Is Scrying the Same As Viewing a Magick Eye?
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I've never been able to deduce the correct way to scry; that is, what exactly your eyes should be behaving.
Do you hold your eyes steady, intently staring at your chosen surface?
Or do you let your eyes lose focus, like with a magic eye.
I struggle with this greatly, so I was thinking of using magic eyes to "train" myself on the correct way to control my eyes whilst scrying. Would this be an effective training method?
Here is a magic eye, in case you know how to scry but don't remember what it's like to do a magic eye. If you fall into this category, could you please do this magic eye and let me know if it's the same eye-movement as with scrying?
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I have looked at those crazy pictures and had never been able to see what they were, and I was always pretty disappointed with myself.
when I was a child my mother was very upset with this blank stare I would get and tell me to uncross myeyes. She even brought me to a doctor to have him look at my pupils.
I don't know why today, when I looked at this not only was I able to see it, but I could hold it and bring my sight back.
its not like that.
when I got bifocal contacts, I had to train my eyes the doctor said, to make it except what it was seeing. My mind had to reorganize the light and see a different pattern.
In order for me to see the picture in the chaos, I had to be willing to see it.
I knew that if Takamba could see it, it was there.
so it was like I was calibrating the angel of light out of my eye until it refracted back into an image that my mind recognized....Saturn. I almost see something else in that picture though as well, some thing my mind has no frame of reference for, so I am not seeing that clearly yet.Those pictures are just a trick though of the mind and one of its senses.
I knew that Takamba would not lie to me and that if he said it was there, it was.
I looked at that picture and only saw chaos.
My eyes saw the flat surface of star like colors and knew that there was more to it.
I was willing to look and adjust my vision, because I trust him. He doesn't lie.It wasn't my eyes that saw that picture though. because that's just a trick of the eye, it was my heart that opened and allowed my mind to see something in a different way. I took the chains off my own self imposed limitations, my visual impairment and became aware that if I shifted my perception I was able to look beyond the flat chaos and see not only one but two clear visions of something right in the open, that once my mind locked on I could shake my head and still see that holographic image.
scrying is dons with the heart, like how you unfocus your eyes.
what you are doing is a recalibration of your self. Our sences are limited by our calibration.makes me think of this gold plated boss GM Chevy carburator I saw the other day.
Fine tuning a carb. is a big pain in the butt on old cars,
you have to turn these silly screws to just the right spot to get just the right mixture of air and fuel.
scrying to me feels like that in a way.
if Im trying to see something or hear something or feel something that isnt there right before my eyes, I have to go back to my center, to my heart and recalibrate my mixtures, and then from center reexpierence or reinterpret the data.As a person who naturally looks pretty deep at things, and has seen lots of spooky stuff in lifes magic eye picture show, its very hard to unsee things and get your vison flat again.
yet, as a person who has had some pretty interesting expierences, being able to switch my mindset and see the beauty in the world even though the uglyness is almost unbearable is a talent and a llife skill. optimism is a good thing. -
Thanks for the reply.
So, not sure if you answered this or not, but what I'm asking is this: is the same "eye focus style" that you do to see the magic eye (unfocused, slightly doubled-vision, etc.) the same eye focus style you use when scrying?
I'm not using a magic eye as a metaphor for scrying. I'm asking if the PHYSICAL process is similar (for open-eyed scrying, like staring into a black mirror).
For example, when I've stared into a black mirror, I've never known if I was supposed to let my reflection double, or stare and not let my eyes lose focus, etc.
I can see the magic eye without a problem, but it does take me 30 seconds to a minute sometimes. I want to know if the "aha" moment of a magic eye is similar to that of scrying, because with a magic eye, I know when I have it... So I'm hoping to "train my eyes" to focus in that certain way, and then do that same thing whilst scrying, if that makes sense.
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every human being is different.
you want to see something that is hidden.
why?what is your intent and Will? Are you looking with love in your heart?
You can only see whats not apparent through love.
The key for me was Takamba.
his "presence" made me willing.
he was like that teacher that said, its there if you try and I believed him.
the physical process of what I did biologically to see, that was my metaphor for the carb. it may work for you, but clear vision and clear sences start in the heart. if your heart is not entrained with love then why bother IMO, all you will see is tricks of your sences.
what if you had no eyes to see? or ears to hear? -
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Right, I don't deny that all of that is important... But I'm kind of looking for a more physical response. If I asked "how do I change my oil?" it would be quite strange to tell me I need to make sure I have love in my heart first.
Are you saying Takamba helped you see the planet? Because the vast majority of people can see the planet. People who hate everyone can see the planet. Serial killers could see the planet. It's a wholly physical process. There's nothing magic about magic eyes!
I'm not asking about the "inner truth" of scrying, or how to get meaningful information whilst scrying (although those things are certainly important!). I'm looking for help with the wholly physical and physiological aspects of the practice... And I must say, as important as love is, I can see the magic eye without it, heh.
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There is only "one" hidden image. Unless you count the stars and colors and designs as an image... Anything you're seeing beyond that is coming from YOU, not the magic eye, which means why stop at two? You could scry it and get something different each time. But that's not at all the same as the one image that's been encoded into the picture.
Again, there's nothing magical about magic eyes.
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There are at least three distinct images encoded in that one picture, I see Saturn, I see Saturn getting all lovey with Venus and a little comet shooting out and I can see a strand of DNA. Is it coming from me and not the programmer? Well I do see lots that people don't intend, doesn't mean its not there, maybe I found an Easter Egg.
I can tell you how to change your oil as well, and I will start by telling you that if you Love your car you should get it changed every 3000, miles or 3 months depending, and you should use a nice synthethic blend if you can afford it, and to make sure that they tighten that plug or it will all leak out.
If you didn't love your car then why would you care to change the oil?
I have never been able to see those silly pictures until I was willing to get out of my limations.
Takamba didn't make me do a thing,
he doesn't interfere with my will.
my love for him and trusting that if he said it was there it was.
he was my Saturn, my teacher, my conditioner.If you want to see things that are not there you must be willing, and that comes from the heart.
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You're saying by trusting Takamba, you were able to see the magic eye?
Well, I don't trust him and I can still see the magic eye
But, still not sure about what my eyes should be doing while scrying... If anyone has an answer, I'd love to hear it. Should my eyes be crossed? Should I be seeing "double" when I'm staring into a black mirror?
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mmmhmmm.....
I appreciate your kind words, like always. you know I also appreciate your unkind ones too. I like the nice ones better, but the others ones are what I need.I should go back and fix all those silly little grammar errors and typos though.....
then it really would be beautifully spoken.at least the important ones.
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@Luce said
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Are you saying Takamba helped you see the planet? Because the vast majority of people can see the planet. People who hate everyone can see the planet.** Serial killers could see the planet**. It's a wholly physical process.You're saying by trusting Takamba, you were able to see the magic eye?
Well, I don't trust him and I can still see the magic eye
But, still not sure about what my eyes should be doing while scrying... If anyone has an answer, I'd love to hear it. Should my eyes be crossed? Should I be seeing "double" when I'm staring into a black mirror?"
the vast majority of people who look at that picture do not take the time to look deeper. If you think serial killers do not have Love in their hearts, then you do not know me very well. its the willingness to push past those limits and be open to something new, and that openness comes from feeling safe and loved.
I am saying that when I trust that there is more to see then what is staring me in my face, Ill see it.