Supreme Secret or Ultimate Joke?
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I am concerned with the practical side of knowledge; if one was to decipher the code for a lottery numbers generating software, or a time-machine{both of which IMO are imminent}; i think that those would be more relevant , in demonstrating a Universal understanding, than an abstract cipher, regardless of its interpretation. Is not the Book of the Law meant to explain the Universe? So if by my actions i demonstrate a higher knowledge of the universe, i become "The Logos made flesh", One may live the hero story many ways, but why get lost in abstractions? Where is the Skepticism? Where is the indisputable proof? "..... for only thereby can he fall from it..."
So from that perspective it is a joke!
ps. I have an idea for lottery numbers generating software, wanna try to outline it with me?
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LOL...! That's rich... Give me some time to meditate on the ethics of that. lol... I will say that in some of the states of mind I've swung through, that action would have to be justifiable if one doesn't want to spend time in "prison." but seriously... give me some time to think about it....
Regarding the imminence of technology, I'm more concerned about mind control and artificial intelligence - and of course mind control BY artificial intelligence. But... you know... lol... maybe the aliens will help us out of those jams...
Regarding the cipher... Well... okay... I think perhaps there may actually be a real, practical solution to the cipher. However, I think it is probably so complex that a person is going to have to enter into one of those quasi-manic, prophetic, nexi of synchronicities to find the key to it. So, while people are going there anyway and finding results of a more personal and subjective quality, let's collect data on people's experiences. Maybe it will lead to new theories and new techniques. I know the process gave me some deep deep insights into the nature of my own being and purpose, even though it had pretty ugly effects on the more practical aspects of my life.
Personally.... don't laugh... My own experience has inspired me to try to begin a site/voluntary organization where people who are *already *getting lost in these episodes can go to find a hand down out of the experience - practical grounding practices, understanding ears, and friendly yet firm voices.
I'm thinking of calling it "Thelemic Hospitallers" with the dual mottos:
Ordo Ab Chao "Order from Chaos"
and
Vires per Sanitatem "Strength through Health"
We'll see. The concept is evolving in my mind, but cases could be studied and recorded, complete with astrological data, at the same time aid was being offered. I don't know. I have a glimpse of something with potential, but I'd need some volunteers with much more knowledge than this poor, mad prophet has to offer. I imagine the site playing something of the role of Basil King Lamus in "Diary of a Drugfiend."
"Come! Be a part of our great experiment for the ennoblement of mankind!" lol.... It's evolving...
My point is that people are already attempting to solve the cipher and completely tripping out. This is simply going to happen until there is a simple, obvious solution found. So... let's investigate this mysterious phenomenon. Let's use it to advance occult science. Let's use it to help guide people out of that manic state to the point of discovering something of their True Wills... You know?
At least until the cipher really IS solved. And in the mean time, we become the go to people on this phenomena in the Thelemic community.
Am I dreaming too big?
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i think you have an unhealthy obsession with this topic, basically i feel the cipher would be solved incidentally, not intentionally. any type of obsession is unhealthy, my advice is stay away!!! "...my prophet should not seek after this..."
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Ehh... It's not really that. Honestly, I just feel like it's something that... well, I understand why people try and what the attempt does to people. There is some good in it, but, mostly, it's quite disturbing.
Remember, I'm still rather new to Thelema, but everywhere I look, I see people making the attempt and freaking out because of it. Like it or not, it's a hallmark of Thelema. Thelema is known far and wide in occult circles for its imbalanced followers. And this cipher is one of the main reasons why, IMNSHO.
I've seen people's reactions. Most people just want to act like it's not happening, and when it happens, people just ignore the poor souls as if they've done something wrong.
But ciphers are meant to be solved.
And the "prophecy" of the main book of Thelema says it will be.
There's no getting away from it. Not if you and everyone else has committed to accepting this book as perfectly inspired, or whatever you want to call it...
Frankly, I think it's shameful the way that Thelemites turn their back on people going through the experience. It's just like when Christians or Muslims ignore the parts of their holy books that they don't like and that have negative effects on people. Just pretend it doesn't happen. Just pretend it doesn't imply that. Just let people hang themselves. Just blame them for taking the book literally.
I've seen it. I've experienced it. And I'm against ignoring it. Let's either turn it into something positive, or get serious about telling people not to fool with it because we admit that it's bad for people. One or the other.
Do with that what you wish. I guess I will shut up about it and just do something instead though.
peace.
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Do what thou wilt shall be the whole of the law,
Brother if you have such strong conviction then like you said get to work on it,
if it is any consolation I no longer think we hold the title for the craziest people on this site! That distinction is now reserved for Ave de Prata !!!....ROFL
:newbie:Love under Will.
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the cipher is too difficult.
Ive been reading thelematic material and chaos magick material for a couple months now. if you want to use it as a tool make it something that people would be naturally curious about not some ancient dusty texts. If you are the child you don't sit there trying to prove it to yourself with bizarre "secret" meanings of an obscure passage.
You go outside and you radiate light to the world around you. If your the Son you're the Sun. -
I'm changing my ideas of what my "brainchild" could become. There are others reminding me of the difficulty and danger of interacting indiscriminately with persons in these kinds of situations. Probably biting off more than I can chew.
Instead, I'll probably use the same "heart" to perhaps facilitate a resource site for Thelemic psychological professionals. You know, a place for people to have conversations about Thelemic philosophy from the perspective of emprical science and psychological research. The kind of place where no individual (like Hessle, for instance) is king, but where his voice is taken very seriously along with other serious attempts at engaging in this conversation. You know?
Don't know if many will be interested, but... people like ME would be very interested. Perhaps I can be of service to at least a few of my brothers and peers in this manner.
Ordo Ab Chao - Vires Per Sanitatem
peace.
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@Frater_AVV said
", a place for people to have conversations about Thelemic philosophy from the perspective of emprical science and psychological research."
i like this idea, maybe add to that comparative occult philosophy & theoretical physics.
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Hmmm...
I'm starting to picture a "doorway site" concept from which branch several different sites or at least several different forums. The unifying concept would be something of... the place where Thelema connects to modern science and the empirical perspective, whether it be through psychology, physics, or comparative philosophy...?
The heart of it would need to be a location for resources and discussion from a very specific Thelemic perspective (some might make the accusation "imbalanced") ...that particular pespective, however, being the most useful in engaging the scientific community at large from a Thelemic perspective ...while at the same time, honoring the other perspectives within Thelema... but staying true to the intent of the site as facilitating the conversation from that particular perspective...
I mean, I don't presume to be able to lead that conversation, but if I could just be a part of enabling other people to have it, I think I could be really happy about my hobbies, you know?
What do you think? I mean, really, my joy is going to come from the psychological aspect of it, but I'm liking the broader focus as well... Any creative insights as to possible format?