Star Ruby
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@Her said
"So would it be fair to say that Iunges, Sunoches, and Teletarchai loosely correspond with the alchemical principles of Sulphur, Salt, and Mercury respectively?"
At like to think so, since that was originally my argument back in the '80s
"And Daimonos is a kind of mixture or expression of the previous three combined?"
It isn't listed in the Oracles as part of the set of three, so it's... something else, perhaps much as you described.
"Just out of interest, why do you use the spelling Daimonos instead of Daimones. I've noticed this difference of spelling in various published versions of the Star Ruby. The Book of Lies and the current version of MAGICK Book 4 (DuQuette also) use Daimones."
I don't have the article at hand (here at work) to examine. I think the one is a typo.
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Hi All,
Do what thou wilt shall be the whole of the Law.
I'm really glad someone started this thread as I had no idea I needed it!
Thanks!
Also, Jim could you explain what the Black Pearl was/is? I assume it's a journal for ToT. Is it possible to obtain copies, etc?
Love is the law, love under will.
Thanks,
Y. S.
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I've been studying the images of the Star Ruby guardians that Jim kindly posted.
They seem fairly straight forward in construction, but Teletarchai is proving to be a little stubborn.
I'm guessing that the two Tau's are represented by the black robe. And the two Epsilon's relate to the Star. The position of the figure balancing the two globes relates to the letter Lambda. Chi-rho is the labarum worn at the waist.
But I'm having trouble placing the two Alpha's and the final Iota.
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@Her said
"I've been studying the images of the Star Ruby guardians that Jim kindly posted.
They seem fairly straight forward in construction, but Teletarchai is proving to be a little stubborn. I'm guessing that the two Tau's are represented by the black robe."
Yes - black or indigo robe, and overall physique.
"And the two Epsilon's relate to the Star."
The second one does. The firstone applies to the face: human, humane, idealistic expression intended, etc.
"The position of the figure balancing the two globes relates to the letter Lambda."
Very good! Excellent catch. Yes, the figure's arms form the equilibrating shape of the letter Lambda itself.
"Chi-rho is the labarum worn at the waist."
You got half of it. The other half are the two globes equilibrated. Chi Rho are taken as analogous to Cheth (Cancer = Moon) and Resh (Sun), hence the Sun-Moon balance. Also, the belt is supposed to be golden colored, and the disk silver, but these didn't come out so clearly.
"But I'm having trouble placing the two Alpha's and the final Iota.
"The overall slenderness of the figure - main shape of the body etc. - plus the last one conjoins with the Iota to both infer the wings on the feet.
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Thanks Jim!
The image makes a lot more sense now. And it's nice to know that I was on the right track.@Jim Eshelman said
"The second one does. The first one applies to the face: human, humane, idealistic expression intended, etc."
Apart from the youthful, idealistic expression, is the apparent androgyny of the face intentional? I would guess so because of the whole theme of balance present in the image of Teletarchai.
I can also see now how Teletarchai combines the ideas of alchemical Mercury and the entire Middle Pillar. Very neat.
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Hi Everyone,
Do what thou wilt shall be the whole of the Law.
I've now been doing the Star Ruby to begin my daily meditation(s) and/or other rituals/exercises since 3/01 and now I've got some questions. First though, I must comment on the fact that I've simply left understanding of the Beings at the Quarters until I got the ritual down such that I can do it smoothly and confidently and not just by rote. Also, since they're outside the circle I figure that's ok for now. The visual I have is of hooded beings, head slightly bowed, garbed in roughly the elemental colors with one up front and many others behind such that the first is an apex of a triangle. It 'feels' like they're waiting patiently. I've been concentrating on the Qabalistic Cross portion and getting the visualization of the white light in the column to be of cosmic proportions (ditto with the horizontal).
The first question needs a little background: Last year I started doing the LBRP on my own and had an interesting visualization. I found myself both standing in the sign of Osiris Slain as an adult male and concurrently, floating, at what would be about chest high, as a baby on my back. The 'space' is nearly completely black and, I guess, infinite, but also curiously enough the 'floor' is possibly obsidian and at the same time 'not existent'. Last week, during meditation (after the Star Ruby) I realized with a start that the Pentagrams and the Circle connecting them are orange (or the color of flames). Seems to me now that this could be 'someplace' like Tiphareth of Yesod in Assiah. I hardly care. However, this is where 'I am' during the Star Ruby. It's the most powerful 'visual' I've had since moving along this path of Magick and Yoga.
My first questions are this: Why orange? And. Is this OK for such a ritual?
