"Can't we all just get along?"
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Do What Thou Wilt Shall Be The Whole Of The Law.
My initial impression of the Heruraha site was that there was way too much testosterone for my liking. Most of what I read was a lot of “male dominant monkey mother f@#kers” (for lack of a better term) doing their best at some verbal jousting.
It got tiresome stepping back in time and wading through the halls of Anytown High School U.S.A. to gain some nugget of wisdom alluded to in the title of the post, three pages prior. So, I began analyzing the personalities of certain colorful enthusiastic posters to pass the time. Generally speaking, I found that it seems as if there are two prominent archetypes/personalities on this message board: [1] the “average” Thelemite (from which myriad sub-classifications can be made) and [2] the sadly misinformed, Pseudo-Pop Culture “Evil Satanist”; a lycanthropic wanna-be who still plots the revenge of some second grade slight which robbed him/her of his/her self-confidence.Since the latter types are stereotypically less physically developed (abnormalities being the unfortunate exception) they often turn inward, training and focusing on the brain; the result being the usual “pompous windbag” who attempts to impose his/her own will on others through verbal intimidation and intellectual dominance. You know the type: constantly vomiting out random bits of information as to appear worldly and knowledgeable. They usually exude the casual attitude that they’ve “got it all figured out” and an array of cleverly crafted come-backs are often at-the-ready. It seems like these nerds of newfound power have already forgotten what it is like to be ridiculed and bullied, themselves. The oppressed has become the oppressor. They have become the personification of the very thing through which they undoubtedly suffered.
Being a hard-headed, know-it-all, verbally abusive bully is not only ignorant but pointless for anything other than ego gratification. Confirmed graduation from this drowsy state should be a prerequisite for temple initiation. It’s one thing to have a strong opinion from which you will not allow yourself to be moved without a fight. However, when it crosses the line and degrades into blatant disrespect and flat out name-calling, haven’t you lost hold of the message of Thelema? Is not Love the Law? If you agree with the tenet that “Every man and every woman is a star” then shouldn't we all strive to acknowledge the God within each other; that Divine Spark that is the heart of life in every star? **“All words are sacred and all prophets true; save only that they understand a little.” ** Therefore shouldn't everyone’s word be, at least, respected? I do also recognize that Do What Thou Wilt is The Whole of The Law. So, if it IS anyone’s true will simply to be an A$$h@le, let no one say nay. I guess.
At the same time, I believe that there shouldn’t be any gold standard or one “approved” way to do or interpret things. I just don’t understand the relentless compulsion to force your opinion on others. That is the ultimate losing battle. Once this is truly understood, you can relax and liberate the energy you have invested in perpetuating that paradigm. You won’t feel the need to constantly overcompensate for your perceived short-comings through arrogant abusive verbiage while safe in the comfy confines of your computer chair. Beer-goggles’ pesky cousin Internet-balls is probably often the contributor to many a late night Heruraha retort. In which case, Thelema could definitely benefit from an increased female presence. As a female friend of mine put it, ‘There are just way too many guys who are getting laid way too little with way too much time on their hands and they’re all arguing on that site.’ (Paraphrased) “Nor let the fools mistake love; for there are love and love”.
I’m just saying, enough with the “No. You’re wrong because I know THIS…” never ending arguments. They are completely ego-driven and most often pointless in multiple contexts. One viewpoint is that true strength is rarely abusive or oppressive. As Rumi wrote, Why boast of your strength? The same wind that can topple a tree, Caresses the grass. Strength can be having the courage and confidence to entirely express the True Self that you know is deep within but also successfully express it without, extending to all aspects of your life; in the darkness and in the light. Then again, maybe it is one’s true will to be dominant and oppressive? Who knows!? In the meantime, why not stop the bickering and stick to contributing to the community with constructive and mature exchanges and not dominating or distracting from the originally intended purpose for the website and message boards. It'll be good for your will, regardless.
Comments and criticism welcomed and encouraged.
Love Is The Law, Love Under Will.
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Do What Thou Wilt Shall Be The Whole Of The Law.
