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Thank you - but did you know you can use the Middle Pillar, NEW to do the things you mention?
My guess is that the attuning is just help from outside to clear ones energy blocks. A advanced MP user could do the same and what's what Regardie suggests in self initiation - two advanced MP users.
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@Modes said
"Thank you - but did you know you can use the Middle Pillar, NEW to do the things you mention?
"Absolutely - & they can be used in Reiki. Once one has become a Master of their lineage of Reiki they are permitted to use methods paricular to their own Understanding. I personally incorperate many Qabalistic symbols & practices into my own treatments.
I think the main point that you're missing here is that Reiki is a school of thought, whereas the other metods of energy work you suggest are practices utilized by other schools of thought.
"My guess is that the attuning is just help from outside to clear ones energy blocks."
That's exactly what the attunement is designed to do.
"A advanced MP user could do the same and what's what Regardie suggests in self initiation - two advanced MP users.
Any insights?"As I suggested earlier, there are many schools of thought that teach different methods of energy work - Reiki is just one of them. It teaches symbols, meditations, rituals & invocations that are unique to Reiki - but that does not mean it is the only legitiment type of energy work. I have personally used MP on several of my patients.
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hmmm sounds amost exactly like the words i used to describe a psychic vampire.. he is just surgectly removing unwanted energy rather than giving healing energy.
sometimes you have to cut the cancer out rather than just irratiate it with energy you know?
i like to think of myself as using rieki in reverse..
i imagine you will all think i have some sort of disease or mental imbalance for thinking so... but there are many many people out there who would disagree with you...
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@Jonathan said
"hmmm sounds amost exactly like the words i used to describe a psychic vampire.. he is just surgectly removing unwanted energy rather than giving healing energy.
sometimes you have to cut the cancer out rather than just irratiate it with energy you know?
i like to think of myself as using rieki in reverse..
i imagine you will all think i have some sort of disease or mental imbalance for thinking so... but there are many many people out there who would disagree with you..."
You're missing two key points here:
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the Reiki practitioner's intention is to help others - while your's is simply to help yourself. The first word in 'Healer Heal Thyself' is 'Healer' & not 'vampire'.
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the unwanted enrgies & energy blockages are not being fed upon in any way...if that were so then we would be sin eaters & not Reiki practitioners(& by sin I of course mean 'restriction'**).
R.E.D.
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KRVB, thanks for the wise answers. I would like some more.
Jonathan has a point. I heard from a reiki student that his teacher described as a dizziness, kind of drunkiness after a lot of reiki sessions. The teacher boasted that she is full of energy. The student thinks it's a kind of vampirism?
Another thing the student told me that he attended reiki parties where reiki students gather and send energy to each other thereby becoming "high", drunk, dizzy with energy. It seems they are doing it for fun.
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@Modes said
"I heard from a reiki student that his teacher described as a dizziness, kind of drunkiness after a lot of reiki sessions. The teacher boasted that she is full of energy. The student thinks it's a kind of vampirism?"
The Reiki practitioner, through the work done during their attunements, has become a more sufficient vehicle for Universal Life Force Energy. It is this Energy that leaves one feeling 'drunk'. The attunements 'open' one up & aid them in being a 'conduit' or 'channel' for this Energy. It is not the practitioner's own energy being used - nor is it the energy of the patient. The invocation specifically calls on Universal Life Force Energy to flow via the Sahasrara of the practitioner & exit the Anahata via the hands. In Reiki, the hands are seen as an extention of the Anahata in the same way that the feet are viewed as an extention of Muladhara in other schools of thought.
"Another thing the student told me that he attended reiki parties where reiki students gather and send energy to each other thereby becoming "high", drunk, dizzy with energy. It seems they are doing it for fun.
Could you comment?"My instructor used to have a saying: "You get a treatment when you give a treatment." - what she meant by this was that the Energy first had to be channelled by the practitioner before it could be directed to the patient - & yes, it can certainly be an intense high & great fun!
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Thanks for the answers. Another one. A girl I know went through her first attunement but latter fell out with the reiki people. I talked to her and she was all about universal love, I love everyone etc etc. Of course she was telling the truth but her head was full of pudding i.e. no understanding of the theoretical side, no insight. I concluded - just a plain girl with a disbalanced heart chakra or that she developed her heart chakra and forgot about others.
Another reiki guy I met was also a plain ol boy, a bit new age. I couldn't get into scientific discussion with him it was all about belief for him.
