Heru-shalom / Jerusalem
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I was wondering if there is a connection of the word Jerusalem and Horus. The first part of the name is Yeru or Iru and the second part is salem or shalom... the word for peace or wholeness. The second part is pretty much documented, but the first part is kind of obscure. Is horus-Sh-L-Mayim something that is at least probable, since Hebrew people spent a lot of time in Egypt?
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@Metzareph said
"I was wondering if there is a connection of the word Jerusalem and Horus."
No. - Or at least, AFAIK, no.
"The first part of the name is Yeru or Iru and the second part is salem or shalom... the word for peace or wholeness. The second part is pretty much documented, but the first part is kind of obscure. Is horus-Sh-L-Mayim something that is at least probable, since Hebrew people spent a lot of time in Egypt?"
And a Horus component would have the H (or possibly a Cheth) in there.
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Jim, you say that it would need a Chet or and H in it, but the word is coming from Egyptian... I know it is a bit of a stretch...
Apparently there is a connection between the words Horus and the Greek Uranus... ὠρανός and Ὡρος (Oros=Horus) as how it was written by the Greeks. They are both connected to the Sky. I'm talking about really Ancient stuff... when the gods were being created...
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@Metzareph said
"Jim, you say that it would need a Chet or and H in it, but the word is coming from Egyptian... I know it is a bit of a stretch..."
First, it doesn't likely come from Egyptian. But if it did, then the sounds of H or Ch would be the sounds that would need representation.
"Apparently there is a connection between the words Horus and the Greek Uranus... ὠρανός and Ὡρος (Oros=Horus) as how it was written by the Greeks. They are both connected to the Sky. I'm talking about really Ancient stuff... when the gods were being created...
"Actually, there are words sounding nearly identical to horus in the ancient Greek. Inasmuch as the Egyptian astrologers characterized most of the planets as one or another variation of Horus, I offered up a case, back in the mid-70s ion The Constellations, that the word horoscope means not so much "the view of the hour" as "the view of Horus."
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A man once showed me a long list of Hebrew words that sounded sort of like English words as proof that English derived from Hebrew. It's easy and fun to play the game of finding similar words in different languages. I once has an impressive list of sacred words, God-names, etc., that sounded like my then girlfriend's first name. But to posit a historical relationship on this basis is to insult the scholars who put lifetimes of real work into tracing the historical development of words and languages. [I'll stop here. I've got a longer rant in my mind.]
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Something to keep in mind in all of this...
Sounds migrate in a particular way. Excluding exceptionally rare quirks, the way that a sound in one language (or dialect) will be preserved vs. altered is highly predictable.
Actors who specialize in accents often take classes in dialectic migration so that they can fine-tune their accents to highly specific times and places.
This isn't random. Many of the characteristic changes flow from very minor changes in the mouth. (Consider how a B sound becomes a V in some areas, or how a D and T will interchange, or how sounds slide along the flow of K-Kh-Ch-H.)
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Thank you Jim.
Question... do you happen to know when an "H" becomes silent i.e. in Spanish the word Hebrew-Hebreo. The written word sometimes is the one that retains any clue of where it is coming from.
I am also intrigued by the "Hours-scope" or view of Horus. Egyptians had the sun and the moon as the eyes of Horus. The right eye (the sun) was brilliant and the left (the moon) was dim as a result of fighting Set. Horus embodied the "majesty" of the sky. In any case, I can see why it makes sense.Thanks again.