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i have been trying to write a few of my own rituals lately, but i have came across a stumbling block, and i was wondering if any of you with alot of knowledge on this could help me understand.
i have been trying to put in the rituals i am working on the different LVX and NOX signs as well as the osiris slain & risen and also the AA signs of 1=10 to 4=7, oh yeah and the 0=0 signs of the enterer and silence. anyways personally i havent found much informaiton on really what these mean. there is only very very basic material given for what these signs mean, which in my opinion definetly is not enough to write rituals with. for example here is about as much as i have found on these:
LVX= L is female mother energy? V is death and destruction energy, also RHK? X is malkuthian energy where you live on through your children?
NOX= N=male son creation energy? O=father therion, OX energy?
X=mother/whore creation energy?
element signs= 1=10 earth? 2=9v air? 3=8 water? 4=7 fire?but this is very little info on these signs, can anyone help me with more information of what these signs really mean?? any and all help i am sure will help me broaden the menaing of each of these signs, thanks!
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@bethata418 said
"i have been trying to put in the rituals i am working on the different LVX and NOX signs as well as the osiris slain & risen and also the AA signs of 1=10 to 4=7, oh yeah and the 0=0 signs of the enterer and silence. anyways personally i havent found much informaiton on really what these mean."
This is a tough one. In general, one doesn't really come to understand those until one attains the grade corresponding. At least, that's the way it always was with me - the feel and bioenergetic quality and mythic elements etc. all converged in moments of recognition of what was present from the degree state.
One thing you can go with is the mythic-deific quality of each. The illustration in the front of Magick in Theory & Practice is good at identifying these.
Mostly, though, one learns about the signs from giving the signs - it's a "meditation in motion." The amount of formal instruction on them is sparse, and, when it exists, is usually part of obligated materials (not in the A.'.A.'. - where there essentially isn't any! - but in other sources).
"there is only very very basic material given for what these signs mean, which in my opinion definetly is not enough to write rituals with."
You've got as much as any of the rest of us had, boyo!
"for example here is about as much as i have found on these:
LVX= L is female mother energy? V is death and destruction energy, also RHK?"Not bad - though the latter is more pointedly the Typhon-Apophis aspect. Admittedly, this (especially in the sense of Peh) may not seem too different from the globe-crushing aspect of RHK.
"X is malkuthian energy where you live on through your children?"
NOT!
Remember, all of the L.V.X. signs refer to Tiphereth. That's the key. They are all solar.
On the X sign - don't miss the fact that the position of the arms intersecting the heart center is specifically a (primary) form of the Rosy Cross. - Remember also that these are in context of the Orders where they are employed. In the old Golden Dawn, upon reaching 5=6 one received the second baldric, so that one is wearing crossed baldrics (one from each shoulder). Wearing the crossed baldrics is an interchangeable symbol with having the arms crossed.
And this one sign has so much history and has had so many small variations of manifestation through history and religion etc. that a full article could be written on it.
"NOX= N=male son creation energy? O=father therion, OX energy?
X=mother/whore creation energy?"IMHO you are missing the key idea of those signs which are, respectively, the 6=5 sign, the 7=4 sign, and the second half of the 7=4 Maj. (Babe of the Abyss) sign.
You have perhaps missed that the 6=5 sign (Puer) is the classic posture of The Magician in tarot - one hand raised on high to receive from above, while the other hand points the "wand" toward the garden. This is exactly the right state of mind of the Adeptus Major. And perhaps you didn't notice that the 7=4 sign (Vir) expresses the archetype of ram-headed Amoun, the Egyptian divinity associated with Chesed (who takes on even more significance because of His role in the Golden Dawn 5=6 ceremony, and then in many poems and rituals written by Crowley in the years between his Vault ceremony and the birthing of these signs).
"element signs= 1=10 earth? 2=9v air? 3=8 water? 4=7 fire?"
Yes, exactly. But there are pieces of what these mean that are given in the Golden Dawn First Order rituals, among other places. (One learns to use them, and deeper aspects of their meaning in terms of consciousness and energy movement, in the various degrees of Temple of Thelema, then brings them together in the Work of the 5°.)
"but this is very little info on these signs, can anyone help me with more information of what these signs really mean??"
What does this question mean?
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I just realized there is a simpler answer to your original question.
