Star Ruby
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I've recently begun studying the Star Ruby and have hit a bit of a stumbling block. Namely, IUGGES, TELETARCAI, SYNOCEIS, & DAIMONES. What the hell are they supposed to represent?
I've seen possible explanations that claim they represent the supernals of the Tree of Life, the Alchemical elements or Neo-platonic deities, etc., etc.
I'm really unsure how their placement around the circle relates to the elements and the Thelemic divine names of the quaters, (that's assuming there is a relationship) and how they should be visualised.Any help on this point will be appreciated as I feel that this is the single thing that is holding me back from practice of this ritual.
@Jim Eshelman said
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@Her said
"Just out of interest, why do you use the spelling Daimonos instead of Daimones. I've noticed this difference of spelling in various published versions of the Star Ruby. The Book of Lies and the current version of MAGICK Book 4 (DuQuette also) use Daimones."I don't have the article at hand (here at work) to examine. I think the one is a typo."
"Daimones" would be right, being plural like the other three. "Daimonos" is genitive singular, so ΕΠ'ΑΡΙΣΤΕΡΑ ΔΑΙΜΟΝΟΣ would be either a syntactical abomination, or meaning "and on the left of the demon is..." Daimones! Daimones! Daimones!
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I've recently begun studying the Star Ruby and have hit a bit of a stumbling block. Namely, IUGGES, TELETARCAI, SYNOCEIS, & DAIMONES. What the hell are they supposed to represent?
I've seen possible explanations that claim they represent the supernals of the Tree of Life, the Alchemical elements or Neo-platonic deities, etc., etc.
I'm really unsure how their placement around the circle relates to the elements and the Thelemic divine names of the quaters, (that's assuming there is a relationship) and how they should be visualised.Any help on this point will be appreciated as I feel that this is the single thing that is holding me back from practice of this ritual.
In Liber ABA pt. 3 Crowley writes that the Star Ruby does the planetary banishings too, well, because the 4 elements have all the planets in them. The only place I see where the planetary banishing could be made is IO PAN & N.O.X. 2=0 formula. Comments?
Btw a paen should be vibrated or just cried - IO PAN doing the signs simultaneously? I see some people don't know what a paean is and just say IO PAN at the final sign. The youtube guy performing SR is something to laugh at. -
I've recently begun studying the Star Ruby and have hit a bit of a stumbling block. Namely, IUGGES, TELETARCAI, SYNOCEIS, & DAIMONES. What the hell are they supposed to represent?
I've seen possible explanations that claim they represent the supernals of the Tree of Life, the Alchemical elements or Neo-platonic deities, etc., etc.
I'm really unsure how their placement around the circle relates to the elements and the Thelemic divine names of the quaters, (that's assuming there is a relationship) and how they should be visualised.Any help on this point will be appreciated as I feel that this is the single thing that is holding me back from practice of this ritual.
@Modes said
"The only place I see where the planetary banishing could be made is IO PAN & N.O.X. 2=0 formula. Comments?"
The point is that Star Ruby is a generic banishing. It blows everything away. It needn't be customized for that.
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I've recently begun studying the Star Ruby and have hit a bit of a stumbling block. Namely, IUGGES, TELETARCAI, SYNOCEIS, & DAIMONES. What the hell are they supposed to represent?
I've seen possible explanations that claim they represent the supernals of the Tree of Life, the Alchemical elements or Neo-platonic deities, etc., etc.
I'm really unsure how their placement around the circle relates to the elements and the Thelemic divine names of the quaters, (that's assuming there is a relationship) and how they should be visualised.Any help on this point will be appreciated as I feel that this is the single thing that is holding me back from practice of this ritual.
Customize for what? Crowley himself wrote that the ritual banishes both elements and planets. I am trying to understand what the N.O.X. signs are used for and I got this idea that they banish planets. If you look into Star Sapphire you can see that it doesn't use Mather Triumphans i.e. does not banish Saturn - Babalon. What practical application does the definition 'it builds a bridge over the Abyss' have when you are a Probationer?
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I've recently begun studying the Star Ruby and have hit a bit of a stumbling block. Namely, IUGGES, TELETARCAI, SYNOCEIS, & DAIMONES. What the hell are they supposed to represent?
I've seen possible explanations that claim they represent the supernals of the Tree of Life, the Alchemical elements or Neo-platonic deities, etc., etc.
