Kiblah with regard to non thelemic rituals.
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If we turn to the north for Thelemic work how does it affect non-thelemic or golden dawn rituals?
I accept that the LBRP isn't really to do with elements , Micheal is there for Hod not fire for example but would it have any disparaging effect if you called Micheal in the (real) East?
The supreme invoking ritual seems much more problematic on first glance. Would that be impossible to do from a North beginning?
The Banishing ritual of the hexagram seems safe since one is working from the position of the Sun.I do have a question regarding that though.I'm learning the god forms at the moment and regard Osiris Slain as midday, Mourning of Isis as Sunset, Apophis as Midnight and Osiris risen as morning. Are these the correct attributions?
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@Anchorite said
"If we turn to the north for Thelemic work how does it affect non-thelemic or golden dawn rituals?
I accept that the LBRP isn't really to do with elements , Micheal is there for Hod not fire for example but would it have any disparaging effect if you called Micheal in the (real) East?
The supreme invoking ritual seems much more problematic on first glance. Would that be impossible to do from a North beginning?
The Banishing ritual of the hexagram seems safe since one is working from the position of the Sun.I do have a question regarding that though.I'm learning the god forms at the moment and regard Osiris Slain as midday, Mourning of Isis as Sunset, Apophis as Midnight and Osiris risen as morning. Are these the correct attributions?"
Actually the Banishing ritual is traditionally for the elements, first of all.
Secondly, just choose a direction and stick with it. I would pick East.
As for god-forms, someone is bound to say look at Liber Resh. You could keep yours but I would switch the Osiris risen as morning to Horus crowned & conquering (for it to be Thelemic). " In the Neophyte Ritual of G:
(As it is printed in Equinox I, II, for the old aeon) the Hierophant is the perfected Osiris, who brings the candidate, the natural Osiris, to identity with himself. But in the new Aeon the Hierophant is Horus (Liber CCXX, I, 49) therefore the Candidate will be Horus too. What then is the formula of the initiation of Horus? It will no longer be that of the Man, through Death. It will be the natural growth of the Child. His experiences will no more be regarded as catastrophic. Their hieroglyph is the Fool: the innocent and impotent Harpocrates Babe becomes the Horus Adult by obtaining the Wand. "Der reine Thor" seizes the Sacred Lance. Bacchus becomes Pan. The Holy Guardian Angel is the Unconscious Creature Self - the Spiritual Phallus. His knowledge and conversation contributes occult puberty. It is therefore advisable to replace the name Asar-Un-Nefer by that of Ra-Hoor-Khuit at the outset, and by that of one's own Holy Guardian Angel when it has been communicated."-Liber Samekh65 & 210,
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@Anchorite said
"If we turn to the north for Thelemic work"
We do??? Could you give a little more information about where you're coming from with this? Maybe for the subset of Thelemites who enjoy facing Boleskine, who also happen to be in, say, England, France, or Spain, "north" is generally the way to go... but "north" as a general Thelemic principle? N.E.W.S. to me... (cartography joke...)
Steve
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@Steven Cranmer said
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@Anchorite said
"If we turn to the north for Thelemic work"We do??? Could you give a little more information about where you're coming from with this? Maybe for the subset of Thelemites who enjoy facing Boleskine, who also happen to be in, say, England, France, or Spain, "north" is generally the way to go... but "north" as a general Thelemic principle? N.E.W.S. to me... (cartography joke...)
Steve"
Ah just come in from pub so cant respond to the deep stuff just yet, but must apologise for the privileged field of reference there!
Keep forgetting the colonies -
(I've been thinking more over the BHR and I'm wondering if it needs it's own topic. If it doesn't get many replies here I'll start a new thread).
If all rituals are 'abrogate' surely the BRH has been totally fossilized?
(Forgive me for any shortfalls in my knowledge here)
As far as I can tell the IAO formula was the hight of worship of the Osirian era. Osiris or the hanged man's sacrifice and resurrection we see is no longer true. The sun never dies and this paradigm of the continuity of existence can be reflected in our evolving consciousness. As was quoted by Aum418 "It will be the natural growth of the Child. His experiences will no more be regarded as catastrophic. .
Of course we still have IAO as , practice, discipline knowledge and growth, indeed the historical and personal history of humanity.
So therefore Aum14 ,the IAO concept has not changed in practical matters, our expanding consciousness has seen that the Apophis stage is not death but merely 'the child has fallen over and has to pick itself up' the archetype of Ra Hoor Kuit?.