My initial impression of the Heruraha site was that there was way too much testosterone for my liking. Most of what I read was a lot of “male dominant monkey mother f@#kers” (for lack of a better term) doing their best at some verbal jousting.
It got tiresome stepping back in time and wading through the halls of Anytown High School U.S.A. to gain some nugget of wisdom alluded to in the title of the post, three pages prior. So, I began analyzing the personalities of certain colorful enthusiastic posters to pass the time. Generally speaking, I found that it seems as if there are two prominent archetypes/personalities on this message board: [1] the “average” Thelemite (from which myriad sub-classifications can be made) and [2] the sadly misinformed, Pseudo-Pop Culture “Evil Satanist”; a lycanthropic wanna-be who still plots the revenge of some second grade slight which robbed him/her of his/her self-confidence.Since the latter types are stereotypically less physically developed (abnormalities being the unfortunate exception) they often turn inward, training and focusing on the brain; the result being the usual “pompous windbag” who attempts to impose his/her own will on others through verbal intimidation and intellectual dominance. You know the type: constantly vomiting out random bits of information as to appear worldly and knowledgeable. They usually exude the casual attitude that they’ve “got it all figured out” and an array of cleverly crafted come-backs are often at-the-ready. It seems like these nerds of newfound power have already forgotten what it is like to be ridiculed and bullied, themselves. The oppressed has become the oppressor. They have become the personification of the very thing through which they undoubtedly suffered.
Being a hard-headed, know-it-all, verbally abusive bully is not only ignorant but pointless for anything other than ego gratification. Confirmed graduation from this drowsy state should be a prerequisite for temple initiation. It’s one thing to have a strong opinion from which you will not allow yourself to be moved without a fight. However, when it crosses the line and degrades into blatant disrespect and flat out name-calling, haven’t you lost hold of the message of Thelema? Is not Love the Law? If you agree with the tenet that “Every man and every woman is a star” then shouldn't we all strive to acknowledge the God within each other; that Divine Spark that is the heart of life in every star? **“All words are sacred and all prophets true; save only that they understand a little.” ** Therefore shouldn't everyone’s word be, at least, respected? I do also recognize that Do What Thou Wilt is The Whole of The Law. So, if it IS anyone’s true will simply to be an A$$h@le, let no one say nay. I guess.
At the same time, I believe that there shouldn’t be any gold standard or one “approved” way to do or interpret things. I just don’t understand the relentless compulsion to force your opinion on others. That is the ultimate losing battle. Once this is truly understood, you can relax and liberate the energy you have invested in perpetuating that paradigm. You won’t feel the need to constantly overcompensate for your perceived short-comings through arrogant abusive verbiage while safe in the comfy confines of your computer chair. Beer-goggles’ pesky cousin Internet-balls is probably often the contributor to many a late night Heruraha retort. In which case, Thelema could definitely benefit from an increased female presence. As a female friend of mine put it, ‘There are just way too many guys who are getting laid way too little with way too much time on their hands and they’re all arguing on that site.’ (Paraphrased) “Nor let the fools mistake love; for there are love and love”.
I’m just saying, enough with the “No. You’re wrong because I know THIS…” never ending arguments. They are completely ego-driven and most often pointless in multiple contexts. One viewpoint is that true strength is rarely abusive or oppressive. As Rumi wrote, Why boast of your strength? The same wind that can topple a tree, Caresses the grass. Strength can be having the courage and confidence to entirely express the True Self that you know is deep within but also successfully express it without, extending to all aspects of your life; in the darkness and in the light. Then again, maybe it is one’s true will to be dominant and oppressive? Who knows!? In the meantime, why not stop the bickering and stick to contributing to the community with constructive and mature exchanges and not dominating or distracting from the originally intended purpose for the website and message boards. It'll be good for your will, regardless.
Comments and criticism welcomed and encouraged.
Love Is The Law, Love Under Will.
I hope this is not too off topic to the OP... I read this article recently, and found it interesting:
www.erwinhessle.com/writings/pdfs/The_Ethics_of_Thelema.pdf
The perennial question seems to be when to shrug your shoulders at another, and when to pipe up.
