it's all just Chaos underneath our mental interpretational tools. I interpret Chaos in a Thelemic/Qabalistic context.
I'm aware that there's a difference between how She's viewed in Greek mythology and how She's viewed (more playfully) in Discordian philosophy.
I took a look in 777 (I don't have 776 1/2) and didn't see anything about Her in there. Does anyone (especially Jim) have any thoughts they can share about where on the Tree of Life She might be attributable?
93, 93/93
@Avshalom Binyamin said
"In the context of the Discordian and Church of the Subgenius subcultures that I'm familiar with, I would say that Eris is kind of a Manic Pixie Dream Goddess..."
Random fact - I had no idea what the Manic Pixie Dream Girl archetype was until I happened to come across it just now in another context and looked it up... I thought you coined the term yourself
It's an awesome term. Gives me a lot to think about in terms of all of this.
93, 93/93.
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Hey everyone, it's been awhile!
I've been drawn to the Greek pantheon lately, and especially to Eris, since something about the modern philosophy of Discordianism has always felt Thelemic to me. Specifically, it's the idea that the appearance of order and the appearance of disorder are merely appearances, and that it's all just Chaos underneath our mental interpretational tools. I interpret Chaos in a Thelemic/Qabalistic context.
I'm aware that there's a difference between how She's viewed in Greek mythology and how She's viewed (more playfully) in Discordian philosophy.
I took a look in 777 (I don't have 776 1/2) and didn't see anything about Her in there. Does anyone (especially Jim) have any thoughts they can share about where on the Tree of Life She might be attributable?
93, 93/93
@Ash said
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@Avshalom Binyamin said
"In the context of the Discordian and Church of the Subgenius subcultures that I'm familiar with, I would say that Eris is kind of a Manic Pixie Dream Goddess..."
Random fact - I had no idea what the Manic Pixie Dream Girl archetype was until I happened to come across it just now in another context and looked it up... I thought you coined the term yourself
"The description of Manic Pixie Dream Girl sounds very nice-kundry nephesh projection (or Jung anima stuff). Cool.
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Hey everyone, it's been awhile!
I've been drawn to the Greek pantheon lately, and especially to Eris, since something about the modern philosophy of Discordianism has always felt Thelemic to me. Specifically, it's the idea that the appearance of order and the appearance of disorder are merely appearances, and that it's all just Chaos underneath our mental interpretational tools. I interpret Chaos in a Thelemic/Qabalistic context.
I'm aware that there's a difference between how She's viewed in Greek mythology and how She's viewed (more playfully) in Discordian philosophy.
I took a look in 777 (I don't have 776 1/2) and didn't see anything about Her in there. Does anyone (especially Jim) have any thoughts they can share about where on the Tree of Life She might be attributable?
93, 93/93
Sorry to semi-Necro this but I have an anecdotal incident.
I was very into Discordia over 20 years ago and while doing the normal 'urban shaman' routine common amongst those who lived in Betsit Britain at the time of the Second Summer of Love (read - every psychedelic whe could get) and one night I'd checked my bank balance and it was zero. I was fairly chemically altered and decided to ask Eris to stick some cash in there. I went around the block with my friend , had a vision of a huge bear for some god unknown reason,and came back and , of course, £230 (I'm hoping you all get the 23 reference ) was the balance when I rechecked it.
There was never any mention of that deposit on the statement either.
We found the words of power most effective in any prayer or request to be 'Eris is a babe'. Since she kinda likes that in a - happy pixie elf that can destroy your life and /or city walls - kinda way.
She asks that you enjoy yourself a lot and not to get upset about any pranks in my experience. Dont turn down her gifts or she will either stop playing or play a little rough. But keep a sense of humor when working with her and she is honestly delightful. Do . Not. Snub. Invite to the party. - there's precedent
RAW had her related as far as I cam remember to pretty much every female archetype on the tree. To 'our lady of space' in some of his ideas in Cosmic Trigger , as a microcosm of Nuit. as the counterpoint of the Dwarf self /HGA , also as the Empress /Joyces Mother Goddess... I'm pretty sure he was obliged to use blinds but I think he was peaking a little too hard in that book as he himself admitted later.