I'm really unsure how their placement around the circle relates to the elements and the Thelemic divine names of the quaters, (that's assuming there is a relationship) and how they should be visualised.Any help on this point will be appreciated as I feel that this is the single thing that is holding me back from practice of this ritual.
@Modes said
"I am trying to understand what the N.O.X. signs are used for and I got this idea that they banish planets."
You're "atomizing" the process too much. The whole of the ritual blows away stuff in general - not one part of it or another.
The N.O.X. signs are the grade signs of 6=5, 7=4, Babe of the Abyss, and 8=3. I can't remember... did I post my three-part article here analyzing the Star Ruby in detail? It's clear when you're walking through it where these fall. The "big picture gist" is that one is symbolically beginning in Tiphereth, and first extends oneself downward through the Elements (Netzach, Hod, Yesod, Malkuth as Fire, Water, Air, Earth) and then, recentering, reaches inward and upward with the signs from 6=5 through 8=3. (That's a very abbreviated summation.)
"If you look into Star Sapphire you can see that it doesn't use Mather Triumphans i.e. does not banish Saturn - Babalon."
Star Sapphire doesn't banish anything. It's an invoking ritual.
Star Ruby to banish - Star Sapphire to invoke. Don't confuse them with other Pentagram Ritual and Hexagram Ritual combinations.
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I've recently begun studying the Star Ruby and have hit a bit of a stumbling block. Namely, IUGGES, TELETARCAI, SYNOCEIS, & DAIMONES. What the hell are they supposed to represent?
I've seen possible explanations that claim they represent the supernals of the Tree of Life, the Alchemical elements or Neo-platonic deities, etc., etc.
I'm really unsure how their placement around the circle relates to the elements and the Thelemic divine names of the quaters, (that's assuming there is a relationship) and how they should be visualised.Any help on this point will be appreciated as I feel that this is the single thing that is holding me back from practice of this ritual.
Yes, confusion is like burning karma - there's a lot of it.
Jim, you have cleared up a lot of things - yes, you posted your article. The only thing for me to understand is the paean. I am doing it like this:
vibrating every letter with only one exhaling I - Puer, O - Vir, P - Puella just for a moment because you can't vibrate P, A - Mulier, N - MT. Now a paean is a war song, a triumph song so the next option would be doing it like Pavarotti. How do you do it in your practise? -
I've recently begun studying the Star Ruby and have hit a bit of a stumbling block. Namely, IUGGES, TELETARCAI, SYNOCEIS, & DAIMONES. What the hell are they supposed to represent?
I've seen possible explanations that claim they represent the supernals of the Tree of Life, the Alchemical elements or Neo-platonic deities, etc., etc.
I'm really unsure how their placement around the circle relates to the elements and the Thelemic divine names of the quaters, (that's assuming there is a relationship) and how they should be visualised.Any help on this point will be appreciated as I feel that this is the single thing that is holding me back from practice of this ritual.
@Modes said
"Yes, confusion is like burning karma - there's a lot of it.
Jim, you have cleared up a lot of things - yes, you posted your article. The only thing for me to understand is the paean. I am doing it like this:
vibrating every letter with only one exhaling I - Puer, O - Vir, P - Puella just for a moment because you can't vibrate P, A - Mulier, N - MT. Now a paean is a war song, a triumph song so the next option would be doing it like Pavarotti. How do you do it in your practise?"Say "N" and give Puer...
...say "O" and give Vir...
...in silence give Puella, then give Mulier saying "X, N.O.X., The Night of Pan."
Chant "IO PAN."
Give M.T. -
I've recently begun studying the Star Ruby and have hit a bit of a stumbling block. Namely, IUGGES, TELETARCAI, SYNOCEIS, & DAIMONES. What the hell are they supposed to represent?
I've seen possible explanations that claim they represent the supernals of the Tree of Life, the Alchemical elements or Neo-platonic deities, etc., etc.
I'm really unsure how their placement around the circle relates to the elements and the Thelemic divine names of the quaters, (that's assuming there is a relationship) and how they should be visualised.Any help on this point will be appreciated as I feel that this is the single thing that is holding me back from practice of this ritual.
Have you read my post about N.O.X. in the Star Sapphire topic? Maybe Liber 333 chapter I would be more enlightening i.e. the comment. I rephrase: the N.O.X. is a representation of creation formula 0=2, PAN - unity 2=0. Now the N.O.X. signs we do are of the PAN formula ie. Duality, Energy, Death = Puer... MT. Why say duality if you do the signs that represent unity? Or do you mean that the final signs express duality? Doesn't N.O.X. (2) the Night of Pan (0) ring a bell? The whole sentence sums up in IO PAN.