Now my conspyracy theory. May it be that reiki disbalances the chakra system by overusing the heart chakra (anahata?)? If I understand correctly the developement of all chakras would give insight and other beneficial things but I can't see that in many reiki students - just plain cult behavior.
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@Modes said
"A girl I know went through her first attunement but latter fell out with the reiki people. I talked to her and she was all about universal love, I love everyone etc etc. Of course she was telling the truth but her head was full of pudding i.e. no understanding of the theoretical side, no insight. I concluded - just a plain girl with a disbalanced heart chakra or that she developed her heart chakra and forgot about others. Another reiki guy I met was also a plain ol boy, a bit new age. I couldn't get into scientific discussion with him it was all about belief for him."
This could certainly be the case for them - but to tell you the truth I have run into many flighty new age types in Thelema as well as Reiki.
The Reiki attunements are designed to work with all of the Chakras - the Anahata simply must remain open during treatments because it is understood as the exit-point of the Energy. I can see how in a lot of practitioners this might develop into an over-emphasis of the role of the Anahata, but this can not be said of Reiki as a whole.
"May it be that reiki disbalances the chakra system by overusing the heart chakra (anahata?)? If I understand correctly the developement of all chakras would give insight and other beneficial things but I can't see that in many reiki students - just plain cult behavior.
Could it be that reiki is a siddhi and people are using it and excluding other things energy work could give?"...see above
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Thank you, I believe, now I have a better theoretical knowledge of Reiki. I have read some books on it and talked to some reikists but all in all it was too much veiled in mysterious jargon and people talking nonsense. The first attunement ritual is not discussed anywhere and I don't like secrets.
So it removes blocks.. any other practical things it does? Like contact the Klingons i.e astral entities/influinces. I hope my questions don't step on secrecy oaths & stuff. 
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@Modes said
"I hope my questions don't step on secrecy oaths & stuff.
"...not at all...the only things that Reiki practitioners are encouraged to keep silent about are the actual symbols, invocations & attunement rituals - all else is free range
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Why are there 3-4 attunements? Why can't the student after his first attunement go on clearing energy blocks all by himself? Why the extra 2-3 kicks?
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@Modes said
"Why are there 3-4 attunements? Why can't the student after his first attunement go on clearing energy blocks all by himself? Why the extra 2-3 kicks?"
There are actually only 3 attunements but 4 levels. The 4th level is simply instruction in giving attunements. Level 4 is what is known as the Master Level.
Reiki teaches that the human composition subsists of 4 sub-bodies: the physical, mental, emotional & spiritual. Different schools of Reiki have different thoughts on the matter, but most agree that the Chakra system either interpenetrates all of these bodies or that each of them has a Chakra system all its own. The attunements focus on the latter 3 sub-bodies in turn...the first attunement focuses on clearing blockages in the mental body, the second on the emotional body & the third on the spiritual body. The state of the physical body is understood to be resultant of the condition of the 3 sub-bodies...if they are in disharmony then the physical body will express that dissonance.
In the Usui system students are taught to view the attunements as a successive widening of a 'pranic-funnel' so to speak - as well as a tampering of that funnel that it may be fit for a more escalated & unobstructed flow of Universal Life Force Energy.
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Got myself two attunements. The first one caused no problems but the second after a month was a bit too much leaving me drunk for some days. Feeling energy helps a lot when you do ritual, various yoga work. Thanks KRVB, you were a big influence to me in choosing Reiki.
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@Modes said
"Thanks KRVB, you were a big influence to me in choosing Reiki."
You're quite welcome...I'm glad to hear that things worked out! Which lineage are you working with?
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I got it from a Usui teacher, he's a krishnaite too. I was temporaly living in the city he's at so I got some basics but then I left the city. I don't know any hand positions I just use the symbols and send reiki to some location using my hands. So I'm not realy working any lineage.
It would be nice to share some tips and tricks.
Like using mudras. They work realy good. I like mudras for the 7 chakras. Finger mudras, tongue mudras, feet mudras. Has anyone tried to experiment with them?
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@Modes said
"KRVB MMShCh, you were writing that you use other than Reiki symbols for healing. Care to share?
"Sure...when I made that statement I was referring specifically to the use of Hebrew letters & Divine Names - but one could just as well incorperate sigils or planetary symbols relative to the work at hand...for instance, one might employ the symbol for Pisces or the letter Qoph while working with the feet...
