Vampirism & Thelema
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Not sure who you are referring to as 'little vampire' but I have been taught that vampires do not leech off others in that respect. It is more of a Spiritual Predator, the vampire no longer has a human soul and in order for it to incarnate into a physical body it spends prana very quickly and needs to replenish it in order to survive.
I have Regardie's 'Middle Pillar' and other books of his, though I truly find him to be quite accurate with most everything and I certainly agree with him on many theories, I think his stance on vampirism is quite antiquated as is Crowley's. -
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Fallen Angel would be the vampire in this case. If you are right Cliff, there would still be no harm in trying, would there?
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@Cliff Oth said
"Not sure who you are referring to as 'little vampire' but I have been taught that vampires do not leech off others in that respect. It is more of a Spiritual Predator, the vampire no longer has a human soul and in order for it to incarnate into a physical body it spends prana very quickly and needs to replenish it in order to survive.
I have Regardie's 'Middle Pillar' and other books of his, though I truly find him to be quite accurate with most everything and I certainly agree with him on many theories, I think his stance on vampirism is quite antiquated as is Crowley's."
This is truely getting hillarious...I suppose now you'll provide us with a viable explanation for werewolves beyond their obvious lunar connotations...616
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@KRVB MMShCh said
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@Cliff Oth said
"Not sure who you are referring to as 'little vampire' but I have been taught that vampires do not leech off others in that respect. It is more of a Spiritual Predator, the vampire no longer has a human soul and in order for it to incarnate into a physical body it spends prana very quickly and needs to replenish it in order to survive.
I have Regardie's 'Middle Pillar' and other books of his, though I truly find him to be quite accurate with most everything and I certainly agree with him on many theories, I think his stance on vampirism is quite antiquated as is Crowley's." This is truely getting hillarious...I suppose now you'll provide us with a viable explanation for werewolves beyond their obvious lunar connotations...616"
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@Cliff Oth said
"the vampire no longer has a human soul"
I guess it's running off of Duracell?
It is true that a being may not have identified their True Will, which might leave them out of touch with their 'soul', but "every man & every woman is a star". Fohat is omnipresent...if a creature is animate, then it, by definition, has a soul.616
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@Cliff Oth said
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I have been taught that vampires cannot process the Sun's energy, yet the Sun usually cannot hurt them anymore than the rest of us (e.g. sunburn, skin Cancer). Vampiric souls are no longer connected to the Universal Energy Source / Divine as ours are and in order for them to maintain their incarnated physical body they need to tap into this Source by taking this prana from those who are connected. The reason blood is a main factor to feeding is the blood vessels proximity with the Meridians / Shen centers, they run parallel with one another and infuse the blood with fresh vital energy. There are techniques of Deep Feeding that tap directly into the Shen centers.
"I think the distinction here that needs to be made is that "vampiric souls" perceive that they are disconnected from the "Universal Energy." There is no 'actual' break. However, their belief (or delusion as some might perceive it) becomes so strong that they require 'feeding.'
@FallenAngel said
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Does anyone know how this will effect me in the long run as I practice thelemic rituals and strive for the KC of HGA?
"As was already mentioned, eventually the practice would come to an end (the sooner the better in my own opinion).
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@KRVB MMShCh said
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@Cliff Oth said
"the vampire no longer has a human soul"I guess it's running off of Duracell?
It is true that a being may not have identified their True Will, which might leave them out of touch with their 'soul', but "every man & every woman is a star". Fohat is omnipresent...if a creature is animate, then it, by definition, has a soul.616"
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@Uni_Verse said
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@Cliff Oth said
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I have been taught that vampires cannot process the Sun's energy, yet the Sun usually cannot hurt them anymore than the rest of us (e.g. sunburn, skin Cancer). Vampiric souls are no longer connected to the Universal Energy Source / Divine as ours are and in order for them to maintain their incarnated physical body they need to tap into this Source by taking this prana from those who are connected. The reason blood is a main factor to feeding is the blood vessels proximity with the Meridians / Shen centers, they run parallel with one another and infuse the blood with fresh vital energy. There are techniques of Deep Feeding that tap directly into the Shen centers.
