LBRP
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@Modes said
"May I ask Jim why do you think differently?"
About what, exactly?
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@nashimiron said
"I too have been using the thumb between fingers technique now for ages. It works fine and if a demon tries to break into your circle you can trick him into thinking you've pulled his nose off.
"93! My God, for some reason I just cracked up out loud at work when I read this about the nose! Thanks for that!
can anyone speak more about the symbolism of the thumb between the fingers, and since multiple people are doing this, what source did you take it from?
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Most probably took it from the Gnostic Mass.
The origin is that it's an old Sicilian folk-defense against curses.
The Qabalistic retro-fited symbolism is that the thumb, symbolic of spirit (and surely no longer than Baby H.P.K.'s wee-wee) is a symbol of spirit.
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Exactly about the way one should vibrate the Names in LBPR. You write that one could exlude all the signs - just visualize and vibrate but it is contrary to the sources I mentioned. I mentioned the logic why one would do it how it is written. I would like to understand why you do it differently.
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For me the question would be the opposite: Why have a few modern authors unnecessarily changed the original instructions? The simple method of pointing your finger or other implement at the center of the pentagram and vibrating the Name gives very precise control, allows one to maintain uninterrupted concentration, and is thoroughly sufficient.
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@Jim Eshelman said
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@Jim Eshelman said
"BTW, it isn't "Hod and Earth... to the North." It's Hod to the South - hence Mikhael."From the "Notes":
You are facing Tiphareth (the Sun), thus on your right hand is Netzach (Venus), on your left hand Hod (Mercury), and behind you Yesod (the Moon)."I'm sure that's a typo in the original notes."
This has been bothering me. It makes sense to be backed against the tree but not only is there the above quote in the appendices but a diagram dipicting the same. Clearly illustrated with Hod in the North with Earth, Auriel, and Mercury; Netzach opposing.
Also, in the editor's notes (Hymenaeus Beta), "In comments to The Temple of the Holy Ghost, Crowley relates the Archangels of the Quarters to the Sephiroth and connecting Paths of the Tree of Life: 'These archangels are at points on the "Tree of Life" which cause them to surround as described one who is "crucified" thereon. Raphael dwells in Tiphareth, Beauty. Gabriel, dweller in Yesod, where are the Kerubim. Michael [sic, read Auriel], lord of Hod, an Emanation of a waty nature. Auriel [sic, read Michael], archangel of Netzach, to which Fire is attributed.'
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"1. Imagine yourself standing in the Temple, facing West. The Black Pillar of Severity will be on your right--the White Pillar of Mercy on your left. You will make the Middle Pillar as you stand between them."
altreligion.about.com/library/bl_middlepillar.htmIt seems like you back into the tree during the Middle Pillar Exercise but you face the West so it would make sense for the pillars to be reversed when facing East during the LBRP.
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I just noticed another Venus - Fire correspondence. In the caption under the fire pentagrams in the GRP it says, "The Grade of 4=7 is particularly attributed to the Element Fire; it refers to the Planet Venus..."
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@Jackdaw said
"I just noticed another Venus - Fire correspondence. In the caption under the fire pentagrams in the GRP it says, "The Grade of 4=7 is particularly attributed to the Element Fire; it refers to the Planet Venus...""
Yes. That's the primary correspondence, from which the others are derived.
But it doesn't really apply so much to the Pentagram Ritual formula. If that attribution were the basis of the ritual structure, then the Hod correspondence to the north would assign Water - and it doesn't.
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Also, in column 12 of Table 1 (in 777) Fire is attributed to Netzach and Water to Hod.
And Hymenaeus Beta seemingly attributing them otherwise...
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I have a question about how the GPR relates to the LPR. In the GPR, "AHIH" and "AGLA" are used with the active and passive spirit pentagrams respectively, yet in the LPR, "AHIH" is used in the west with passive water, and "ADNI", (which is used in the GPR with the elementally passive earth), is used in the LPR with active fire. So does that mean that the magician is not standing at the intersection of Samekh and Pe in the GPR? It would seem to me that the magician is more at the intersection when doing the GPR, then when doing the LPR because the GPR uses the Atziluthic God names of the Sephiroth. Also, why if the magician is standing at the intersection of Samekh and Pe in the LPR, is Uriel used instead of Haniel in the Briatic part of the working? So what am I not understanding here?
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@Fr.211 said
"I have a question about how the GPR relates to the LPR. In the GPR, "AHIH" and "AGLA" are used with the active and passive spirit pentagrams respectively, yet in the LPR, "AHIH" is used in the west with passive water, and "ADNI", (which is used in the GPR with the elementally passive earth), is used in the LPR with active fire."
Here's the key: In the Lesser ritual, the Names do not apply to the Elements; in the Greater, they do.