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Interesting! So many ways to use energy...
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@Modes said
"Why are there 3-4 attunements? Why can't the student after his first attunement go on clearing energy blocks all by himself? Why the extra 2-3 kicks?"
There is only ONE Reiki energy. Dr Usui (the founder) gave only ONE attunement (other people divided it up after his death).
Level ONE is the healing energy. Period.
Level TWO merely teaches one how to send the energy long-distance (and includes "creative manifestation" which could be confused with black magic). I have seen Level ONE people who can do Level TWO (send it afar) without undergoing the Level TWO ceremony (the so-called attunement).
Level THREE endows one with the ability to perform the attunements for other people (and collect the fee).
Level FOUR is another division like the one that chopped up the original single attunement. There is (theoretically) a MASTER level 3 (which is no stronger than Level ONE, and a MASTER TEACHER level 3 that some people like to call Level FOUR. I have seen Level ONE people who can perform the so-called Level 3 or 4 without undergoing the corresponding ceremony.
So in a way, your are right: For SOME people, only Level ONE is required and they seem to be able to work the rest out by themselves. But note that these people rarely experience the purging/discomfort after the Level 1 attunement. In other words, they are already "there" and are clear enough so that all they need is that initial input.
On the other hand, MOST people are stupid as a stick in these matters and they will need to pay for (and receive) all the levels.
Note that once one is past the Level 1 experience, any further training is NOT a matter of "clearing energy blocks," as all that has been dealt with already. Levels 2 & 3 merely add techniques, but do not increase the energy level.Reiki is the McDonald's of empowerment systems. The prototype for "empowerments" (Reiki uses the word "attunement") is the Tibetan Wang (empowerment ceremony) and there are lineages available here in the west that deliver transferred healing energy abilities that are 10 times stronger than Reiki. Along these lines, I have personally been fortunate enough to receive Wang directly from Tibetan Lamas
Although the Wang are similar to initiation ceremonies and can produce quite a kick, most of the "attunmenent" lineages are stepped-down reflections of the initiatory path. Here's a quote from something I once wrote in a flyer:
"Our discussion on "Empowerment" has been limited to the transference of healing energies and the "power" to transmit those same energies to other people, in limited, safe systems of delivery. These systems are ideal for practitioners who wish to enhance their healing skills and for all people who wish to balance themselves by working with energies and consciousness.
"However, there is a deeper form of Empowerment. It is not particularly limited nor safe, for it has few fixed rules and one is exposed to all the problems in the Universe. We liken the practices of healthcare and healing energy empowerment to what the Tibetans call, "The Long Path."
"But, there is also the other path, the "Short Path," the path of self- discipline; we call it "The Path of Initiation." We merely mention it, because Sirius is a reflection of that greater endeavor.
"In all, there are nine Levels of Sirius Empowerment, five Veil Openings, and three Enhancements."
Note that, unlike Reiki, Sirius offers progressively more expanded energy at each level. That is, Level 1 is physical energy (Malkuth), Level 2 is astral/emotional (Yesod), Level 3 is concrete mental (intellectual - Hod), Level 4 is manipulative mental (philosophical - Netzach), etc. Sirius degrees follow the Tree of Life, but they are NOT the A.'.A.'. initiations - they are stepped-down reflections of that system.
I am not trying to sell Sirius, I am simply giving food for thought and an indication of what's available along the Reiki lines.
Also, in a similar vein, SOME people only require a Neophyte 1=10 degree and all the rest unfolds. Even Perdurabo went thru the Neophyte ceremony, then streaked up through the other token outer order grades, attained to Tiphereth, and then overthrew the whole system in favor of a cleaner approach. In all this, he seems to have required that first initiation bestowed by Mathers, et al, and some personal input from his true mentor, Alan Bennett. Other than that, he probably didn't need help, initiations, attunements, or donations from anyone else. Well, yeah, there was Aiwass.
But there are very few initiates who make progress on the path who have not received at least the initial impulse (first degree) from someone else. Those who attempt "self-initiation" without (at least) that first, formal "zap" from another (and higher) initiate are usually deluding themselves. It just don't happen - except in rare circumstances, like true Avatars.
So (again) you are right. You can do it yourself (if you have the inherent capacity), but most cannot (because they have a lot more work to do). It all depends on who you are and (especially) who you were and what you had already accomplished before you elected or re-elected or were drafted to join the human race.