"I think the distinction here that needs to be made is that "vampiric souls" perceive that they are disconnected from the "Universal Energy." There is no 'actual' break. However, their belief (or delusion as some might perceive it) becomes so strong that they require 'feeding.'
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@Cliff Oth said
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@KRVB MMShCh said
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@Cliff Oth said
"the vampire no longer has a human soul"I guess it's running off of Duracell?
It is true that a being may not have identified their True Will, which might leave them out of touch with their 'soul', but "every man & every woman is a star". Fohat is omnipresent...if a creature is animate, then it, by definition, has a soul.616"
I never said they didn't have a soul, pay attention"Yes, you did.
@Cliff Oth said
"the vampire no longer has a human soul"
L.Lazuli
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@Cliff Oth said
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@Uni_Verse said
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@Cliff Oth said
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I have been taught that vampires cannot process the Sun's energy, yet the Sun usually cannot hurt them anymore than the rest of us (e.g. sunburn, skin Cancer). Vampiric souls are no longer connected to the Universal Energy Source / Divine as ours are and in order for them to maintain their incarnated physical body they need to tap into this Source by taking this prana from those who are connected. The reason blood is a main factor to feeding is the blood vessels proximity with the Meridians / Shen centers, they run parallel with one another and infuse the blood with fresh vital energy. There are techniques of Deep Feeding that tap directly into the Shen centers.
"I think the distinction here that needs to be made is that "vampiric souls" perceive that they are disconnected from the "Universal Energy." There is no 'actual' break. However, their belief (or delusion as some might perceive it) becomes so strong that they require 'feeding.'
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Where do you get this information from may I ask?"I think the real mystery is where do you get your's.
L.Lazuli
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@Cliff Oth said
"I never said they didn't have a soul, pay attention"
You said it didn't have a human soul...so what? it has an animal soul? elemental? Either way it is animated & thus in posession of anima - whether or not it chooses to recognize this fact is another thing entirely.
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@Cliff Oth said
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Where do you get this information from may I ask?
"The Metamorphosis by Franz Kafka
To be less obscure:
Their body, their essence, their life blood is still made up of stuff from this universe. It has not been taken from someplace outside of it and brought in - so where does this disconnection take place? They are still immersed and still entirely subsiding off the energy of the universe. -
@Lapis said
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@Cliff Oth said
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@KRVB MMShCh said
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@Cliff Oth said
"the vampire no longer has a human soul"I guess it's running off of Duracell?
It is true that a being may not have identified their True Will, which might leave them out of touch with their 'soul', but "every man & every woman is a star". Fohat is omnipresent...if a creature is animate, then it, by definition, has a soul.616"
I never said they didn't have a soul, pay attention"Yes, you did.
@Cliff Oth said
"the vampire no longer has a human soul"
L.Lazuli"
I said a human soul
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You’re implying a vampire has an animal soul, which is interesting to compare with the concept of the Beast.
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No, I am saying vampires have vampiric souls, disconnected from the Divine energy source, except for the Asetians who are directly connected to a Divine source. Vampires Qliphothic beings
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None the less, I'm afraid I'm through talking about this subject here, I'm not getting a good vibe here, I'll just go back to reading the posts and keep my mouth shutEm hotep,
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most thelemites are a bit uncomfortable with the concept of pranic vampirism.. at it's very nature one must question if the practice of feeding off anothers life force would be interfering with their Will.
I always kinda looked at it as moving the divine life force from one vessel to another, and the motivates behind that would depend on the essence of the person doing so...
since most people are tapped into that solar life force its not like the people being fed on don't get it back.. nature abhors a vacuum, so in essence the vampire is actually causing another's prana to be "cleansed" you might say, hence another reason why most people find the physical sensations of being fed upon to be very pleasurable.
i rarely talk about such concepts these days though, as i find their have been way to many idiots claiming to be psychic vampires (not talking about anyone around here btw) that i wouldn't want to be lumped into that kinda group or personality type...
