The Neccessity of CM
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Do you view the practice and/or acceptance of ceremonial magick as requisite to Thelema? It seems to me that Thelemic ceremonial magick stems more from Crowley than CCXX, but I'm somewhat biased on the subject.
@Wilder said
"Do you view the practice and/or acceptance of ceremonial magick as requisite to Thelema?"
Thelema as a life-philosophy etc.? Heck, no.
However, as a practice of accelerated Thelema-based spiritual development - almost certainly.
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Do you view the practice and/or acceptance of ceremonial magick as requisite to Thelema? It seems to me that Thelemic ceremonial magick stems more from Crowley than CCXX, but I'm somewhat biased on the subject.
@Jim Eshelman said
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@Wilder said
"Do you view the practice and/or acceptance of ceremonial magick as requisite to Thelema?"Thelema as a life-philosophy etc.? Heck, no.
However, as a practice of accelerated Thelema-based spiritual development - almost certainly."
Would you place Thelema as a religion in the former or later camp?
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Do you view the practice and/or acceptance of ceremonial magick as requisite to Thelema? It seems to me that Thelemic ceremonial magick stems more from Crowley than CCXX, but I'm somewhat biased on the subject.
@Wilder said
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@Jim Eshelman said
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@Wilder said
"Do you view the practice and/or acceptance of ceremonial magick as requisite to Thelema?"Thelema as a life-philosophy etc.? Heck, no.
However, as a practice of accelerated Thelema-based spiritual development - almost certainly."
"Would you place Thelema as a religion in the former or later camp?/quote]
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Do you view the practice and/or acceptance of ceremonial magick as requisite to Thelema? It seems to me that Thelemic ceremonial magick stems more from Crowley than CCXX, but I'm somewhat biased on the subject.
@Jim Eshelman said
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@Wilder said
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@Jim Eshelman said
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@Wilder said
"Do you view the practice and/or acceptance of ceremonial magick as requisite to Thelema?"Thelema as a life-philosophy etc.? Heck, no.
However, as a practice of accelerated Thelema-based spiritual development - almost certainly."
Would you place Thelema as a religion in the former or later camp?"
Either the latter or neither."
How can you NOT view Thelema as a philosophy for life? How is the doctrine of the Will not hte most practical and down to earth philosophy religion has offered?
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Do you view the practice and/or acceptance of ceremonial magick as requisite to Thelema? It seems to me that Thelemic ceremonial magick stems more from Crowley than CCXX, but I'm somewhat biased on the subject.
@aum418 said
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@Jim Eshelman said
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@Wilder said
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@Jim Eshelman said
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@Wilder said
"Do you view the practice and/or acceptance of ceremonial magick as requisite to Thelema?"Thelema as a life-philosophy etc.? Heck, no.
However, as a practice of accelerated Thelema-based spiritual development - almost certainly."
Would you place Thelema as a religion in the former or later camp?"
Either the latter or neither."
"How can you NOT view Thelema as a philosophy for life? How is the doctrine of the Will not hte most practical and down to earth philosophy religion has offered?"
I'm not sure who you were answering. If it was me, then I think I wasn't clearn on my answer.
Wilder's question was whether I would put Thelema as a religion in the "Thelema as life-philosophy" or "Thelema-based spiritual development" part of my answer. I responded that I would put "Thelema as religion" either in neither or these or in both (depending on one's definition of "religion," which is a tired old discussion I didn't want to get into at the moment).
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Do you view the practice and/or acceptance of ceremonial magick as requisite to Thelema? It seems to me that Thelemic ceremonial magick stems more from Crowley than CCXX, but I'm somewhat biased on the subject.
@Jim Eshelman said
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@aum418 said
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@Jim Eshelman said
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@Wilder said
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@Jim Eshelman said
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@Wilder said
"Do you view the practice and/or acceptance of ceremonial magick as requisite to Thelema?"Thelema as a life-philosophy etc.? Heck, no.
However, as a practice of accelerated Thelema-based spiritual development - almost certainly."
Would you place Thelema as a religion in the former or later camp?"
Either the latter or neither."
"How can you NOT view Thelema as a philosophy for life? How is the doctrine of the Will not hte most practical and down to earth philosophy religion has offered?"
I'm not sure who you were answering. If it was me, then I think I wasn't clearn on my answer.
Wilder's question was whether I would put Thelema as a religion in the "Thelema as life-philosophy" or "Thelema-based spiritual development" part of my answer. I responded that I would put "Thelema as religion" either in neither or these or in both (depending on one's definition of "religion," which is a tired old discussion I didn't want to get into at the moment)."
Sorry, I was kind of ambiguous myself. I was asking if you saw ceremonial magick as requisite to the practice of Thelema as a religion.
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Do you view the practice and/or acceptance of ceremonial magick as requisite to Thelema? It seems to me that Thelemic ceremonial magick stems more from Crowley than CCXX, but I'm somewhat biased on the subject.
@Wilder said
"Sorry, I was kind of ambiguous myself. I was asking if you saw ceremonial magick as requisite to the practice of Thelema as a religion."
No, I don't - any more than I see ceremonial magick as requisite to the practice of any other religion.
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Do you view the practice and/or acceptance of ceremonial magick as requisite to Thelema? It seems to me that Thelemic ceremonial magick stems more from Crowley than CCXX, but I'm somewhat biased on the subject.
@Jim Eshelman said
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@Jim Eshelman said
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@Wilder said
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@Jim Eshelman said
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@Wilder said
"Do you view the practice and/or acceptance of ceremonial magick as requisite to Thelema?"Thelema as a life-philosophy etc.? Heck, no.
However, as a practice of accelerated Thelema-based spiritual development - almost certainly."
Would you place Thelema as a religion in the former or later camp?"
Either the latter or neither."
"How can you NOT view Thelema as a philosophy for life? How is the doctrine of the Will not hte most practical and down to earth philosophy religion has offered?"
I'm not sure who you were answering. If it was me, then I think I wasn't clearn on my answer.
Wilder's question was whether I would put Thelema as a religion in the "Thelema as life-philosophy" or "Thelema-based spiritual development" part of my answer. I responded that I would put "Thelema as religion" either in neither or these or in both (depending on one's definition of "religion," which is a tired old discussion I didn't want to get into at the moment)."
I hate to nitpick but you said "Either the latter or neither" not "Either both or neither." By your comment you implied "Either the latter (Thelema-based spiritual development) or neither."
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Do you view the practice and/or acceptance of ceremonial magick as requisite to Thelema? It seems to me that Thelemic ceremonial magick stems more from Crowley than CCXX, but I'm somewhat biased on the subject.
Actually, yes, that's what I meant.
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Do you view the practice and/or acceptance of ceremonial magick as requisite to Thelema? It seems to me that Thelemic ceremonial magick stems more from Crowley than CCXX, but I'm somewhat biased on the subject.
Well CM provides structure and helps some people assemble certain information better.
I would not say that CM is necessary to Thelema in the same way that a 2 year tech school is not necessary to auto mechanics.
Also one can become a great sword fighter without any official training, in some cases wild unstructured hacking and slashing, will throw a well disciplined opponent off his game.
At the same time mast sword fighters and mechanics would improve their natural talent via a "ritualized" format of study.
Any child can wear a tool belt and a robe and claim he is a mechanic and a samurai, however his lack of skill is obvious.
"Kings shall be kings forever, the slaves shall serve"