thelema & christianity
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To quote Robert Ambelain:
Man is composed of
Neschamah (Divine Spark) SHIN
Ruach (Mediator) ALEPH
Nephesch (Form) MEMMan was emanated as Neschmah (Adam Kadmon).
Genesis says that "male and female created him" The divine spark was polarized and there was a neschamah male and female. So we see that Adam Kadomn has the association Chokmah-Binah.Do you agree with any of this?
Also, I'd like to hear any info on the interplay between Adam Kadmon vs. Adam, and between EVE & ADAM. What does the Kabbalah tell us of their relationships and states to one another?
Thanks!
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@DJHOHL said
"Do you agree with any of this?"
I agree with the composition of Neshamah, Ruach, Nephesh - and the attribution of the three Mother Letters is traditional, and perfectly good symbolism. (The translation is a bit whacked, but it communicates well enough.)
No, I wouldn't represent the emanation that way. This may be a semantics issue, though. By "human" (what is apparently meant by "man" here) I mean the animal that has evolved up to the more sophisticated animal, and happens to be the housing of a particular Star at present. So I don't start talking about it as originating in Neshemah. On the other hand, the Star itself - the incarnated spiritual being - is Neshamic inherently.
"male and female created him" - The ideal (primarily as evolved from Greek thought) is always the apex of a triangle, the transcendant synthesis of a polarity, so in that sense it is so. But this is only one particular polarity. You could model it in any of several ways, of course, and the above sounds very gnostic-kabbalistic, something of the flavor of the 13th Century Spanish kabbalists, though I don't recognize the particular source.
The key thing to remember about Adam Qadmon, though, is that it is the collective of humanity - not a particular or individual human at all, except to the extent that the individual is identified with the Human Archetypal Ideal of the whole of humanity in Tiphereth.
"Also, I'd like to hear any info on the interplay between Adam Kadmon vs. Adam, and between EVE & ADAM. What does the Kabbalah tell us of their relationships and states to one another?"
To the extent that Adam doesn't mean a particular person - i.e., to the extent that it is understood simply as the word for "humanity" - it is still "typical" (non-ideal, non-archetypal) humanity. Adam Qadmon, the Primal Humanity, is the transcendant ideal behind the iindivuals.
I would have to go to an hour or so of research to know if anything I've written here matches source literature - but what you asked is whether I agreed with it, so that's what I answered <vbg>.
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@Jim Eshelman said
"You could model it in any of several ways, of course, and the above sounds very gnostic-kabbalistic, something of the flavor of the 13th Century Spanish kabbalists, though I don't recognize the particular source.
."Interesting that you say this because Ambelain was a member of the Elus-Cohen which was originally founded by Martinez de Pasqually. " Born in Grenoble, of Spanish descent, Martines Pasquales received his authority to transmit the ancient teachings from his father, who was granted a Masonic charter from Charles Stuart, "King of Scotland, Ireland, and England," dated May, 20, 1738." It is thought that Pasqually's family in Spain had access to 13th century Kabbalah documents that were taken during the inquisition.
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Impressive sourcing.
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Revelations! I keep searching for references on gematria of Revelations, but my searches never turn up much of interest, really. Yes, there are the curious numbers 666 and 144,000, but I'd also like to understand more about the actual "armageddon" scenerio.
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Proverbs is an excellent place to start for hermetic thought in the bible. Song of Solomon/Canticles as also excellent, but hard to understand. All of the ancient mediterrenian religions have tremendous cross-over, and many of them even shared scripture (the book of enoch, and a lot of what was attributed to Hermes Trismagistus, for example, were studied by both christers and jews).
The first five books of the old testament can be traced back to Assyrian and Babalonian religion, while the Psalms were origionaly written inside the tombs of KMT. Some of the Psalms (alternate translations, but definitely the same chapters in Psalms) were even found in Tibetan Lamasaries!