How do I know these things? I am an Independent Reiki Master Teacher, A Sirius Initiator, and an A.'.A.'. guy, and it is my pleasure to lay out some of these rather obscure concepts for your perusal.
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10 times stronger! That sounds, well, oh, fantastic! Did you know... that nadis have to be developed gradualy and too much energy can destroy them. A steady inflow of energy strengthens them but a strong burst disbalances the whole energethical system. So there's realy no use for the 10x stronger energy in healing people.
To be honest it is realy hard to manage my Reiki initiation - thank God I know LBPR, MP and some other tricks. A even stronger initiation would end one in a mental institution. It's a big responsibility to be attuned. That's why there's a probatory period in A.:A.:.
And talking about A.:A.: - they don't sell spiritual things, including attunements. You do on your site. And you claim being a A.:A.: guy! It would be hilarious if it wasn't sad. I got the attunements for a donation - I would NEVER buy them.
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@Modes said
" 10 times stronger! That sounds, well, oh, fantastic! "
If you were here in my presence I could demonstrate that for you, just as I have done for many Reiki "Masters," who were all suitably impressed. There is no fantasy involved. I also have demonstrated it to about 300 of my students in medical and massage schools where I have taught. Most of those 300 also received the first empowerment ("attunement") in class without any fee. I give a lot of stuff away.
@Modes said
" Did you know... that nadis have to be developed gradualy and too much energy can destroy them. A steady inflow of energy strengthens them but a strong burst disbalances the whole energethical system. So there's realy [sic] no use for the 10x stronger energy in healing people. "
Yes, you are right. But your observations do not apply to the subjects of which I was speaking, which is (more or less) 10x but of a different quality altogether than the Reiki. As a licensed physician, I have seen this energy completely disperse cancer without any disruption, unbalancing, or other ill effects. So, perhaps you're preaching to the choir on this one.
@Modes said
" To be honest it is realy [sic] hard to manage my Reiki initiation - thank God I know LBPR, MP and some other tricks. A even stronger initiation would end one in a mental institution. It's a big responsibility to be attuned. "
If you say so. However, it leads one to wonder why you are having so much difficulty managing your Reiki. There are several possible explanations, but also no need to inquire about your personal issues and blockages on a public forum.
@Modes said
" That's why there's a probatory [sic] period in A.:A.:. "
Actually, the probationary period is for the Probationer to try the practices and to see if he or she wants to continue, and for the Order to assess the Probationer to see if he or she is capable of working by themselves. At least that's the way Crowley explained it.
@Modes said
" And talking about A.:A.: - they don't sell spiritual things, including attunements. You do on your site. "
Now you're getting things all mixed up. *One Star in Sight *very clearly states: "There is however an absolute prohibition to accept money or other material reward, directly or indirectly, in respect of any service connected with the Order, for personal profit or advantage." Please note that Reiki and/or Sirius and/or *attunements in general *and/or *Medical services *are services that are in no way "connected with the Order" known as the A.'.A.'.
I am not sure which one of my sites you are referring to. There is one site, maintained by myself as a licensed physician wherein a fee schedule for Reiki and Sirius empowerments is displayed - both a rather expensive "standard" fee schedule and a financially-impaired, discounted fee schedule which "normal" (not irresponsibly wealthy) people usually pay. As mentioned above, I have also given-away-for-free hundreds of attunements. I also list some herbs for sale at discounted rates, but that webpage is no longer even posted.
But so what? All this has absolutely nothing to do with the A.'.A.'., and all A.'.A.'. material is freely distributed by me and my associates without even the token fee usually required for Liber A, B, C, etc. So why are you in such a snit over this?@Modes said
" It would be hilarious if it wasn't sad. "
It is hilarious, isn't it. It's all a game, it's all part of the Universal Joke that you seem to not be getting, because you're obviously unhappy about my "claims" (that I can prove anytime you want to drop by), about my "sales" (that have nothing to do with the A.'.A.'.), and whether my 10x energy will destroy my, or someone else's, nervous system or sanity (which is none of your business).
@Modes said
" I got the attunements for a donation - I would NEVER buy them. "
Whenever the words "never" or "always" are used, it usually denotes imprinted, childhood traumatic complexes.
@Modes said
" Your other claims are a mixed bag and I don't have the time to expand on them. "
Well, aren't you special? Special? Yes! Modest? Hardly!