Next: IAO. I've read so much material in the last two years and it's all just stuffed in my bodymind, but during the ritual a week or two ago(I'd have to check the exact date--no matter) I had a thought that it equates roughly to I. N. R. I. Now that I've written this I'll be able to remember to check.
Is this the case?
And: N.O.X.--I.O.P.A.N. are these signs being used to call PAN down through the Four Worlds?
That's what I'm feeling; so that's how I'm using them.
And lastly for this long post
: For many weeks I had been doing the Star Ruby at both the beginning and end of each session. For the past two days I said the hell with it, let the energies flow! It feels right. And I sure could use any positive influence right now 'cuz I'm looking some serious challenges straight in the face. Those affected outside of myself have been really quite understanding and have been over-the-top helpful during these critical days; so maybe it's helped.Ok, this is by far the longest post I've made. Thanks in advance. Everyone here has really added 'value' and 'depth' to this forum. Love and Respect to all.
Love is the law, love under will.
In L.V.X.,
Fr. Z. T.
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@Zo Telegraphema said
"My first questions are this: Why orange? And. Is this OK for such a ritual?"
I can't say for sure. Anything is an educated guess. As you say, it's a flame color. Orange, though, is also the color of Resh - that is, of the Sun as a planet (and the main presence of Sol on the Tree for those who haven't attained to Tiphereth). Maybe?
"Next: IAO. I've read so much material in the last two years and it's all just stuffed in my bodymind, but during the ritual a week or two ago(I'd have to check the exact date--no matter) I had a thought that it equates roughly to I. N. R. I. Now that I've written this I'll be able to remember to check.
Is this the case?"
As the "Analysis of the Keyword" section of the Hexagram Ritual shows, IAO is hidden in (and derivable from) the "key" of I.N.R.I.
"And: N.O.X.--I.O.P.A.N. are these signs being used to call PAN down through the Four Worlds? "
"Pan" means "all." This isn't a goat god per se - it's "The All."
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Heru wrote:
"That makes it consistent with the attributions of the Lesser Ritual of the Hexagram and thus is macrocosmic and relates to the Second Order."JAE wrote:
"BTW - to correct a common error - that is only the order used for the Hexagram ritual inside the vault. If you are outside the vault (or its equivalent), the Elements are to be deployed exactly the same as for the pentagram issue. - That information is AFAIK unpublished."93,
I have a question about one small piece in this instructive thread.
Is the Macrocosmic elemental scheme mentioned above also applicable to the use of the Pentagram Rituals within the vault or on the astral plane similar to the Hexagram rituals as you mention above?93 93/93,
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@howardb said
"Is the Macrocosmic elemental scheme mentioned above also applicable to the use of the Pentagram Rituals within the vault or on the astral plane similar to the Hexagram rituals as you mention above?"
One form of the Supreme Ritual of the Pentagram does use the Macrocosmic directions, yes. It isn't commonly used - Pentagrams within the Vault (or Vault-equivalent space) are rare in and of themselves, the elemental forms being usually worked only below Tiphereth - but there are other ways to allocate them, of course.
From my personal work, I wrote a version of the Pentagram Ritual called the Phoenix Ritual of the Pentagram which is part of the T.'.O.'.T.'. 6° curriculum. It's based on a discovery concerning one common allocation of names to the Quarters which turns out to map to the Macrocosmic scheme.
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JAE wrote:
"One form of the Supreme Ritual of the Pentagram does use the Macrocosmic directions, yes. It isn't commonly used - Pentagrams within the Vault (or Vault-equivalent space) are rare in and of themselves, the elemental forms being usually worked only below Tiphereth - but there are other ways to allocate them, of course.Thanks for the feedback, this is quite instructive. In some of my research I have come across an instance where a version of the Watchtower Ceremony was performed in the Vault. In that case, they used the common directions for the elemental pentagrams.
So what of when working in the astral? Would one use the common directions for the elements. An example: I am in my temple space, seated facing east, I enter my body of light and perform a LBRP, would I follow the usual pattern in the LBRP?
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@howardb said
"So what of when working in the astral? Would one use the common directions for the elements. An example: I am in my temple space, seated facing east, I enter my body of light and perform a LBRP, would I follow the usual pattern in the LBRP?"
"Astral" - in its most common meaning - is Yetziratic. Also, Yetzirah and Assiah are generally intended by "microcosmic" in this type, whereas "macrocosmic" in this sort of conversation generally means Briatic. Yes, the microcosmic directions are those routinely used in classical astral work.
