Invocation or possession?
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I've been wondering about invocation. I've practiced various kinds, supplication( which I consider evocation), assumption of god form, etc.
Now I was thinking which of these two would be more correct,a) Invocation by Assuming of Personality- For example, if you invoke Jupiter, you act "as if" you were Jupiter within the ritual, attempt to think as Jupiter would, attempting to align your thoughts and actions with what your conception of Jupiter is. To sum it up, this type of invocation would be based on researching the God Form to be invoked and then attempting to act as if you were the entity in the ritual.
In this type of invocation, the magickian can experience the God and use the force of the God.
b) Invocation by asking the God to manifest and providing space- in this type of invocation, after the words and gestures calling in the God, the magickian quiets herself and her will, and gives time for the invoked force to manifest through it's own through her. In other words, instead of acting and thinking like the God (like in A),the magicikan quiets her mind and allows the God to manifest on it's own of it's own accord with no help from the magickian.
In this type of invocation, the magickian allows the God to enter, by providing a vacuum to allow the god to enter, as if in a possession, and it's the God's will that is being done.Which of these do you think is more 'correct' or 'right' for a magickian and why?
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@Blythe A. Blanche said
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@Ash said
"Isn't one already the incarnation of their HGA?"Actually, that does make sense. I'm always outsmarted by you.
It's a good learning experience though. "You're intelligent, and I take great joy in playing devil's advocate with intelligent people.
As far as the examples you gave, I don't disagree with any of those (nor do I really know much about them!) but the idea of one person causing incarnation of their own HGA in another person (who is another star) doesn't make sense to me.
Then again, the idea of one's HGA communicating through another person doesn't make a ton of sense (i.e. in the Abramelin Operation, a child may be used as the clairvoyant - doesn't that defeat the purpose of uniting with the HGA?)... but I suppose I'm missing something, since the Yechidah is "The Only One," and because there is no actual separation between us. -
Wow. So I guess it comes down to the HGA being the 'core' of the individual or an external entity. From what I understand Crowley held the former view during his earlier days and then his opinion developed toward the external entity HGA in his final days.
Now in regards to invocation, how would you best approach your HGA in invocation.a) 'assume' the personality of the HGA (in other words, you invoke the HGA and then 'act' as if you were the HGA in ritual...)..i*n this case the HGA is initially a creation of the will, a masque or personality which you wear in ritual to get to know the HGA and it's power
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orb) Be quiet and allow the HGA to manifest in you / as a possession. The HGA is an external being in this option.
???????????????Which of these would you take to approach the Bornless Ritual, A or B ?? why??????????
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@Mahanta70 said
" From what I understand Crowley held the former view during his earlier days and then his opinion developed toward the external entity HGA in his final days."
Crowley gave different answers at different times, but saying this means that the motivation was that his belief changed is making an assumption.
Sometimes a person gives different answers, because she's being asked by a different person.
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@Alrah said
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@Mahanta70 said
"Now in regards to invocation, how would you best approach your HGA in invocation.a) 'assume' the personality of the HGA (in other words, you invoke the HGA and then 'act' as if you were the HGA in ritual...)..i*n this case the HGA is initially a creation of the will, a masque or personality which you wear in ritual to get to know the HGA and it's power
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orb) Be quiet and allow the HGA to manifest in you / as a possession. The HGA is an external being in this option.
???????????????Which of these would you take to approach the Bornless Ritual, A or B ?? why??????????"
Neither. I think there's a faulty premise in both options."
I agree with Alrah. Be wary of using rational logic to attempt to understand the Angel, because it doesn't work. I've made that mistake many times.
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@Mahanta70 said
"Now in regards to invocation, how would you best approach your HGA in invocation."
From One Star in Sight:
"It is impossible to lay down precise rules by which a man may attain to the knowledge and conversation of His Holy Guardian Angel; for that is the particular secret of each one of us; a secret not to be told or even divined by any other, whatever his grade. It is the Holy of Holies, whereof each man is his own High Priest, and none knoweth the Name of his brother’s God, or the Rite that invokes Him."