Sin No More
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Earlier this year, there was an article in an astronomical journal that makes a strong case that the most popular way of correlating the Mayan calendar to the Gregorian calendar is off by something like 104 years. Thus, we may have to waiit until 2116 for the baktun ending that many believe is coming in 2012.
(The above link takes you to the brief abstract of this article. I think you'd have to go through a library that subscribes to the journal to see the whole article. FYI, any public library should be able to get it via interlibrary loan...)
Steve
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@Frater Sabaechi said
"Now, do you believe in True Love?"
There is a lot of semantic ambiguity in that phrase - can you please elaborate on your definition of "True Love"?
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@fraterlvf said
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@Frater Sabaechi said
"Now, do you believe in True Love?"There is a lot of semantic ambiguity in that phrase - can you please elaborate on your definition of "True Love"?"
Just a phrase that I was drawn to actually because synchronistically its the title of tonight's Brotherhood episode "The course of true love never did run smooth."
Maybe True Love is just a cliche, like finding one's true love. Maybe there is a deeper aspect of true love that is an archeptypal energy. You may or may not see where I am going with this, but I think its worth exploring people's impressions.
My partner is my true love.
His true love and dedication actually won the war.
True love fostered his ambitions and made him a success.
She lost her true love.
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@Frater Sabaechi said
"Maybe True Love is just a cliche, like finding one's true love. Maybe there is a deeper aspect of true love that is an archeptypal energy. You may or may not see where I am going with this, but I think its worth exploring people's impressions."
Nope, I really don't. I am going to retire from this thread, as I believe that it is something of a ramble.
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@fraterlvf said
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@Frater Sabaechi said
"Maybe True Love is just a cliche, like finding one's true love. Maybe there is a deeper aspect of true love that is an archeptypal energy. You may or may not see where I am going with this, but I think its worth exploring people's impressions."Nope, I really don't. I am going to retire from this thread, as I believe that it is something of a ramble."
Well I see your point and respect your retiring from this thread. I understand that it might appear a ramble for you, but for me I approach it in a spirit of inquiry.
One question I might ask, if the phrase True Love appears as a semantic ambiguity, why doesn't True Will? Or does it?
And perhaps this relates to what I was getting at with this thread's original premise about Sin No More. Maybe we don't have a word for such a state? Bliss? Enlightenment? Well then, maybe we don't have a Western word for what it means to live with No Sin. Perfection just doesnt' come close as it implies more ambiguity.
Anyone else?
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@Frater Sabaechi said
"One question I might ask, if the phrase True Love appears as a semantic ambiguity, why doesn't True Will? Or does it?"
Maybe becuase the phrase 'True Love' is used often in many contexts and you just threw it out there while True Will has its many explanations by Crowley in multiple places...
This thread indeed seems to be an irrelevant rambling like the Crystal skulls thread, but thats just my opinion.
"And perhaps this relates to what I was getting at with this thread's original premise about Sin No More. Maybe we don't have a word for such a state? Bliss? Enlightenment? Well then, maybe we don't have a Western word for what it means to live with No Sin. Perfection just doesnt' come close as it implies more ambiguity."
Maybe its just called normality? Viewing the world as plagued by sin should become the exception, not the norm, I think.
IAO131
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@Aum418 said
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@Frater Sabaechi said
"One question I might ask, if the phrase True Love appears as a semantic ambiguity, why doesn't True Will? Or does it?"Maybe becuase the phrase 'True Love' is used often in many contexts and you just threw it out there while True Will has its many explanations by Crowley in multiple places...
This thread indeed seems to be an irrelevant rambling like the Crystal skulls thread, but thats just my opinion.
"And perhaps this relates to what I was getting at with this thread's original premise about Sin No More. Maybe we don't have a word for such a state? Bliss? Enlightenment? Well then, maybe we don't have a Western word for what it means to live with No Sin. Perfection just doesnt' come close as it implies more ambiguity."
Maybe its just called normality? Viewing the world as plagued by sin should become the exception, not the norm, I think.
IAO131"
Well with all due respect I didn't just throw it out there. And I don't believe this world is normal just because religions and politics think humans are flawed.
Why should I just treat the phrase True Will as exceptional just because Crowley said so? Why should the Book of the Law be considered exceptional say just as much or more than the Tao Te Ching?
To just accept something because some authority type says its true is still blind faith, which to me is part of the old Aeonic stuff.
Since I was offering FiliusBeastia some links to track down to get more information on the Crystal Skull, I see no reason in you lumping this thread and that thread together as irrelevant. Its ok for me if it isn't relevant to you. Do people really get anywhere in their discoveries and personal inquiries just based merely on agreement? I doubt it.
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@Frater Sabaechi said
"Why should I just treat the phrase True Will as exceptional just because Crowley said so?"
No reason at all... unless you identify yourself as a Thelemite and/or want to discuss Thelemic matters in a group setting such as this.
"Why should the Book of the Law be considered exceptional say just as much or more than the Tao Te Ching?"
No reason at all... unless you identify yourself as a Thelemite. (The Book of the Law and its message really is kind of what the whole Thelemic thing is about, eh?)
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@Jim Eshelman said
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@Frater Sabaechi said
"Why should I just treat the phrase True Will as exceptional just because Crowley said so?"No reason at all... unless you identify yourself as a Thelemite and/or want to discuss Thelemic matters in a group setting such as this.
"Why should the Book of the Law be considered exceptional say just as much or more than the Tao Te Ching?"
No reason at all... unless you identify yourself as a Thelemite. (The Book of the Law and its message really is kind of what the whole Thelemic thing is about, eh?)"
Yes, I do consider myself a Thelemite and have been since 1984. I am seeing Thelema as something more than just a dogma and just something to follow.
I mean even though Frater Achad questioned the Great Beast, doesn't mean that he didn't go on to do his part to expand the New Aeon.
I believe Thelema is an organic attempt to look at the world and universe in a fresh, expanded way, maybe kinda like Quantum Physics (which has developed since 1904 too). But yes, I do get your point and I am not implying that this is not a thelemic group, just asking questions in this thread to extrapolate on my ideas.
If there is no sin, then what wrong do people really do to one another? I rather see it as each of us grappling and exploring to find our place in the universe, aka our true will and true love.
I came over here and joined because of being told what a great group this was. It seems that you've done a good job, even with the cult of personalities and the threater of the absurd in our world today.
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Crowley also wrote: "The only sin in the universe is collision."
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@Sphynx said
"Crowley also wrote: "The only sin in the universe is collision.""
IIRC he said that about crime, not sin.
The Book of the Law is quite clear: There is sin in the Thelemic worldview, and its nature is restriction.