In the Lesser, the Divine Names are a sequence that applies to an entirely other framework than the elements (and which can be used by itself independent of the Pentagram Ritual). But in the Greater, the Names are explicitly those attributed to the Elements. The rituals are two quite different rituals in this respect.
"So does that mean that the magician is not standing at the intersection of Samekh and Pe in the GPR?"
You are. (In some ways, you are standing there more than ever, because the Greater ritual is intimately connected to the Portal Grade which is located at that exact spot on the Tree.)
"Also, why if the magician is standing at the intersection of Samekh and Pe in the LPR, is Uriel used instead of Haniel in the Briatic part of the working? So what am I not understanding here?
"Because, despite the Sephirothic layout, it is Uriel and not Haniel who is archangel of Earth.
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Ok thanx for the clarifications. I find that is interesting that Earth and Uriel are used in the quadrant that would be attributed to Netzach and the Elohim if standing at the intersection; the Venusian component of Netzach is the reason? If so, then should not the remaining directional attributions also follow the planetary schema? ex.-Tipareth/fire, Hod=Air, etc. Sorry if these questions seem rather basic, but I'm trying to teach myself as best I can
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The ritual is primarily elemental at that point. It is only conveniently Sephirothic.
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Some points on the Malaclypse situation. When I do the LBPR I do get energeticaly charged if my energy level is low but if it is high or out of control LBPR brings it to normal.
Once I did the LBPR, MP rituals in the room another person was in and he was like wanting to cry - a sign that some of his energy blocks were cleared so I think the LBPR does increase energy in you and around the place you do the ritual.
I wanted to ask what practical differences are in activating the groin area in the modern LBRP QC and the original activating the heart - not the groin? I may experiment myself but so far I understood/experienced if I put energy in my groin area it helps with women and the interaction of feminine energies they posess. Am I off? -
@Modes said
"Once I did the LBPR, MP rituals in the room another person was in and he was like wanting to cry - a sign that some of his energy blocks were cleared so I think the LBPR does increase energy in you and around the place you do the ritual."
I'll agree with that, but one must exercise caution in this area. The way you describe this effect seems to indicate that it was an unintentional by-product of the ritual. There are a couple ways of looking at this: one - that there should be no unintentional side-effects... i.e. magick is an act of will, and everything that flows from it should be in accordance with that will. Two - that the use of the ritual to intentionally effect another person in such a manner is good magick, but somewhat beside the point of the intention of the rite... much has been said elsewhere regarding the dangers of thaumaturgic operations without the benefit of great discipline.
@Modes said
"I wanted to ask what practical differences are in activating the groin area in the modern LBRP QC and the original activating the heart - not the groin? I may experiment myself but so far I understood/experienced if I put energy in my groin area it helps with women and the interaction of feminine energies they posess. Am I off?"
If I understand you correctly, you are referring to two of the three variations of Crowley's LBRP. I never agreed with grounding the QC in the groin, as it carries too many complications. The groin would be Yesod in terms of Chakra/Sephira relation, and the issue gets a little trickier when you start talking about male/female as well. A friend and sister once asked me how she was to perform the Star Ruby, as she had no organ to compliment O PHALLE, etc... there are solutions to these apparent problems, but in LBRP placing Kingdom, Malkuth, at the Root chakra (indicated in the classical manner with the finger pointed downward) 'solves' things quite nicely.
The invocation of the HGA at the heart chakra is something I have experimented with before, but I find that the QC is more effective for me when just dealing with the Crown/Root, Kether/Malkuth attributions (one can make a rather more powerful vertical component from Kether straight down to Malkuth in one motion/breath without having to pause at Tiphareth.)
This is especially applicable when following it with LBRP, which forms an invocation of the HGA in its own right.
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I meant the traditional GD LBPR in The Equinox has the QC as - Third eye, heart, right shoulder, left shoulder, heart. The modern has it third eye, down to the groin area, right sh, left sh, heart.
I think when you feed energy into the lower chakras i.e. the ones down from the heart, interesting things happen. If you feed the 2nd chakra you attract women and you can feel the interchange of energies between each other if you are in symphaty. When I don't do the modern LBPR I usualy don't feel it but after I do the LBPR I can say it's a constant phenomena. So maybe if I don't put energy in the 2nd chakra i.e. use the traditional QC those things stop?
I just wanted to share an observation.
Peregrinius93 it's easy to conclude that any energy work expands your aura and the guy was just near me. Obviously his energy body reacted. -
Simple LBRP question (I hope). I've just acquired a home to rent. Currently empty, before the move in process begins I want to perform the LBRP. Is one room sufficient? Or once on every floor, or every room? What is overkill basically? Thanks.
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Depends on how advanced you are. Some advanced yogis, reikists etc can expand their aura a lot. In my experience two midsized rooms apart or so...
I would do the LBPR in every room. Or just the practice room. Well, depends how comfortable you feel in the new place.