A recurrent set of numbers given during Visions.
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I have been trying to work with the 36 & 37 numbers for a while. 36 is solar, but also the serial value of Nu in Greek (14+22), as well as the circle's 36 divisions.
37 is mystically the point in the circle I think (see the star numbers below where the 37th dot is the center of the hexagram), but lunar in relation to 36. There is a flipping of symbolism in them. As I say I have been trying to understand them for some time, and one image I got was the scarab beetle pushing the sun, where the sun is 36 and the scarab is 37. Thus Khephra I saw as of 37. Skipping ahead, just yesterday I made the leap in understanding that Baphomet is linked to 37 (which is significant to you via your portrait icon). I saw it by realizing Crowley's Liber number is CCCLXX as 370, the book of which is all about Baphomet. 37 plays into the magickal square of the sun, where it is often the number of its outer perimeter, and 37 equals all the diagonal sums. 37 is the innerness of the sun. I personally posit there are 37 Tarot Keys (37+56 = 93), which is partly why my interest is peaked. I ascribe 36 to the Ain Soph and 37 as the Ain--by this it is seen that Baphomet is the most secret god of the Ain. This itself may be a solution to 8, 80, 418 = 506, as BAPHOMET = 506 in Greek-based Latin.
As far as 37 : 73 it is extremely important in number philosophy, there are words that equal 37 serially and 73 metrically: ChKMH being one of them, ALLAGH "Change" in Greek being another. 37x73 is the sum of Genesis I:1...
www.biblewheel.com/gr/GR_73.a
www.biblewheel.com/gr/GR_LogosStar.a -
@Wizardiaoan said
"Skipping ahead, just yesterday I made the leap in understanding that Baphomet is linked to 37 (which is significant to you via your portrait icon)."
Well, the name Baphomet did originate was an AIQ BKR substitution cipher for Sophia - which is the Priestess card and the Wisdom ideas of 73 all rolled into one.
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I have been trying to work with Sandalphon whom I've heard described as The Long Angel. One of his aspects is that of an "ice princess". Now it seems to me since High Priestess goes from Tipareth to Kether and Sandalphon stretches from Malkuth to Kether in this way, as numbers striking out at me from license plates, he is manifesting.
So the communication is there symbolically. I imagine that this must happen all the time only the numbers aren't personally significant. 73 was not significant for me but its repetition over the past week has me wondering. -
"The Number 73 - along with the closely related prime 373 - forms the basis of Logos Holograph, where its meaning shines forth with particular clarity in such identies as:
Discerner
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Kritikos
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Eyes
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Optholmoi"This from the link...reminds me of the hermetic principle of everything as mind.
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The "Logos Holograph" of 373 is amazing as a snowflake, symbolizing the purity of the LOGOS = 373. It is apt to mention AL III:73 in this regard as 373, as by the instruction to "paste the sheets" it is meant the analysis of the "The Word" (incidentally which equals 93 in Serial English). I have both thought it to mean the Tarot Keys in the past (perhaps as 37 Keys), as well as the actual sheets of Liber Legis, though I am not sure what wisdom would gained by so doing. Note there is also an encoding of The Word as O LOGOS = 443 in its number of manuscript pages:
I: 22 = 2+2 = 4
II: 22 = 2+2 = 4
III: 21 = 2+1 = 3443 = O LOGOS, then as above we see that 373 = LOGOS--thus there may be some mystery with the arrangement of the sheets. I have pondered them upon the hexagram, but 65 isn't a star number...it is 5x13 though, which is a star number.
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Chiming back in to say it is possible that I have found what III:73 is referring to, that it is a type of magickal square of the 65 sheets. I'm actually surprised I've not heard of this solution before, as it is the simplest really. Anyway when one does this, the horizontal and vertical sums both total to 737, which is opposite the verse of III:73 as 373. The matrice can be arranged 5x13 or 13x5 with the same sum total result of 737.
S(1-22) + S(1-22) + S(1-21) = 253+253+231 = 737. The whole thing seems to be a play upon 373 and 443 as LOGOS and O LOGOS, "The Word" = 93.