If, however, "astral" is used (as it sometimes is) to mean the entire nonphysical aspect of a being, then there are levels of this "astral" that are Briatic.
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JAE wrote:
"Astral" - in its most common meaning - is Yetziratic. Also, Yetzirah and Assiah are generally intended by "microcosmic" in this type, whereas "macrocosmic" in this sort of conversation generally means Briatic. Yes, the microcosmic directions are those routinely used in classical astral work."If, however, "astral" is used (as it sometimes is) to mean the entire nonphysical aspect of a being, then there are levels of this "astral" that are Briatic."
Yes, as far as astral I meant Yetziratic, thanks for catching that. I guess I have been somewhat confused and was equating Yetzirah with the Vault but I think what you have been saying is that the Vault is macrocosmic (Briah)?
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@Jim Eshelman said
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@Her said
"Just out of interest, why do you use the spelling Daimonos instead of Daimones. I've noticed this difference of spelling in various published versions of the Star Ruby. The Book of Lies and the current version of MAGICK Book 4 (DuQuette also) use Daimones."I don't have the article at hand (here at work) to examine. I think the one is a typo."
"Daimones" would be right, being plural like the other three. "Daimonos" is genitive singular, so ÎÎ 'ÎΡÎΣ΀ÎΡΠÎÎÎÎÎÎÎΣ would be either a syntactical abomination, or meaning "and on the left of the demon is..." Daimones! Daimones! Daimones!
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In Liber ABA pt. 3 Crowley writes that the Star Ruby does the planetary banishings too, well, because the 4 elements have all the planets in them. The only place I see where the planetary banishing could be made is IO PAN & N.O.X. 2=0 formula. Comments?
Btw a paen should be vibrated or just cried - IO PAN doing the signs simultaneously? I see some people don't know what a paean is and just say IO PAN at the final sign. The youtube guy performing SR is something to laugh at. -
@Modes said
"The only place I see where the planetary banishing could be made is IO PAN & N.O.X. 2=0 formula. Comments?"
The point is that Star Ruby is a generic banishing. It blows everything away. It needn't be customized for that.
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Customize for what? Crowley himself wrote that the ritual banishes both elements and planets. I am trying to understand what the N.O.X. signs are used for and I got this idea that they banish planets. If you look into Star Sapphire you can see that it doesn't use Mather Triumphans i.e. does not banish Saturn - Babalon. What practical application does the definition 'it builds a bridge over the Abyss' have when you are a Probationer?
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@Modes said
"I am trying to understand what the N.O.X. signs are used for and I got this idea that they banish planets."
You're "atomizing" the process too much. The whole of the ritual blows away stuff in general - not one part of it or another.
The N.O.X. signs are the grade signs of 6=5, 7=4, Babe of the Abyss, and 8=3. I can't remember... did I post my three-part article here analyzing the Star Ruby in detail? It's clear when you're walking through it where these fall. The "big picture gist" is that one is symbolically beginning in Tiphereth, and first extends oneself downward through the Elements (Netzach, Hod, Yesod, Malkuth as Fire, Water, Air, Earth) and then, recentering, reaches inward and upward with the signs from 6=5 through 8=3. (That's a very abbreviated summation.)
"If you look into Star Sapphire you can see that it doesn't use Mather Triumphans i.e. does not banish Saturn - Babalon."
Star Sapphire doesn't banish anything. It's an invoking ritual.
Star Ruby to banish - Star Sapphire to invoke. Don't confuse them with other Pentagram Ritual and Hexagram Ritual combinations.
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Yes, confusion is like burning karma - there's a lot of it.
Jim, you have cleared up a lot of things - yes, you posted your article. The only thing for me to understand is the paean. I am doing it like this:
vibrating every letter with only one exhaling I - Puer, O - Vir, P - Puella just for a moment because you can't vibrate P, A - Mulier, N - MT. Now a paean is a war song, a triumph song so the next option would be doing it like Pavarotti. How do you do it in your practise? -
@Modes said
"Yes, confusion is like burning karma - there's a lot of it.
Jim, you have cleared up a lot of things - yes, you posted your article. The only thing for me to understand is the paean. I am doing it like this:
vibrating every letter with only one exhaling I - Puer, O - Vir, P - Puella just for a moment because you can't vibrate P, A - Mulier, N - MT. Now a paean is a war song, a triumph song so the next option would be doing it like Pavarotti. How do you do it in your practise?"Say "N" and give Puer...
...say "O" and give Vir...
...in silence give Puella, then give Mulier saying "X, N.O.X., The Night of Pan."
Chant "IO PAN."
Give M.T.