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Pronunciation of Aleph

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    Herr Sorath
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    93,
    I am not clear on what the rules are for pronunciation of Aleph.
    When is AChD Achad, when Eched? Are there rules, or is open to interpretation?
    I am instinctively drawn to pronounce Aleph as [Ah] in many Hebrew words (TiphAhreth, Ahlohim,... ). maybe its just my European upbringing where the Greek Alpha and Hebrew Aleph were always pronounced [AH] rather than the [AE] / [E] found in the English pronunciation (TiphEreth, Elohim,...)

    thnx in advance for your input!

    93 93/93 -A.S.

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    What you often don't find in written Hebrew are the vowels, which are characters generally laid beneath the letters; sometimes above certain letters. Achad is Achad when the Aleph has an AH vowel underneath it. It's Echad when it has an EH vowel beneath it. Aleph-Vav-Resh is Oar, because the Vav is tipped with an OH vowel. Etc. If there's a rule, then, it's to find out what the vowels are.

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    Jim Eshelman
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    Aleph itself is a consonant pronounced as an unvoiced exhalation. To this are added specifical vowels, as Zeph said. It may, for example, have an A, E, long E, I, O (though usually only in compound) or other sound.

    The rules aren't really open to interpretation, though there are occasional dialectical minutia.

    In Tiphereth it is an E sound. Same in Elohiym. Part of the problem is in transliterating it as an A to begin. Try transliterating it as an opening apostrophe ` and then add the correct vowel after it.

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    Herr Sorath
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    @Jim Eshelman said

    "Try transliterating it as an opening apostrophe ` and then add the correct vowel after it."

    thnx this clears up a lot!! makes sense now.

    so what is a good source material/reference/authority on what the written vowels actualy are for a given word?
    777 obviously doesnt have any of those vowel-dots...

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    jmiller
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    @Herr Sorath said

    "so what is a good source material/reference/authority on what the written vowels actualy are for a given word?"

    A Hebrew dictionary, of course. But probably one specifically for Biblical Hebrew, rather than modern.

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    Jim Eshelman
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    @Herr Sorath said

    "so what is a good source material/reference/authority on what the written vowels actualy are for a given word?
    777 obviously doesnt have any of those vowel-dots..."

    Go to standard Hebrew lexicons and grammars.

    Temple of Thelema has a Fourth Degree paper going into great detail - I hope that something Anna-Kria and I are working on will be out (for general public) by the end of the summer and, as presently planned, will have an appendix on pronouncing pointed Hebrew.

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    Herr Sorath
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    @sasha said

    "A Hebrew dictionary, of course. But probably one specifically for Biblical Hebrew, rather than modern."

    yeah thnx 😉 i was actually hoping for a specific suggestion? is there a dictionary of choice for "our purposes" anybody can recommend ?

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    damian blackthorn
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    have yo ever read the Chicken qabala,it dont matter how you pronounce

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    Andie
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    ...but that's according to "Rabbi Lamed Ben Clifford". If you were to study with another teacher, they might disagree.

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    damian blackthorn
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    You are correct,but if i was as serious as most thelemites i,d think i kill myself.Lon Milo has a wonderful sense of humor,which i feal is vitally important.we all need to learn from each other without being worried if this one knows more than that one. I don,t care who knows more than i.i want to learn from Brethren and sistren lol. I can,t do that if i,m gonna be an uptight Magician/ Thelemite.I need my Brothers and Sisters to learn after 20 + years there is still so much i don,t know. 93/Frater N

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