Can two wills be in conflict? Two stars can collide can't they? (of course, it's not often, and when it does, it's cataclysmic)
So, I've made a personal resolution to "let go" of any conflict (not to say an intellectual debate is a conflict, per se), unless my true will is being obstructed. And if so, I should be prepared to take it all the way, without compunction (until my path is clear). As a "plus" that mindset underscores the seriousness of my will, and of not treating trivial stuff as my true will...
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Do What Thou Wilt Shall Be The Whole Of The Law.
My initial impression of the Heruraha site was that there was way too much testosterone for my liking. Most of what I read was a lot of “male dominant monkey mother f@#kers” (for lack of a better term) doing their best at some verbal jousting.
It got tiresome stepping back in time and wading through the halls of Anytown High School U.S.A. to gain some nugget of wisdom alluded to in the title of the post, three pages prior. So, I began analyzing the personalities of certain colorful enthusiastic posters to pass the time. Generally speaking, I found that it seems as if there are two prominent archetypes/personalities on this message board: [1] the “average” Thelemite (from which myriad sub-classifications can be made) and [2] the sadly misinformed, Pseudo-Pop Culture “Evil Satanist”; a lycanthropic wanna-be who still plots the revenge of some second grade slight which robbed him/her of his/her self-confidence.Since the latter types are stereotypically less physically developed (abnormalities being the unfortunate exception) they often turn inward, training and focusing on the brain; the result being the usual “pompous windbag” who attempts to impose his/her own will on others through verbal intimidation and intellectual dominance. You know the type: constantly vomiting out random bits of information as to appear worldly and knowledgeable. They usually exude the casual attitude that they’ve “got it all figured out” and an array of cleverly crafted come-backs are often at-the-ready. It seems like these nerds of newfound power have already forgotten what it is like to be ridiculed and bullied, themselves. The oppressed has become the oppressor. They have become the personification of the very thing through which they undoubtedly suffered.
Being a hard-headed, know-it-all, verbally abusive bully is not only ignorant but pointless for anything other than ego gratification. Confirmed graduation from this drowsy state should be a prerequisite for temple initiation. It’s one thing to have a strong opinion from which you will not allow yourself to be moved without a fight. However, when it crosses the line and degrades into blatant disrespect and flat out name-calling, haven’t you lost hold of the message of Thelema? Is not Love the Law? If you agree with the tenet that “Every man and every woman is a star” then shouldn't we all strive to acknowledge the God within each other; that Divine Spark that is the heart of life in every star? **“All words are sacred and all prophets true; save only that they understand a little.” ** Therefore shouldn't everyone’s word be, at least, respected? I do also recognize that Do What Thou Wilt is The Whole of The Law. So, if it IS anyone’s true will simply to be an A$$h@le, let no one say nay. I guess.
At the same time, I believe that there shouldn’t be any gold standard or one “approved” way to do or interpret things. I just don’t understand the relentless compulsion to force your opinion on others. That is the ultimate losing battle. Once this is truly understood, you can relax and liberate the energy you have invested in perpetuating that paradigm. You won’t feel the need to constantly overcompensate for your perceived short-comings through arrogant abusive verbiage while safe in the comfy confines of your computer chair. Beer-goggles’ pesky cousin Internet-balls is probably often the contributor to many a late night Heruraha retort. In which case, Thelema could definitely benefit from an increased female presence. As a female friend of mine put it, ‘There are just way too many guys who are getting laid way too little with way too much time on their hands and they’re all arguing on that site.’ (Paraphrased) “Nor let the fools mistake love; for there are love and love”.
I’m just saying, enough with the “No. You’re wrong because I know THIS…” never ending arguments. They are completely ego-driven and most often pointless in multiple contexts. One viewpoint is that true strength is rarely abusive or oppressive. As Rumi wrote, Why boast of your strength? The same wind that can topple a tree, Caresses the grass. Strength can be having the courage and confidence to entirely express the True Self that you know is deep within but also successfully express it without, extending to all aspects of your life; in the darkness and in the light. Then again, maybe it is one’s true will to be dominant and oppressive? Who knows!? In the meantime, why not stop the bickering and stick to contributing to the community with constructive and mature exchanges and not dominating or distracting from the originally intended purpose for the website and message boards. It'll be good for your will, regardless.
