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Observations about the Thoth Tarot

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    HRUMACHIS
    replied to HRUMACHIS on Sep 2, 2008, 12:46 AM last edited by
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    IMO there are no typos in the cards. There are no mistakes or errors. None. Not so much as an errant spec of paint or skewed line. Every bit of it is rendered from a divine force of magical will. I did notice the writing in the Chariot but I have not manifested the card on the astral. I will do it next week since I am travelling this week and cannot do that detailed work on the road. However like other matters I may not be able to comment if I find something. But I am positive that is not a 'typo'.

    From my experience, trying to 'read' or even comprehend the card like you would anything in normal consciousness will yield no useful results or insight. It must be manifested on the astral before the operator, in the appropriate frequency, and the cards will open. In my case a teacher has appeared to explain certain cards - not a fleshy teacher. He explains the cards in a very detailed, urgent, and hurried fashion, but again, not as you and I would have an everyday conversation. Even though the book AC wrote was called the Book of Thoth, the actual Book of Thoth is the cards themselves, not the book he wrote.

    Meditating and just absorbing the card have been effective. I have caught constructs of the card being drawn into me, bypassing the psychic censor but still without conscious knowledge. If you want a mega blast of the card, gaze upon it during and just after orgasm.

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    Frater SOL
    replied to HRUMACHIS on Sep 2, 2008, 1:17 AM last edited by
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    @zeph said

    "It's a typo.[...]There aren't many properly constructed Tarot decks, but the Thoth is one of them."

    ...if it's a typo, then wouldn't that imply that the deck wasn't "properly constructed"?

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    HRUMACHIS
    replied to HRUMACHIS on Sep 2, 2008, 1:50 AM last edited by
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    @KRVB MMShCh said

    "I have recently noticed that the word 'ABRACADABRA' is written in the stitching atop the Chariot in Atu VII...I wonder why that specific spelling of the word was employed rather than the more fitting 'ABRAHADABRA'. ❓

    616"

    Just giving a quick study without booting up, the 'writing' has the characteristic that it is not 'written on the card', but is manifesting from the chaos. This is a property of how sigils are manifested throughout the cards, which means that this is not writing to be 'read'. More likely is that there are multiple sigils which manifest from the 'words' which have a magical meaning related to the card.

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    Red Eagle of Death
    replied to HRUMACHIS on Sep 2, 2008, 1:51 AM last edited by
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    I'm with KRVB. Don't you think A.C. would've made sure that everything was done according to his standards? - especially a card as signifigant as The Chariot?

    R.E.D.

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    HRUMACHIS
    replied to HRUMACHIS on Sep 2, 2008, 1:53 AM last edited by
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    @Edward Mason said

    "93,

    Exterior or conscious promptings like "I need cash" are one way of bringing about greater consequences than the financially needy can contemplate. I find the Book of Thoth uneven, but it has many gems in it. I agree with others that it's not yet been surpassed.

    93 93/93,

    EM"

    Hi Ed! Hope you are doing well.

    IMO, these cards will never be surpassed unless there is another Beast on the way. It is impossible (and I don't use that word often 😲 ). All other decks are likely flawed and pale reflections.

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    Jim Eshelman
    replied to HRUMACHIS on Sep 2, 2008, 2:04 AM last edited by
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    @KRVB MMShCh said

    "...if it's a typo, then wouldn't that imply that the deck wasn't "properly constructed"?"

    No. "Proper construction" of a Tarot deck refers to the symbols on it, not the words. Anything your conscious mind can read is pretty insignificant. (And yes, that includes the titles of the cards.)

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    Frater SOL
    replied to HRUMACHIS on Sep 2, 2008, 2:07 AM last edited by
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    @Jim Eshelman said

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    @KRVB MMShCh said
    "...if it's a typo, then wouldn't that imply that the deck wasn't "properly constructed"?"

    No. "Proper construction" of a Tarot deck refers to the symbols on it, not the words. Anything your conscious mind can read is pretty insignificant. (And yes, that includes the titles of the cards.)"

    ...so, are you of the opinion that ABRACADABRA is a typo?

    616

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    Jim Eshelman
    replied to HRUMACHIS on Sep 2, 2008, 2:08 AM last edited by
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    @Red Eagle of Death said

    "I'm with KRVB. Don't you think A.C. would've made sure that everything was done according to his standards? - especially a card as signifigant as The Chariot?"

    I sure think he'd have tried. But there are many documented instances of his missing things. (As a proofreader, he was only human! <g>)

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    Jim Eshelman
    replied to HRUMACHIS on Sep 2, 2008, 2:09 AM last edited by
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    @KRVB MMShCh said

    "...so, are you of the opinion that ABRACADABRA is a typo?"

