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    gerry456
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    Herr Trump as one of Nietzsche's blonde beasts?

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      oldfriend56
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      James Wasserman is big on Trump, not sure if he is behind the group though, but appears likely.

      I don't get it.

      What am I missing?

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      • G gerry456

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        Francis1
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        Oh, politics 😤
        I guess I would
        Point to LIBER OZ
        When one is trying
        To figure out what
        Politicians to back.

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          @ldfriend56 said

          "James Wasserman is big on Trump, not sure if he is behind the group though, but appears likely.

          I don't get it.

          What am I missing?"

          Hilary or Trump?

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            edited

            reflection

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                Anchorite
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                Gerry .IIRC the Islam Crowley liked was that of the desert tribes, not the politically driven catastrophe that happened after the fall of Iran.
                Could be wrong but the confessions seem to suggest that via his encounters.

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                  @Anchorite said

                  "Gerry .IIRC the Islam Crowley liked was that of the desert tribes, not the politically driven catastrophe that happened after the fall of Iran.
                  Could be wrong but the confessions seem to suggest that via his encounters."

                  Makes sense. Of course.

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                    So I'm missing the reality that hatred and fear of Islam is somehow equal to endorsement of Trump via Thelema?

                    Not sure I follow that logic.

                    If we follow that logic, shouldn't we be a bit more suspect of the more intimidating christian oppressions endorsed by our twitter president?

                    Also, if you read Wasserman, he is very very respectful, if not admirable - of Islam including the prophet.

                    Why do i have to be a liberal to not understand the appeal of Trump with Thelemites?

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                      @ldfriend56 said

                      "So I'm missing the reality that hatred and fear of Islam is somehow equal to endorsement of Trump via Thelema?

                      Not sure I follow that logic.

                      If we follow that logic, shouldn't we be a bit more suspect of the more intimidating christian oppressions endorsed by our twitter president?

                      Also, if you read Wasserman, he is very very respectful, if not admirable - of Islam including the prophet.

                      Why do i have to be a liberal to not understand the appeal of Trump with Thelemites?"

                      EITHER Pro Trump OR Anti Trump. What a pit.

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                        Francis1
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                        i.M.O. I don't believe the general public is capable of voting in the best leaders.
                        What we are left with is mediocre people in power in most cases.
                        I.M.O., most people are like sheep.
                        They don't think for themselves, they follow the herd.

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                          Makes me physically ill to hear a Thelemite (let alone anyone) would endorse Trump, or Islam to be frank. This mention of the verse in Liber L is weak, and we shouldn't ignore (if one takes Liber L seriously) that Trump would in no way be Thelemic. He is one who oppresses and doesn't liberate, and who in the hell considers him "fit"?!

                          Now, I realize AC agreed with Islam, (which never settled with me, to be honest), but Thelema is about freedom to express oneself, and make decisions, and is hardly on the side of oppressive Christian morals, while he may be faking his Xtian beliefs, he is certainly helping them with their agenda. He hardly seems one to admire as a master tactician, or even halfway intelligent as well - he's an obvious moron.

                          I think some look at the language in the Book of the Law that seems to speak about being without mercy, and pity and this, in fact, does reflect Trump (and Repubs in general), but I hardly think this suggests Trump is somehow qualified to represent the Thelemic idea.

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                            Why do i have to be a liberal to not understand the appeal of Trump with Thelemites?"

                            We sure as heck don't.
                            I am not Liberal or Conservative.

                            Take Trumps stance on Transgenders in the military
                            I see that as being pushed by his
                            Christian Fundamentalist backers.
                            I don't see that as fitting in with what is stated in
                            Liber OZ

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                              Takamba
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                              @Francis1 said

                              "
                              I am not Liberal or Conservative.

                              Take Trumps stance on Transgenders in the military
                              I see that as being pushed by his
                              Christian Fundamentalist backers.
                              I don't see that as fitting in with what is stated in
                              Liber OZ"

                              Man has the right to hire who he wants
                              Man has the right to make cakes for who he wants
                              Man has the right refuse those who would refuse him

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                                I don't think you HAVE to "be" anything, but it doesn't make too much sense to align with Christian ideals and repressive moral stances. Thelema was about personal freedom and expression, and Trump is anything but for the freedom of the individual, as he is obviously racist and willing to impose restriction. Did you forget - "the word of sin is restriction"?

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                                  Avshalom Binyamin
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                                  @Takamba said

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                                  Man has the right to hire who he wants
                                  Man has the right to make cakes for who he wants
                                  Man has the right refuse those who would refuse him"

                                  Man has the right to love as he will
                                  Man has the right to kill those who would thwart these rights.

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                                    @Avshalom Binyamin said

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                                    @Takamba said
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                                    Man has the right to hire who he wants
                                    Man has the right to make cakes for who he wants
                                    Man has the right refuse those who would refuse him"

                                    Man has the right to love as he will
                                    Man has the right to kill those who would thwart these rights."

                                    Yes. Unfortunately, the simple version (you reference) isn't understandable to the majority of people, hence why I had to break it down.

                                    Man has the right to love as he will equals "hire who he wants," "make cakes" (or not, it is no odds), ETC.
                                    Man has the right to kill those who would thwart these rights = "refuse those who would refuse them."

                                    For the other readers in this forum, let's discuss the difference between being aggressive and being assertive (simply).

                                    Being aggressive is declaring what you believe you have the right to no matter who else may be diminished by your "rights". Being assertive is declaring what you believe are your rights whilst also recognizing the fair rights of others. Liber OZ is pure assertiveness, whilst some would attempt to use it aggressively. Be cautious of that.

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                                      Avshalom Binyamin
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                                      Right, there's a difference between asserting one's own rights, and hypocritically using the asserting of one's own rights as an excuse to infringe on the rights of others.

                                      The way I read Liber Oz, my right to live and exist is dependent on my non-interference with the rights of others. If I say I support Liber Oz, I'm saying that someone has the right to kill me if I would thwart their rights.That's what I'm cautious about.

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                                        @Avshalom Binyamin said

                                        "if I would thwart their rights."

                                        That's not actually possible, though within the framework of the apparent it happens. The flower blossoms because it receives the adequate love of the Sun, but it sometimes fails to recognize that it itself is an adaptation or expression of or one with that Sun. It is concerned with its floweriness as opposed to its role as a blessing of the Sun.

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                                          Yes, it is quite possible to thwart a person's rights.

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