Comments and criticism welcomed and encouraged.
Love Is The Law, Love Under Will.
I'm singing in the rain, just singing in the rain....
@Edward Mason said
"A year or two back, Jim Eshelman started posting daily texts from the Thelemic Tephilah, to start a devotionally oriented thread, or process. Ultimately, it bombed - people still wanted to debate and discuss fact and the meaning of words."
I miss that
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Do What Thou Wilt Shall Be The Whole Of The Law.
My initial impression of the Heruraha site was that there was way too much testosterone for my liking. Most of what I read was a lot of “male dominant monkey mother f@#kers” (for lack of a better term) doing their best at some verbal jousting.
It got tiresome stepping back in time and wading through the halls of Anytown High School U.S.A. to gain some nugget of wisdom alluded to in the title of the post, three pages prior. So, I began analyzing the personalities of certain colorful enthusiastic posters to pass the time. Generally speaking, I found that it seems as if there are two prominent archetypes/personalities on this message board: [1] the “average” Thelemite (from which myriad sub-classifications can be made) and [2] the sadly misinformed, Pseudo-Pop Culture “Evil Satanist”; a lycanthropic wanna-be who still plots the revenge of some second grade slight which robbed him/her of his/her self-confidence.Since the latter types are stereotypically less physically developed (abnormalities being the unfortunate exception) they often turn inward, training and focusing on the brain; the result being the usual “pompous windbag” who attempts to impose his/her own will on others through verbal intimidation and intellectual dominance. You know the type: constantly vomiting out random bits of information as to appear worldly and knowledgeable. They usually exude the casual attitude that they’ve “got it all figured out” and an array of cleverly crafted come-backs are often at-the-ready. It seems like these nerds of newfound power have already forgotten what it is like to be ridiculed and bullied, themselves. The oppressed has become the oppressor. They have become the personification of the very thing through which they undoubtedly suffered.
Being a hard-headed, know-it-all, verbally abusive bully is not only ignorant but pointless for anything other than ego gratification. Confirmed graduation from this drowsy state should be a prerequisite for temple initiation. It’s one thing to have a strong opinion from which you will not allow yourself to be moved without a fight. However, when it crosses the line and degrades into blatant disrespect and flat out name-calling, haven’t you lost hold of the message of Thelema? Is not Love the Law? If you agree with the tenet that “Every man and every woman is a star” then shouldn't we all strive to acknowledge the God within each other; that Divine Spark that is the heart of life in every star? **“All words are sacred and all prophets true; save only that they understand a little.” ** Therefore shouldn't everyone’s word be, at least, respected? I do also recognize that Do What Thou Wilt is The Whole of The Law. So, if it IS anyone’s true will simply to be an A$$h@le, let no one say nay. I guess.
At the same time, I believe that there shouldn’t be any gold standard or one “approved” way to do or interpret things. I just don’t understand the relentless compulsion to force your opinion on others. That is the ultimate losing battle. Once this is truly understood, you can relax and liberate the energy you have invested in perpetuating that paradigm. You won’t feel the need to constantly overcompensate for your perceived short-comings through arrogant abusive verbiage while safe in the comfy confines of your computer chair. Beer-goggles’ pesky cousin Internet-balls is probably often the contributor to many a late night Heruraha retort. In which case, Thelema could definitely benefit from an increased female presence. As a female friend of mine put it, ‘There are just way too many guys who are getting laid way too little with way too much time on their hands and they’re all arguing on that site.’ (Paraphrased) “Nor let the fools mistake love; for there are love and love”.
I’m just saying, enough with the “No. You’re wrong because I know THIS…” never ending arguments. They are completely ego-driven and most often pointless in multiple contexts. One viewpoint is that true strength is rarely abusive or oppressive. As Rumi wrote, Why boast of your strength? The same wind that can topple a tree, Caresses the grass. Strength can be having the courage and confidence to entirely express the True Self that you know is deep within but also successfully express it without, extending to all aspects of your life; in the darkness and in the light. Then again, maybe it is one’s true will to be dominant and oppressive? Who knows!? In the meantime, why not stop the bickering and stick to contributing to the community with constructive and mature exchanges and not dominating or distracting from the originally intended purpose for the website and message boards. It'll be good for your will, regardless.