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I've recently begun studying the Star Ruby and have hit a bit of a stumbling block. Namely, IUGGES, TELETARCAI, SYNOCEIS, & DAIMONES. What the hell are they supposed to represent?
I've seen possible explanations that claim they represent the supernals of the Tree of Life, the Alchemical elements or Neo-platonic deities, etc., etc.
I'm really unsure how their placement around the circle relates to the elements and the Thelemic divine names of the quaters, (that's assuming there is a relationship) and how they should be visualised.Any help on this point will be appreciated as I feel that this is the single thing that is holding me back from practice of this ritual.
@Modes said
"I rephrase: the N.O.X. is a representation of creation formula 0=2, PAN - unity 2=0."
Yes, I saw that and thought it either that I didn't understand what you are saying or, if I do understand it, then I think it's just an intellectual manipulation. In any case, I'm not sure what use that line of thought might be to you.
"Now the N.O.X. signs we do are of the PAN formula ie. Duality, Energy, Death = Puer... MT."
I haven't the slightest idea what the basis is for this statement.
Of course, if you're relying on arguments from Liber 333 then you really are just playing mind games. In a sense, that was the whole point of that book.
"Why say duality if you do the signs that represent unity? Or do you mean that the final signs express duality?"
Huh "Doesn't N.O.X. (2) the Night of Pan (0) ring a bell?"
Where O where are you getting the idea that N.O.X. is duality? N.O.X., simply put, is Supernal consciousness.
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I've recently begun studying the Star Ruby and have hit a bit of a stumbling block. Namely, IUGGES, TELETARCAI, SYNOCEIS, & DAIMONES. What the hell are they supposed to represent?
I've seen possible explanations that claim they represent the supernals of the Tree of Life, the Alchemical elements or Neo-platonic deities, etc., etc.
I'm really unsure how their placement around the circle relates to the elements and the Thelemic divine names of the quaters, (that's assuming there is a relationship) and how they should be visualised.Any help on this point will be appreciated as I feel that this is the single thing that is holding me back from practice of this ritual.
Sorry, my fault - 0=2 is not duality. It is N.O.X. - "Death: Begetting: the supporters of O!". Now O! is "Silence. Nuit, O; Hadit; Ra-Hoor-Khuit, I." and relates to chapter 0. Now it makes sense and the correlation between signs and letters is perfect. Liber 333 is a very compact explanation of Frater Perdurabo's thought. For example, one can write a whole book about chapter 0.
Thanks Jim for your patience.
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I've recently begun studying the Star Ruby and have hit a bit of a stumbling block. Namely, IUGGES, TELETARCAI, SYNOCEIS, & DAIMONES. What the hell are they supposed to represent?
I've seen possible explanations that claim they represent the supernals of the Tree of Life, the Alchemical elements or Neo-platonic deities, etc., etc.
I'm really unsure how their placement around the circle relates to the elements and the Thelemic divine names of the quaters, (that's assuming there is a relationship) and how they should be visualised.Any help on this point will be appreciated as I feel that this is the single thing that is holding me back from practice of this ritual.
Another interesting subject I found while practicing. Visualising the pentagram while inhaling and putting the pentagram in the front while vibrating the Name. Well, how one can visualise the pentagram and the inhaling of the letters (going to one's feet etc.) of a Name at once?
I write the letters in the pentagram i am visualising while inhaling. How are others coping with the difficulty? -
I've recently begun studying the Star Ruby and have hit a bit of a stumbling block. Namely, IUGGES, TELETARCAI, SYNOCEIS, & DAIMONES. What the hell are they supposed to represent?
I've seen possible explanations that claim they represent the supernals of the Tree of Life, the Alchemical elements or Neo-platonic deities, etc., etc.
I'm really unsure how their placement around the circle relates to the elements and the Thelemic divine names of the quaters, (that's assuming there is a relationship) and how they should be visualised.Any help on this point will be appreciated as I feel that this is the single thing that is holding me back from practice of this ritual.
@Modes said
"Another interesting subject I found while practicing. Visualising the pentagram while inhaling and putting the pentagram in the front while vibrating the Name. Well, how one can visualise the pentagram and the inhaling of the letters (going to one's feet etc.) of a Name at once?
