Briatic consciousness without asana regime?

gerry456

www.youtube.com/watch?v=T96_AOYwi

Jim, circa 30 minutes into your youtube lecture you discuss the step to Briatic consciousness which, to be blunt, is awareness of our passive- observer of thoughts. This is achievable without the Crowleyan asanas ...... or is it? That is, we could just sit still, relax and disidentify with the consciousness that attaches to physical sensations....feelings.............desires..............preferences.............memories...opinions...........reverie............thoughts..........

Jim Eshelman

Since you narrowed your question to "the Crowleyan asanas" then sure, yes, there's nothing special about them. They're just examples. The one task on this in the A.'.A.'. testing is that you choose an asana and, for an hour, "chosen posture shall be perfectly steady and easy."

If, however, I were to answer the question solely as expressed in your subject line, my answer would be: I suppose it isn't necessary, except that as long as the body is getting in the way it takes a dramatically greater amount of mental skill to get the body out of the way.

gerry456

I'm very much inclined to degree as I learnt a dis-identifying method. This method involved lying still and slowly becoming aware of each layer and what it consists of and then finally dis identifying. I had no asana regime then and I feel it was good, but somehow lacking as it didn't address the body. Liber E does.

gerry456

Jim you described Arch Freemasonry as a path to Briatic consciousness. How so? As far as I know Masons are not required to do the GW (asana, dharana so on) but they are involved in rituals.

Jim Eshelman

@gerry456 said

"Jim you described Arch Freemasonry as a path to Briatic consciousness."

I doubt I did that. I suspect you are recalling one of the times when I said that the ritual symbolizes withdrawing the three specific veils that are suspended through Raja Yoga, to disclose that which is hidden within.

But that's just a symbolic rite. I have no reason to believe that (other than in the rare, one in a millionth person who is perfectly primed) it would actually be "a path to Briatic consciousness" for anyone.

gerry456

I found it Jim thanks www.youtube.com/watch?v=T96_AOYwi 29m45s in, yes you describe Briatic consciousness as being symbolized by that particular Masonic degree. What are those symbols? The 3rd degree tracing board? ; en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Masonic_ritual_and_symbolism#/media/File:Thirdtracing1.jpg

Jim Eshelman

The core element (with all the story elements wrapped around it in the different jurisdictions and variations) is that one approaches the inmost mystery through a narrow passageway where three veils are withdrawn (physical sensation, reactive emotion, and intellect), behind one which find the inmost secret, preserved through all time, which is ineffable (or, at least, cannot be pronounced alone).

When delivered well, it at least places one in the right psychological state to behold the mystery.

gerry456

@Jim Eshelman said

"The core element (with all the story elements wrapped around it in the different jurisdictions and variations) is that one approaches the inmost mystery through a narrow passageway where three veils are withdrawn (physical sensation, reactive emotion, and intellect), behind one which find the inmost secret, preserved through all time, which is ineffable (or, at least, cannot be pronounced alone).

When delivered well, it at least places one in the right psychological state to behold the mystery."

That's cool.

Hermitas

Hmm.. That's interesting. I'm definitely at a loss for not knowing these stories that go along with grades/experiences.