This seems fine on the surface but it would have the minor annoyance of changing the Analysis of the Keyword to IAH or IAORHK, as well as the much larger problem of needing to remove the INRI part completely. INRI is irrevocably linked to the Calvary Cross (especially to me as an ex catholic)and so to death which is asserted in Thelema as being merely a lack of perception and knowledge.
I can only see therefore the entire ritual as being defunct, based on a flawed premise with the only value left in it as being a history tome.In practical terms, the knowledge of the formation of the hexagrams and their planetary correspondences are vital however! It's just the keyword that now totally fails to resonate with me.
So what to do?
I suppose I could move on to the Star Sapphire , yet that hasn't got the planetary invocations necessary for general magical work.
In 'The Probationers Handbook' by Mortimer he gives a Thelemic Ritual of the Hexagram I'm going to give that a try for a while and see how that pans out - obviously I couldn't post more than a certain amount of copy written material.
However I can say he gives the Keyword as VIAOV (does this equate to FIAOF?) , in the analysis invokes the Thelemic Trinity and instructs one to use the NOX signs
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VIAOV - of course hits head V- Hierophant -HGA-RHK - the initiator of the Aeon. I guess I could adjust the original BRH with this formula ) -
@Anchorite said
"If all rituals are 'abrogate' surely the BRH has been totally fossilized?"
Under its G.D. form, I think it has been outgrown except that not everybody has individually maturedi nto the New Aeon. I find a lot of people who, in most respects, are credibly self-identified Thelemites who find an emotional relationship to the particular patterns of the older forms.
The classic Osirian form does touch some important patterns in the human psyche - among others, the emotional layering of grief, rage, and acceptance with respect to death and other death-like transformations. So, in that sense, I continue to respect it and can't regard it as merely a fossil.
However, for the record, Temple of Thelema's Second Order uses the hexagram ritual but not with that Osiris formula. There is a different formula, rooted in Liber L. and one of the other Holy Books.
"As far as I can tell the IAO formula was the hight of worship of the Osirian era. Osiris or the hanged man's sacrifice and resurrection we see is no longer true."
I would say, rather, that we now see past the old interpretation of this. The Path of Mem still has to be crossed by the Adeptus Minor 5=6 en route to Adeptus Major 6=5, but it looks different than it has in centuries past.
"The sun never dies"
Exactly!
"So therefore Aum14 ,the IAO concept has not changed in practical matters, our expanding consciousness has seen that the Apophis stage is not death but merely 'the child has fallen over and has to pick itself up' the archetype of Ra Hoor Kuit?."
IAO is a mantram of ecstasy, and particularly of solar-themed ecstasy. Ecstasy is annihilative. Apophis is orgasm, for example, which shatters the perception of separation between the copulating Isis and Osiris. There's no need to change IAO, just to understand it more deeply (as it always should have been understood).
"as well as the much larger problem of needing to remove the INRI part completely."
Despite its historic roots, I've personally seen no need to remove I.N.R.I. from the picture. It's a powerful formula which, among other things, communicates that "All of nature is nenewed by fire," i.e., that Nephesh is renewed and vitalized by the touch of Neshamah. The number 270 is also quite significant in our particular work. I don't give a fig what Roman soldiers allegedly thought they were spelling with it
"I suppose I could move on to the Star Sapphire , yet that hasn't got the planetary invocations necessary for general magical work.
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Do you know that the original G.D. teaching of the hexagram ritual used the Qabalistic Cross before and after instead of the Analysis of the Key-Word. While you're sorting this out you could still make this substitution and have leverage of planetary hexagrams. -
Do What Thou Wilt Shall Be the Whole of the Law.
I've been hesitant to post a reply until I experimented and recorded the results that Jim suggested above. I find after meditating on the INRI and especially Yod Nun Resh Yod and then 'letting the mind go' while in the god forms many things occur; images, thoughts, feelings and on a few occasions even visions.
I then keep that 'vibration' or 'Current' from Isis and then go immediately on to Apophis where the same build of images and emotions and yes power (even in death) leads on to the Risen Osiris (or Horus). Three distinct and powerful forms that are flowing through my essence one on top of the other then of course repeated during LUX.
I use VIAOV for the final exultation (IAO under the lord initiator of the Aeon). However I only use the IAO god forms in the lead up.In this way I seem to have managed to greatly build up the cosmic orgasmic death and resurrection currents before calling the light to descend, the light then comes down around me in two air ;ike hexagrams or diamonds. One from the crown to the feet and the other horizontally across the chest making a two diamond cross
Is this familiar to anyone?
The Christian 'shells' seem to have dispersed.
Love is the Law
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