The Temple of Set has an interesting sub order called "the order of the Vampyre" that has a lot of cool idea's about using the Vampyric Archetype for personal evolution.
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@Jonathan said
"most thelemites are a bit uncomfortable with the concept of pranic vampirism.. at it's very nature one must question if the practice of feeding off anothers life force would be interfering with their Will.
I would think it does, the Asetians ( I am an Asetianist) do not hide the fact that vampirism is a form of predatory spirituality.I always kinda looked at it as moving the divine life force from one vessel to another, and the motivates behind that would depend on the essence of the person doing so...
since most people are tapped into that solar life force its not like the people being fed on don't get it back.. nature abhors a vacuum, so in essence the vampire is actually causing another's prana to be "cleansed" you might say, hence another reason why most people find the physical sensations of being fed upon to be very pleasurable.
Evolved vampires are the great healers in our day & age, the benefits of a deep feed upon a non vamp can unblock and revitalize the subtle body's energy system.i rarely talk about such concepts these days though, as i find their have been way to many idiots claiming to be psychic vampires (not talking about anyone around here btw) that i wouldn't want to be lumped into that kinda group or personality type...
In case you are wondering I am not a vampire
The Temple of Set has an interesting sub order called "the order of the Vampyre" that has a lot of cool idea's about using the Vampyric Archetype for personal evolution."Being an Asetianist I am not interested in the TOS.
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@Jonathan said
"since most people are tapped into that solar life force its not like the people being fed on don't get it back.. nature abhors a vacuum, so in essence the vampire is actually causing another's prana to be "cleansed" you might say, hence another reason why most people find the physical sensations of being fed upon to be very pleasurable.
"The National Health Service in England still uses a similar practice called "Leeching" which has been popular since the middle ages for curing a whole gamut of maladies from Typhoid among the working classes to hysteria in married women.
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@nashimiron said
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@Jonathan said
"since most people are tapped into that solar life force its not like the people being fed on don't get it back.. nature abhors a vacuum, so in essence the vampire is actually causing another's prana to be "cleansed" you might say, hence another reason why most people find the physical sensations of being fed upon to be very pleasurable.
"The National Health Service in England still uses a similar practice called "Leeching" which has been popular since the middle ages for curing a whole gamut of maladies from Typhoid among the working classes to hysteria in married women.
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Isn't that placing leeches on the body and having blood sucked out? If so, then it has very little to do with vampirism. -
This thread reminds me of a story. Several years ago Anne Rice rediscovered her Catholic faith and renounced writing further vampire novels, much to the dismay of her fans, dedicating her writing instead to her rediscovered faith. The title of her following book: Christ Our Lord: Out of Egypt.
Suffice to note I have pondered whether vampires and saints are lunar and solar aspects of the same evolutionary process. AC’s comments in **Notes For An Astral Atlas **seem relevant here:
Thus, in low grades of initiation, dogmatic quarrels are inflamed by astral experience; as when St. John distinguishes between the Whore BABALON and the Woman Clothed with the Sun, between the Lamb that was slain and The Beast 666 whose deadly wound was healed; nor understands that Satan, the Old Serpent, in the Abyss, the Lake of Fire and Sulphur, is the Sun-Father, the vibration of Life, Lord of Infinite Space that flames with His Consuming Energy, and is also that throned Light whose Spirit is suffused throughout the City of Jewels.
Each “plane” is a veil of the one above it; the original Individual Ideas become diversified as they express their elements. Two men with almost identical ideas on a subject would write two totally different treatises upon it. (Book 4, p. 503)
Unfortunately vampirism is so obscured by popular imagination that research going beyond the negative and Qliphotic connotations to recover the original Individual Idea, if any, is difficult. My research into Egyptian mortuary texts has shown that 1) a particular type of memory extending beyond the individual (possibly racial or species related or one that transcends these categories, depending on how one understands Osiris, and for which Isis is required to resuscitate) is the first stage on the path to immortality and 2) survival in the afterlife depends on whether one acquires the means to “feed” for eternity.
For the Egyptians, Man does not live by bread alone. You also need beer.