Your question, as stated, involves how you could incorporate these into rituals you are writing. The most direct piece of information is that these are specifically signs of A.'.A.'. grades, and therefore have exact Sephirothic attributions. They should be used when you intend to activate the consciousness of the Sephiroth corresponding to the grades to which the signs apply:
0=0 - Sign of the Enterer & Sign of Silence
1=10 (Malkuth, Earth) - Sign of Set Fighting
2=9 (Yesod, Air) - Sign of Shu
3=8 (Hod, Water) - Sign of Auramoth
4=8 (Netzach, Fire) - Sign of Thoum-Aesch-Neith
Dom. Lim. (Paroketh, 4=7 Maj.) - Opening & Closing the Veil
5=6 (Tiphereth) - the L.V.X. signs
6=5 (Geburah) - Puer
7=4 (Chesed) - Vir
Babe of the Abyss (Da'ath, 7=4 Maj.) - Puella & Mulier
8=3 (Binah) - Mater Triumphans
9=2 & 10=1 unpublishedIt's just another "Table of Correspondences." When these signs are used in other known rituals, these are the exact meanigns - for example, when the N.O.X. signs are used in The Star Ruby, they appear at a point where consciousness has been returned to Tiphereth and now begins its ascent through the next set of grades.
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thank you jim for your reply this info did help me. i have tried also looking at these signs meanings through the AA grades before.
i guess as time goes by i will realise there meanings more and more.
i would like to show you my main problem right now, it is trying to find the corresponing signs to the powers of the sphinx:
to will= sign of VIR
to know= sign of mulier (or maybe sign of puella)
to dare= sign of puer
to be silent= sign of hoor paar kraat
to go= sign of the enterer (or maybe mater triumphans)so what do you think of these corresponds?
also would you say that the signs match up to the AA degree correspondance sephiroth pretty well?
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but this is very little info on these signs, can anyone help me with more information of what these signs really mean??What does this question mean?
well i was basically saying the info on what these signs mean is very little and basically any more info on this would be great help.
thanks for your help
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Fr.418
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@bethata418 said
"i would like to show you my main problem right now, it is trying to find the corresponing signs to the powers of the sphinx:"
It depends on the model you're using. You've used an ecletic mix of things. You could, for example, just use the traditional correspondences of the Powers to the Elements and use:
Knowledge - 2=9 Sign
Will - 1=10 Sign
Courage - 4=7 Sign
Silence - 3=8 Sign"also would you say that the signs match up to the AA degree correspondance sephiroth pretty well?"
Opinion (which you asked for) - you're putting far too much focus on the Adept grade signs. Stay below Tiphereth.
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cool thanks for your help, i see your correspondance to the powers of the sphinx by elements. but are you saying the powers of the sphinx should be seen as under tiphareth?
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fr418
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@bethata418 said
"cool thanks for your help, i see your correspondance to the powers of the sphinx by elements. but are you saying the powers of the sphinx should be seen as under tiphareth?"
The building of the foundation of the pyramid - formed from the Four Powers of the Sphinx - begins in Malkuth. It reaches a type of synthetic completion at Tiphereth, but continues until perfected at Chesed.
They are essentially elemental by attribution, so the correspondence to the field of the Elements - first in Malkuth itself, and later expanded through the lower Sephiroth especially - would usually be considered foremost.
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thanks for the help again. to tell you the truth i cant really see how they grow all the way up to chesed, but maybe one day i will. i can see how it could grow up to tiphareth.
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One of the most important Chesed symbols is the pyramid complete except for its capstone - as on the Great Seal of the United States - the four-fold top and the near-completed item (like the Temple of Solomon at the legendary point of Hiram Abiff's death, complete except for the Holy of Holies at its top).
The pyramid rising upward, approaching but not yet reaching its single point where all things converge, standing in the open desert beneath the Body of Nuit at night is one of the most communicative symbols of the 7=4 Grade - awaiting, patiently, for its completion by the descent of the Supernals (usually shown as an Eye in the Triangle or, rather, in the pyramid).
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yeah i can see that, the king is SOLOMON, who built the temple, which is the pyramid. so i can see that. but to me it really doesnt look like a pyrimad. of course after crossing the abyss you are (more or less of you or none) in the city of pyrimids. does this have more to do with the mystery of the sphinx? you no longer work on your pyrimid when in the city of pyrimads???
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