I write the letters in the pentagram i am visualising while inhaling. How are others coping with the difficulty?"I'm unclear what the difficulty is, but maybe it is this:
You don't inhale the letters while drawing the pentagram. Draw the pentagram, then inhale.
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I've recently begun studying the Star Ruby and have hit a bit of a stumbling block. Namely, IUGGES, TELETARCAI, SYNOCEIS, & DAIMONES. What the hell are they supposed to represent?
I've seen possible explanations that claim they represent the supernals of the Tree of Life, the Alchemical elements or Neo-platonic deities, etc., etc.
I'm really unsure how their placement around the circle relates to the elements and the Thelemic divine names of the quaters, (that's assuming there is a relationship) and how they should be visualised.Any help on this point will be appreciated as I feel that this is the single thing that is holding me back from practice of this ritual.
This thread is about the Star Ruby.
I am to strongly imagine a pentagram in my forehead and fling it forth and vibrate the Name. Now from the instruction I understood that this is a continuous process... So I am to vizualise the pentagram, then the Name, then the pentagram flinging, then the Name going out? Mhm... -
I've recently begun studying the Star Ruby and have hit a bit of a stumbling block. Namely, IUGGES, TELETARCAI, SYNOCEIS, & DAIMONES. What the hell are they supposed to represent?
I've seen possible explanations that claim they represent the supernals of the Tree of Life, the Alchemical elements or Neo-platonic deities, etc., etc.
I'm really unsure how their placement around the circle relates to the elements and the Thelemic divine names of the quaters, (that's assuming there is a relationship) and how they should be visualised.Any help on this point will be appreciated as I feel that this is the single thing that is holding me back from practice of this ritual.
@Modes said
"This thread is about the Star Ruby.
I am to strongly imagine a pentagram in my forehead and fling it forth and vibrate the Name. Now from the instruction I understood that this is a continuous process... So I am to vizualise the pentagram, then the Name, then the pentagram flinging, then the Name going out? Mhm..."Ah, you're right. I wondered off.
I wondered off because the visualization of the letters of the Name to be vibrated is a common instruction for the Lesser Ritual of the Pentagram. There's no such instruction I'm aware of that is generally given for the Star Ruby. One just visualizes the pentagram in the forehead, inhales while drawing up the hands, focusses and centers on what one is about to do, then flings forth etc.
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I've recently begun studying the Star Ruby and have hit a bit of a stumbling block. Namely, IUGGES, TELETARCAI, SYNOCEIS, & DAIMONES. What the hell are they supposed to represent?
I've seen possible explanations that claim they represent the supernals of the Tree of Life, the Alchemical elements or Neo-platonic deities, etc., etc.
I'm really unsure how their placement around the circle relates to the elements and the Thelemic divine names of the quaters, (that's assuming there is a relationship) and how they should be visualised.Any help on this point will be appreciated as I feel that this is the single thing that is holding me back from practice of this ritual.
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I've recently begun studying the Star Ruby and have hit a bit of a stumbling block. Namely, IUGGES, TELETARCAI, SYNOCEIS, & DAIMONES. What the hell are they supposed to represent?
I've seen possible explanations that claim they represent the supernals of the Tree of Life, the Alchemical elements or Neo-platonic deities, etc., etc.
I'm really unsure how their placement around the circle relates to the elements and the Thelemic divine names of the quaters, (that's assuming there is a relationship) and how they should be visualised.Any help on this point will be appreciated as I feel that this is the single thing that is holding me back from practice of this ritual.
I read an interesting essay on the Star Ruby recently. (See here: lionserpent.com/Scarlet%20Asterisms.pdf)
Jim gets a mention in thereThe author of the essay has an opinion on the structure of the S.R. that differs slightly from the previous ideas raised in this thread. He claims that the elemental attributions in the original 1913 Book of Lies version of the S.R. conform to Crowley's experiences in the 23rd and 24th Enochian Aeythers, where the Kerubic emblems for Air/Aquarius and Water/Scorpio were switched. This would place Air in the north and Water in the south. Rather than Water-North, Air-South, as previously mentioned.
While this arrangement sets up a rather nice elemental opposition, Fire - Water, Air - Earth, it does result in an odd sequence around the circle. Going counter-clockwise it would be IVHH. Does this particular form of the tetragrammaton have a relevant symbolic meaning? Or is it just a mess?