Comments and criticism welcomed and encouraged.
Love Is The Law, Love Under Will.
@Uni_Verse said
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@Edward Mason said
"A year or two back, Jim Eshelman started posting daily texts from the Thelemic Tephilah, to start a devotionally oriented thread, or process. Ultimately, it bombed - people still wanted to debate and discuss fact and the meaning of words."I miss that
"I missed that too. I joined to forums shortly before that section went away. I'd probably contribute if it came back.
Need more Netzach at Heruraha.net!!
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Do What Thou Wilt Shall Be The Whole Of The Law.
My initial impression of the Heruraha site was that there was way too much testosterone for my liking. Most of what I read was a lot of “male dominant monkey mother f@#kers” (for lack of a better term) doing their best at some verbal jousting.
It got tiresome stepping back in time and wading through the halls of Anytown High School U.S.A. to gain some nugget of wisdom alluded to in the title of the post, three pages prior. So, I began analyzing the personalities of certain colorful enthusiastic posters to pass the time. Generally speaking, I found that it seems as if there are two prominent archetypes/personalities on this message board: [1] the “average” Thelemite (from which myriad sub-classifications can be made) and [2] the sadly misinformed, Pseudo-Pop Culture “Evil Satanist”; a lycanthropic wanna-be who still plots the revenge of some second grade slight which robbed him/her of his/her self-confidence.Since the latter types are stereotypically less physically developed (abnormalities being the unfortunate exception) they often turn inward, training and focusing on the brain; the result being the usual “pompous windbag” who attempts to impose his/her own will on others through verbal intimidation and intellectual dominance. You know the type: constantly vomiting out random bits of information as to appear worldly and knowledgeable. They usually exude the casual attitude that they’ve “got it all figured out” and an array of cleverly crafted come-backs are often at-the-ready. It seems like these nerds of newfound power have already forgotten what it is like to be ridiculed and bullied, themselves. The oppressed has become the oppressor. They have become the personification of the very thing through which they undoubtedly suffered.
Being a hard-headed, know-it-all, verbally abusive bully is not only ignorant but pointless for anything other than ego gratification. Confirmed graduation from this drowsy state should be a prerequisite for temple initiation. It’s one thing to have a strong opinion from which you will not allow yourself to be moved without a fight. However, when it crosses the line and degrades into blatant disrespect and flat out name-calling, haven’t you lost hold of the message of Thelema? Is not Love the Law? If you agree with the tenet that “Every man and every woman is a star” then shouldn't we all strive to acknowledge the God within each other; that Divine Spark that is the heart of life in every star? **“All words are sacred and all prophets true; save only that they understand a little.” ** Therefore shouldn't everyone’s word be, at least, respected? I do also recognize that Do What Thou Wilt is The Whole of The Law. So, if it IS anyone’s true will simply to be an A$$h@le, let no one say nay. I guess.
At the same time, I believe that there shouldn’t be any gold standard or one “approved” way to do or interpret things. I just don’t understand the relentless compulsion to force your opinion on others. That is the ultimate losing battle. Once this is truly understood, you can relax and liberate the energy you have invested in perpetuating that paradigm. You won’t feel the need to constantly overcompensate for your perceived short-comings through arrogant abusive verbiage while safe in the comfy confines of your computer chair. Beer-goggles’ pesky cousin Internet-balls is probably often the contributor to many a late night Heruraha retort. In which case, Thelema could definitely benefit from an increased female presence. As a female friend of mine put it, ‘There are just way too many guys who are getting laid way too little with way too much time on their hands and they’re all arguing on that site.’ (Paraphrased) “Nor let the fools mistake love; for there are love and love”.
