Who says that KEK is against Nu Hadit and Horus?
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@ldfriend56 said
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My understanding is the KEK originally is one of four Egyptian creation gods, and I don't think they are directly applicable to the thelemic trilogy.I
"I get it, I though all of the Egyptian gods are relevant to Thelema because the three holy book chapters are dictated by some of them therefore the whole pantheon is inherently valid. You raise a good point, why are they valid?
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@gerry456 said
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I get it, I though all of the Egyptian gods are relevant to Thelema because the three holy book chapters are dictated by some of them therefore the whole pantheon is inherently valid. "What do you mean by "therefore the whole pantheon is inherently valid"? Valid for what? And why does the visual representation of three of the Thelemic Gods taken from an ancient stele necessarily validate the religion under which that stele was created, especially considering that the Thelemic personification of these Gods bears little to no correlation to the Khemite Gods that originally inspired the image?
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@Gnosomai Emauton said
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What do you mean by "therefore the whole pantheon is inherently valid"? Valid for what? "Any god from a pantheon is not inherently isolated from the other gods in that pantheon is it?
@Gnosomai Emauton said
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And why does the visual representation of three of the Thelemic Gods taken from an ancient stele necessarily validate the religion under which that stele was created,"As above ie. what I wrote above.
@Gnosomai Emauton said
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especially considering that the Thelemic personification of these Gods bears little to no correlation to the Khemite Gods that originally inspired the image?"No correlation? Where and what are the differences?
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Every man and every woman is a star.
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@Gnosomai Emauton said
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What do you mean by "therefore the whole pantheon is inherently valid"? Valid for what? And why does the visual representation of three of the Thelemic Gods taken from an ancient stele necessarily validate the religion under which that stele was created, especially considering that the Thelemic personification of these Gods bears little to no correlation to the Khemite Gods that originally inspired the image?"pantheon
/*ˈpanθɪən/noun
noun: pantheon; plural noun: pantheons
all the gods of a people or religion collectively.
"the deities of the Hindu pantheon"
•(especially in ancient Greece and Rome) a temple dedicated to all the gods.
2.
**a group **of famous or important people.
"the pantheon of the all-time greats"
*The word "god" therefore, y'know in the polytheistic context, is a jigsaw. Have you ever seen a jigsaw that consisted of one or two or three pieces?
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@gerry456 said
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@Avshalom Binyamin said
"Every man and every woman is a star."Thankyou. Is that relevant?"
Yes. Kek is a symbol of white supremacy.
Nu, Hadit, and Horus, in the context of this forum, are Thelemic deities. They are not ancient Egyptian deities.
Kek is not a Thelemic deity. In a contemporary context, Kek is incompatible with some of the basic, core principles of Thelema. In the context of ancient Egypt, Kek is about as relevant to Thelema as any other dead frog.
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@gerry456 said
"up to Chesed? You mean the grade system identificationsof attainment?"
No, I mean Chesed as in limitation; the closest to the summit that the mind can hope to reach. Picture a square-shaped circle. You can not do it. This is indicative of the limitations of the the human mind. It illustrates how deeply rooted our mind's attachment to concepts is, the roots having been sown and nurtured since birth. Reason cannot pierce beyond Chesed for Reason is fed by the Abyss; i.e. the "substance" of the Abyss is the vehicle of Reason. (Compare the meaning of reason to the idea of Demiurge.) Reason is valuable only in so far as it is constantly kept in perspective, which is accomplished by abiding in Silence or Light or Equilibrium or whatever other half-true description it pleases anyone to label it with (it's called K&CotHGA in the Thelemic vernacular).
How does this relate to your post? You said that the Egyptian gods are relevant to Thelema and I am saying that that is a concept and a quite incorrect one, even as concepts go.
Dig this:
@Avshalom Binyamin said
"Nu, Hadit, and Horus, in the context of this forum, are Thelemic deities. They are not ancient Egyptian deities. "
In addition to the quote above, gerry, the Thelemic deities borrow from the Egyptian ones for many aspects of their symbolism, but do not forget that such symbolism exists solely within the Reason and can but only point to that which requires a "different" way of seeing things to fully grasp.
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@gerry456 said
"pantheon
/ˈpanθɪən/..."
Yes, I know what the word pantheon means. My question to you was: "Valid for what?"@gerry456 said
"No correlation? Where and what are the differences?"
The gods painted on the stele 2700 years ago are:Nut = The sky goddess. Lover of Geb (the earth) her husband/brother/complement. Daughter of Shu & Tefnut, granddaughter of Atum.
Behedeti = The Winged Sun. Avatar of Horus. Symbol of royalty and power.
Ra-Horakhty = Ra who is Horus of the Two Horizons (i.e., the Sun as it travels from sunrise to sunset)The gods as interpreted by Aleister Crowley are:
Nuit = The continuous one of heaven. The context of all that is. The co-creator of existence as lover and equal of her Lord Hadit.
Hadit = The unseen and all-seeing point. The observer of all that is. The co-creator of existence as lover and equal of his Lady Nuit.
Ra-Hoor-Khuit = A God of War and Vengeance. An avatar of Horus as the ever-borning Child of Nuit & Hadit's infinite embrace (i.e. HGA). Twin of Hoor-Paar-Kraat and half of HeruRaHa. -
That's not how I would characterize it.
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@Gnosomai Emauton said
"That's not how I would characterize it."
Well, that simply won't make matters better. Gnosomai Emauton, you have some 'splainin' to do!
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@seekinghga said
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Well, that simply won't make matters better. Gnosomai Emauton, you have some 'splainin' to do!"Of what?
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@Gnosomai Emauton said
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@seekinghga said
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Well, that simply won't make matters better. Gnosomai Emauton, you have some 'splainin' to do!"Of what?"
Presumably you disputed my I get it so AC has taken those deity-ideas and warped their definition for his own purpose? line.
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Best not to presume, then. It's really not possible for me to dispute anything since you still haven't clarified what you think all this is "valid" for or why you felt it important to raise these questions in the first place. The stream of one-line questions without any sort of actual thinking on the issues you purport to be interested in, thus far, signals nothing deeper than your standard internet fishing expedition. Trolling for KEK, as it were.
I simply didn't want your words to be interpreted as anything close what I would say on that tangent.
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@Gnosomai Emauton said
"Best not to presume, then. It's really not possible for me to dispute anything since you still haven't clarified what you think all this is "valid" for or why you felt it important to raise these questions in the first place. The stream of one-line questions without any sort of actual thinking on the issues you purport to be interested in, thus far, signals nothing deeper than your standard internet fishing expedition. Trolling for KEK, as it were.
I simply didn't want your words to be interpreted as anything close what I would say on that tangent."
Paranoid much?
I thought Crowley was using genuine Egyptian dieties.