Here is what I mean:
5 4 3 2 1 = 15
10 9 8 7 6 = 40
15 14 13 12 11 = 65
20 19 18 17 16 = 90
3 2 1 22 21 = 49
8 7 6 5 4 = 30
13 12 11 10 9 = 55
18 17 16 15 14 = 80
1 22 21 20 19 = 83
6 5 4 3 2 = 20
11 10 9 8 7 = 45
16 15 14 13 12 = 70
21 20 19 18 17 = 95147 156 143 152 139
I don't find that anything is revealed textually by this, just numerically.
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@Jim Eshelman said
"the name Baphomet did originate as an AIQ BKR substitution cipher for Sophia"
Clever idea, but when I try it, I get "BaphoNet".
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@gmugmble said
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@Jim Eshelman said
"the name Baphomet did originate as an AIQ BKR substitution cipher for Sophia"Clever idea, but when I try it, I get "BaphoNet"."
First, my mistake: I hurriedly quote AIQ BKR and meant ATh BSh (the Templer cipher).
It's one of those amazing 5 : 8 Golden Mean type Qabalistic formulae:
Something known predominantly because it is 8-lettered is actually 5-lettered.
BaPhVMeTh (Beth Peh Vav Mem Tav) = ShVPhYA (Shin Vav Peh Yod Aleph)
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@Jim Eshelman said
"BaPhVMeTh (Beth Peh Vav Mem Tav) = ShVPhYA (Shin Vav Peh Yod Aleph)"
I'm familiar with this fact, it is rather fascinating. Using a Greek based Latin, serially VENVS = 81 = BAPHOMET, which reverberates the 5 and 8 fibonacci numbers by number of letters.
What do you think was the motivation for the worship of Baphomet? On one level it seems the concealment of the "beauteous thing" with the "loathsome thing", but I wonder if a type of Luciferean or pan/devil worship was not present. There seems to be the worship of Venus as Lucifer symbolically as the inner lunar light, within the solar.
As remarked in another thread, the symbolism of the 7 in 6 makes its appearance in two of the Seals of the great occult organizations of Theosophy (Venus here symbolizes 7) and Freemasonry (G is the 7th letter of English):
www.ts-adyar.org/emblem.html
www.edgewoodmasons.org/edgewood-lodge-history.phThe symbolism is too voluminous to really delve into, but it does signify Nuit the Ain as the free inner self. There is also indication that the deepest self is the all self "I am above you and in you...", that the innermost is the all or outermost (the vesica pisces)--bad news for the black brothers in other words!
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@Wizardiaoan said
"What do you think was the motivation for the worship of Baphomet?"
I think it was the actual origin of the name Baphomet - that the Templars were actually Sophia-worshipping Gnostics who hid it, as a Christian sect, under a code word that they were never willing to explain honestly. Most other ideas of Baphomet are post-Templar speculations and inventions.
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@Jim Eshelman said
"I think it was the actual origin of the name Baphomet - that the Templars were actually Sophia-worshipping Gnostics who hid it, as a Christian sect, under a code word that they were never willing to explain honestly. Most other ideas of Baphomet are post-Templar speculations and inventions."
I have given much thought to this & am unable to reconcile the Sophian implications of Baphomet with its Mithraic interpretations. Is there actually a common ground for these disparate concepts?
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What Mithraic interpretations?
I'm looking for something before the 13th C. that is explicitly about Baphomet.
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Heh, I see what you are infering that they made a mysterious word up to hide the fact they were worshipping Sophia, they surely wouldn't hide the fact by starting to worship the devil in her place! How did the rumors or myth that Baphomet was a goat god emerge then? I still wonder if there wasn't something to it to start with. The doctrine that has evolved is astonishing, Levi's image of Baphomet is psychically powerful, Crowley took his name as Magus, Book 370 was written, etc.
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@Jim Eshelman said
"What Mithraic interpretations?
I'm looking for something before the 13th C. that is explicitly about Baphomet."
I suppose I might've been off topic a bit - but I was talking about the Sophian implications of the Templaric concept of BaPhVMeTh contrasted with the Mithraic/Solar interpretation of the Thelemic concept of BAVOMIThR...I was asking if anyone had perceived any common ground between these two disparate conceptualizations of the deity.