I’m just saying, enough with the “No. You’re wrong because I know THIS…” never ending arguments. They are completely ego-driven and most often pointless in multiple contexts. One viewpoint is that true strength is rarely abusive or oppressive. As Rumi wrote, Why boast of your strength? The same wind that can topple a tree, Caresses the grass. Strength can be having the courage and confidence to entirely express the True Self that you know is deep within but also successfully express it without, extending to all aspects of your life; in the darkness and in the light. Then again, maybe it is one’s true will to be dominant and oppressive? Who knows!? In the meantime, why not stop the bickering and stick to contributing to the community with constructive and mature exchanges and not dominating or distracting from the originally intended purpose for the website and message boards. It'll be good for your will, regardless.
Comments and criticism welcomed and encouraged.
Love Is The Law, Love Under Will.
One major issue I find confusing is that there seems to be this mixed message being “preached” in Liber Legis. On one hand you have, “Come forth, o children, under the stars, & take your fill of love! I am above you and in you. My ecstasy is in yours. My joy is to see your joy.” At the same time you find, “We have nothing with the outcast and the unfit: let them die in their misery. For they feel not. Compassion is the vice of kings: stamp down the wretched & the weak: this is the law of the strong: this is our law and the joy of the world.” You find, “Love one another with burning hearts” as opposed to, “Mercy let be of: damn them who pity! Kill and torture; spare not; be upon them!”. It seems painfully obvious, despite what some clowns my like to think, that such passages are not condoning rampant murder, at least to me. Is this a display of the nature of dualism, an Eastern yin-yang thing or some Crowley mind-fuck? Interestingly enough, you often find people generally fall into one of the two broad categories when it comes to their personal interpretations of Thelema: “hippie“ or “hater“. Liber Legis even makes an effort to warn those who have ears to hear, “There is great danger in me; for who doth not understand these runes shall make a great miss.” Any more sage advice out there?
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Do What Thou Wilt Shall Be The Whole Of The Law.
My initial impression of the Heruraha site was that there was way too much testosterone for my liking. Most of what I read was a lot of “male dominant monkey mother f@#kers” (for lack of a better term) doing their best at some verbal jousting.
It got tiresome stepping back in time and wading through the halls of Anytown High School U.S.A. to gain some nugget of wisdom alluded to in the title of the post, three pages prior. So, I began analyzing the personalities of certain colorful enthusiastic posters to pass the time. Generally speaking, I found that it seems as if there are two prominent archetypes/personalities on this message board: [1] the “average” Thelemite (from which myriad sub-classifications can be made) and [2] the sadly misinformed, Pseudo-Pop Culture “Evil Satanist”; a lycanthropic wanna-be who still plots the revenge of some second grade slight which robbed him/her of his/her self-confidence.Since the latter types are stereotypically less physically developed (abnormalities being the unfortunate exception) they often turn inward, training and focusing on the brain; the result being the usual “pompous windbag” who attempts to impose his/her own will on others through verbal intimidation and intellectual dominance. You know the type: constantly vomiting out random bits of information as to appear worldly and knowledgeable. They usually exude the casual attitude that they’ve “got it all figured out” and an array of cleverly crafted come-backs are often at-the-ready. It seems like these nerds of newfound power have already forgotten what it is like to be ridiculed and bullied, themselves. The oppressed has become the oppressor. They have become the personification of the very thing through which they undoubtedly suffered.
Being a hard-headed, know-it-all, verbally abusive bully is not only ignorant but pointless for anything other than ego gratification. Confirmed graduation from this drowsy state should be a prerequisite for temple initiation. It’s one thing to have a strong opinion from which you will not allow yourself to be moved without a fight. However, when it crosses the line and degrades into blatant disrespect and flat out name-calling, haven’t you lost hold of the message of Thelema? Is not Love the Law? If you agree with the tenet that “Every man and every woman is a star” then shouldn't we all strive to acknowledge the God within each other; that Divine Spark that is the heart of life in every star? **“All words are sacred and all prophets true; save only that they understand a little.” ** Therefore shouldn't everyone’s word be, at least, respected? I do also recognize that Do What Thou Wilt is The Whole of The Law. So, if it IS anyone’s true will simply to be an A$$h@le, let no one say nay. I guess.