    I haven't given an opinion on that here. I'm only commenting on the principles being discussed.

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    Red Eagle of Death
    replied to HRUMACHIS on Sep 2, 2008, 2:17 AM last edited by
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    @Jim Eshelman said

    "I haven't given an opinion on that here."

    It is evident that you haven't...are you avoiding the inquiry for a reason?

    R.E.D.

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    zeph
    replied to HRUMACHIS on Sep 2, 2008, 2:22 AM last edited by
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    @Red Eagle of Death said

    "I'm with KRVB. Don't you think A.C. would've made sure that everything was done according to his standards? - especially a card as signifigant as The Chariot?"

    What do you make of the white light coming down from the top-right of Atu IV? Hint: It's another error, if AC's commentary in The Book of Thoth is accurate as to what it's supposed to be.

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    Lapis
    replied to HRUMACHIS on Sep 2, 2008, 2:22 AM last edited by
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    @Jim Eshelman said

    ""Proper construction" of a Tarot deck refers to the symbols on it, not the words. Anything your conscious mind can read is pretty insignificant. (And yes, that includes the titles of the cards.)"

    This is a logical inconsistency. Everything is a symbol that communicates something or another to the subconscious mind - & for a Qabalist, this is especially true of letters.

    L.Lazuli

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    Red Eagle of Death
    replied to HRUMACHIS on Sep 2, 2008, 2:24 AM last edited by
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    @zeph said

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    @Red Eagle of Death said
    "I'm with KRVB. Don't you think A.C. would've made sure that everything was done according to his standards? - especially a card as signifigant as The Chariot?"

    What do you make of the white light coming down from the top-right of Atu IV? Hint: It's another error, if AC's commentary in The Book of Thoth is accurate as to what it's supposed to be."

    If it's a pictoral error, then(unless that light is made of letters), according to Jim's definition of 'properly constructed', it is an improperly constructed deck...so which is it?

    R.E.D.

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    zeph
    replied to HRUMACHIS on Sep 2, 2008, 2:32 AM last edited by
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    Fortunately, dear Eagle, the world is not cleanly subdivided into This or That, so I'm quite comfortable saying that it's a properly constructed Tarot deck with the occasional error.

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    Red Eagle of Death
    replied to HRUMACHIS on Sep 2, 2008, 2:37 AM last edited by
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    @zeph said

    "Fortunately, dear Eagle, the world is not cleanly subdivided into This or That, so I'm quite comfortable saying that it's a properly constructed Tarot deck with the occasional error."

    ...proper but with errors...if that isn't an oxymoron 😆

    ~dear Eagle

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    HRUMACHIS
    replied to HRUMACHIS on Sep 2, 2008, 2:38 AM last edited by
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    The assumption I operate under is that the cards were received, not engineered by A.C. If there is conflict with the book, the card wins. I stopped refering to the book altogether. Even is his brilliance, trying to describe infinite chaos and forces of the universe manifested in the cards is an infinite road to nowhere. I suppose it is possible he purposely introduced misleading notions in the book (but NOT the cards).

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    zeph
    replied to HRUMACHIS on Sep 2, 2008, 2:41 AM last edited by
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    Perhaps, Student, but what I know of the method by which these cards were created, they were not divinely received, but carefully constructed by Harris in consultation with Crowley. Divinely received texts do not require rewrite after rewrite.

    Eagle, you'll find many oxymorons as you study the occult.

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    Frater SOL
    replied to HRUMACHIS on Sep 2, 2008, 2:42 AM last edited by
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    @student2012 said

    "The assumption I operate under is that the cards were received, not engineered by A.C. If there is conflict with the book, the card wins. I stopped refering to the book altogether. Even is his brilliance, trying to describe infinite chaos and forces of the universe manifested in the cards is an infinite road to nowhere. I suppose it is possible he purposely introduced misleading notions in the book (but NOT the cards)."

    ...but the card Zeph is referencing does contain an inconsistency. The bright light is supposed to be the Light of Chokmah shining down into Tiphareth - but since Tzaddi is not the Star, but the Emperor(Atu IV), that Light should be in the upper right-hand corner of Atu XVII.

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    Red Eagle of Death
    replied to HRUMACHIS on Sep 2, 2008, 2:43 AM last edited by
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    @zeph said

    "Eagle, you'll find many oxymorons as you study the occult."

    Given.

    R.E.D.

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    miss ruby
    replied to HRUMACHIS on Sep 2, 2008, 2:50 AM last edited by
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    i wouldn't be so surprised that there may be another typo. i think the very famous red unicursal hexagram that comes with the cards is supposed to have the pentagram/rose facing upright.... i think... ❗

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