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@Wizardiaoan said
"Heh, I see what you are infering that they made a mysterious word up to hide the fact they were worshipping Sophia, they surely wouldn't hide the fact by starting to worship the devil in her place! How did the rumors or myth that Baphomet was a goat god emerge then? I still wonder if there wasn't something to it to start with. The doctrine that has evolved is astonishing, Levi's image of Baphomet is psychically powerful, Crowley took his name as Magus, Book 370 was written, etc."
Well, which idea of Baphomet are we talking about? Do we mean the idea created or received by the Templars, the ones who originally and authentically worshipped this idea? Or are we talking about the occult fiction that has existed (however usefully) ever since? I don't know that we need to reconcile with modern occult fantasies and misunderstandings. If, however, that's what you intended to discuss, then that's a different matter altogether. I think we should just get clear that there's no reason to assume that there is any relationship between the Templars' idea of Baphomet and those fantasies contrived by 19th and 20th century occultiests concerning what they must have meant.
I agree they wouldn't have implied they were worshipping the devil. In fact, they didn't. They did mention the goat - what a clever ploy! - but not with a devil connotation at that time. Why do even that? Politically, there was nothing that would have made them more heretical and dangerous (and thus endangered) than for it to be known that they were Gnostics of some sort. That was what got entire regions of people utterly eradicted! Just about anything short of that and they were cool, certainly doing better.
I agree that Levi's image was powerful. In Temple of Thelema, we harvest an enormous amoutn of occult teaching from it at one stage. But there isn't much connection of it to the Templar Baphomet.
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@KRVB MMShCh said
"I suppose I might've been off topic a bit - but I was talking about the Sophian implications of the Templaric concept of BaPhVMeTh contrasted with the Mithraic/Solar interpretation of the Thelemic concept of BAVOMIThR...I was asking if anyone had perceived any common ground between these two disparate conceptualizations of the deity."
I see. By "Mithraic" you meant "solar," and the play of the name (as, kinda sorta, "Father Mithras") in the particular form Crowley was given in one vision.
Aside from whatever idea the Templars have, the idea of Baphomet which was put forth by O.T.O., and which Crowley adopted from there, was not a solar idea. It's classic alchemical Mercury in the specific sense of the perfect union of two polarized opposites. That's the most important thing to get from Levi's diagram. The O.T.O. worships and devotes itself to a particular thing that is a perfect union of two polarized opposites, as if it were (let us say) the Sun and the Moon in their union.
Speaking as one whose last motto in O.T.O. was Fra. 729 <g>, that name is every bit as lunar as solar. 729 (the value of the name you gave) is the cube of 9. It's the Yesod idea brought into three dimensions and made solid, and the Cubical Stone on which most of the most important Qabalistic teachings of the New Testament are based (see Bond & Leigh). Above all it is KHPhAS, Cephas, the name given by Jesus to Peter ("stone"), the foundation of his church.
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@RifRaf said
"During the past 3 months I have been working every other day with a different Elemental from the Enochain Watchtowers. This isn't my first time, I've done this a few times all the way through the 4 Watchtowers, salted through-out the past 3 years. There has been an explicit equation given to me during every vision I have had this time around. All Elements, and their sub-elements have shown me this set of numbers. It is 66=5. I have been trying to interpret the meaning through Gematria, and Notriaqon, but to no avail. I have assumed it may have something to do with the Hexagram, and Pentagram, but the 66 isn't two seperate sixes, it is always given as the number 66.
Any ideas here would be helpfull, even though I know this happens on a personal level some pointers or ideas couldn't hurt."
What do 66 and 5 mean to you? To me they mean the Great Work (66 = ∑(1-11)), 5 = Blazing Star, Spirit crowning Matter.
Perhaps 66 = Nu + Had = 56 + 10 (H+A+D)... and 5 = NU + HAD (5 letters).
The important thing is to examine what you are feeling and thinking when this is presented to you.
IAO131
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Sorry to digress from RifRaf's original question.
@Jim Eshelman said
"It's the Yesod idea brought into three dimensions and made solid, and the Cubical Stone on which most of the most important Qabalistic teachings of the New Testament are based (see Bond & Leigh). Above all it is KHPhAS, Cephas, the name given by Jesus to Peter ("stone"), the foundation of his church."
I always thought of Baphomet as the Rock on which the OTO was founded.
The Templars were accused of worshipping a head, some say a skull of a cat, others say the skull of Mansur Al-Hallaj who attained fana (annihilation in God). No goat that I recall.
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