Thelema is actualy a first cousin of Christianity (the origional Thelema was Threskia, a Greek mystery religion), so I wouldn't worry about sucking their scriptures dry for any enlightening info you can get from them! In fact, don't stop there! Raid the holy writ of the Hindu, and Taoist as well! Don't let other peoples biases (or even your own!) hold you back! Such is the illusion of duality (all religions are in fact ONE). Sin = Restriction!
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I don't like to bring this up, but it does seem like a lot of the "Biblical prophecies," as related to me by my mother, are coming true:
Global Warming: Be Worried. Be Very Worried
www.time.com/time/covers/0,16641,1101060403,00.htmlYes, the Bible apparently predicts all sorts of natural disasters just prior to Armageddon.
The way the economy seems to be going, I shall wait for the day when a day's wages can barely buy me a loaf of bread... if that time ever comes, what will you all be thinking? (edit: this day is already here in many places, but not globally).
Related thoughts: Horus is the template on which Christ was built, yes? So, could Armageddon and the coming of the Aeon of Horus be one and the same? (Forgive my ignorance, I don't know much about Horus and am only beginning to really learn as of last Saturday due to some insights I recently had).
Bringing this thread back to Qabalah: Any "end times" stuff jump out at any Bible-reading Thelemites who might have some experience cross-referencing with Egyptian texts or Liber Al Vel Legis?
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"before i return there shall be earthquakes,floods and.the children shall rise up against their parents"
mathew?
are the present batch of teens/children more disrespectful nowadays?
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93 i personally dont think disrespectful, but they decide to make there own desicions and find there own will at a eariler age then in the past. in the past i think teens followed there parents values and beliefs instead of finding or figuring there own. 93s fr418
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@Redd Fezz said
"I don't like to bring this up, but it does seem like a lot of the "Biblical prophecies," as related to me by my mother, are coming true"
In his final comments on the Aeon card in The Book of Thoth Crowley seems to suggest that we may be heading for trouble.
"It is also important to study very thoroughly, and maditate upon, this Book, in order to appreciate the spiritual, moral, and material events which have marked the catastrphic transition from the Aeon of Osiris. The time for the birth of an Aeon seems to be indicated by great concentration of political power with the accompanying improvements in the means of travel and communication, with a general advance in philosophy and science, with a general need of consolidation in religous thought. It is very instructive to compare the events of the five hundred years preceding and following the crisis of approximately 2,000 years ago, with those of similar periods centred in 1904 of the old era. It is a thought far from comforting to the present generation, that 500 years of Dark Ages are likely to be upon us. But, if the analogy holds, that is the case. Fortunately, to-day we have brighter torches and more-torch-bearers."
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@Jim Eshelman said
"The big deal is that 888 is 3 x 296, 1,480 is 5 x 296, and their sum 2,368 is therefore, of course, 8 x 296. Totally ignoring what 296 might be at the moment, the main big deal here is that the numbers 888 : 1,480 : 2,368 are in the same precise ratio as 3 : 5 : 8."
So, Jim, what might 296 be?
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@Hruodberh said
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@Jim Eshelman said
"The big deal is that 888 is 3 x 296, 1,480 is 5 x 296, and their sum 2,368 is therefore, of course, 8 x 296. Totally ignoring what 296 might be at the moment, the main big deal here is that the numbers 888 : 1,480 : 2,368 are in the same precise ratio as 3 : 5 : 8."So, Jim, what might 296 be?"
The big thing - the really big thing here - is that the numbers are in the ration 3 : 5 : 8. It doesn't matter what the underlying factor is. The most important meaning is that one particular ratio.
There are words enumerating to 296 from which one could derive meaning, and I'm hesitant to do so - I think that would be muddying things, adding personal projections on nonessentials.
One thing, though, that bears importance is that these are all parts of the 37 series. That's really key. 296, for example, is 8 x 37 (2-cubed times 37, which probably follows the 2-4-8 development chain that matures into Logos-expression).
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I've noticed a lot of Pi and Phi in related word values in the 'pocalypse of Juan. Have you published any Greek gematria findings, Jim?