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Crowley's Initiations

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    What years did Crowley take the Grades of 8=3, 9=2 & 10=1?

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    @Red Eagle of Death said

    "What years did Crowley take the Grades of 8=3, 9=2 & 10=1?"

    8=3 was attained during the Vision & Voice vision series. This was December 1909.

    9=2 (an initiation that reached over several years) came to its climax 93 years ago this week on his birthday in October 1915.

    10=1... I have to look that one up. It was while in Cefalu in the 1920s. I have a couple of diary entries around here somewhere.

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    @Jim Eshelman said

    "10=1... I have to look that one up. It was while in Cefalu in the 1920s."

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    ...do you know what his motto was for 10=1?

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    @KRVB MMShCh said

    "...do you know what his motto was for 10=1?"

    About it he only expressed... silence.

    (I have a certain prejudice about this but, since I'm not 10=1, I won't impose it on anyone.)

    But he did write, "The Ipsissimus has no relation as such with any Being: He has no will in any direction, and no Consciousness of any kind involving duality, for in Him all is accomplished...."

    Makes it kinda hard to pick an aspiration name!

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    @Jim Eshelman said

    "I have a certain prejudice about this but, since I'm not 10=1, I won't impose it on anyone"

    ...it's not imposing if we ask;) - what is it that you have "a certain prejudice" about? Crowley's claiming of 10=1?

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    It's interesting that the Transhimalayan stream of the White Brotherhood has a degree titled Chohan that directly correlates with 10=1 Ipsissimus.

    The western version of the White Brotherhood (known to us as as the A.'.A.'.) seems to regard Kether as the ending point of the path (which it is in a certain manner*), and likes to enshroud it with great mystery - at least from the Crowley perspective.

    The Transhimalayan system, on the other hand, has "degrees" that move up and beyond Kether. They correlate, of course, with the three "negative states" that precede and surround the Tree of Life.

    But then it is said that even to probe into the nature of a *Magister Templi *will lead to disorder - So how much more this probably applies to Kether and beyond.

    *Chokmah is the end of the path of human evolution. Kether begins a new "superhuman" series of initiations. This is why it gets so "mysterious" and (perhaps) silent at these rarified levels.

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    @HeliosMegistos said

    "It's interesting that the Transhimalayan stream of the White Brotherhood has a degree titled Chohan that directly correlates with 10=1 Ipsissimus.

    The western version of the White Brotherhood (known to us as as the A.'.A.'.) seems to regard Kether as the ending point of the path (which it is in a certain manner*), and likes to enshroud it with great mystery - at least from the Crowley perspective.

    The Transhimalayan system, on the other hand, has "degrees" that move up and beyond Kether. They correlate, of course, with the three "negative states" that precede and surround the Tree of Life.

    But then it is said that even to probe into the nature of a *Magister Templi *will lead to disorder - So how much more this probably applies to Kether and beyond.

    *Chokmah is the end of the path of human evolution. Kether begins a new "superhuman" series of initiations. This is why it gets so "mysterious" and (perhaps) silent at these rarified levels."

    Your nonsense gives me gas.

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    @Aum418 said

    "Your nonsense gives me gas."
    Ah, my son. I perceive that you are confused and suffering.

    Here we are, brothers of the (first warning) Order of the Single Skull, and yet you choose to address me in a condescending and crude manner. I imagine that Jesus (or that other guy) will forgive you if you will just do three pentagram rituals and open your heart to the Truth.

    Your term, "nonsense," indicates that you are one of those narrow-tracked fellows who revels in AL and Thelema, but who has made no effort to see the larger picture. Go to Transhimalaya and absorb everything there and perhaps your horizons will be expanded.

    "Gas" is the original term (or state) from which the word "Chaos" was derived. If I have given you gas (in it's original Greek sense - not the later Christian definition that indicated disorder), then my purpose has been fulfilled and I can go on to the holier place.

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