At the same time, I believe that there shouldn’t be any gold standard or one “approved” way to do or interpret things. I just don’t understand the relentless compulsion to force your opinion on others. That is the ultimate losing battle. Once this is truly understood, you can relax and liberate the energy you have invested in perpetuating that paradigm. You won’t feel the need to constantly overcompensate for your perceived short-comings through arrogant abusive verbiage while safe in the comfy confines of your computer chair. Beer-goggles’ pesky cousin Internet-balls is probably often the contributor to many a late night Heruraha retort. In which case, Thelema could definitely benefit from an increased female presence. As a female friend of mine put it, ‘There are just way too many guys who are getting laid way too little with way too much time on their hands and they’re all arguing on that site.’ (Paraphrased) “Nor let the fools mistake love; for there are love and love”.
I’m just saying, enough with the “No. You’re wrong because I know THIS…” never ending arguments. They are completely ego-driven and most often pointless in multiple contexts. One viewpoint is that true strength is rarely abusive or oppressive. As Rumi wrote, Why boast of your strength? The same wind that can topple a tree, Caresses the grass. Strength can be having the courage and confidence to entirely express the True Self that you know is deep within but also successfully express it without, extending to all aspects of your life; in the darkness and in the light. Then again, maybe it is one’s true will to be dominant and oppressive? Who knows!? In the meantime, why not stop the bickering and stick to contributing to the community with constructive and mature exchanges and not dominating or distracting from the originally intended purpose for the website and message boards. It'll be good for your will, regardless.
Comments and criticism welcomed and encouraged.
Love Is The Law, Love Under Will.
Not sure anyone can resolve the Hadit and Nuit for you.
In words and symbols we can certainly invoke the 5=6, the rose and cross, the sexual union, and many others, but these are sign posts than point the way. The reason tends to hold one or the other, or the rationalize and resolve the one in the terms of the other.We can switch between one view or the other, but resolving the opposites can not be done fully by the reason, much less by the emotion.
When you have fully explored the details of both views so that each seems to contain and transform into the other. Then and only then You would be advised and admitted to practice the formula of the Rose and Cross.
If you are ready, I would suggest you begin such practice and perhaps conjoin this with an Abramelin ritual like Liber Samekh.
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Do What Thou Wilt Shall Be The Whole Of The Law.
My initial impression of the Heruraha site was that there was way too much testosterone for my liking. Most of what I read was a lot of “male dominant monkey mother f@#kers” (for lack of a better term) doing their best at some verbal jousting.
It got tiresome stepping back in time and wading through the halls of Anytown High School U.S.A. to gain some nugget of wisdom alluded to in the title of the post, three pages prior. So, I began analyzing the personalities of certain colorful enthusiastic posters to pass the time. Generally speaking, I found that it seems as if there are two prominent archetypes/personalities on this message board: [1] the “average” Thelemite (from which myriad sub-classifications can be made) and [2] the sadly misinformed, Pseudo-Pop Culture “Evil Satanist”; a lycanthropic wanna-be who still plots the revenge of some second grade slight which robbed him/her of his/her self-confidence.Since the latter types are stereotypically less physically developed (abnormalities being the unfortunate exception) they often turn inward, training and focusing on the brain; the result being the usual “pompous windbag” who attempts to impose his/her own will on others through verbal intimidation and intellectual dominance. You know the type: constantly vomiting out random bits of information as to appear worldly and knowledgeable. They usually exude the casual attitude that they’ve “got it all figured out” and an array of cleverly crafted come-backs are often at-the-ready. It seems like these nerds of newfound power have already forgotten what it is like to be ridiculed and bullied, themselves. The oppressed has become the oppressor. They have become the personification of the very thing through which they undoubtedly suffered.
Being a hard-headed, know-it-all, verbally abusive bully is not only ignorant but pointless for anything other than ego gratification. Confirmed graduation from this drowsy state should be a prerequisite for temple initiation. It’s one thing to have a strong opinion from which you will not allow yourself to be moved without a fight. However, when it crosses the line and degrades into blatant disrespect and flat out name-calling, haven’t you lost hold of the message of Thelema? Is not Love the Law? If you agree with the tenet that “Every man and every woman is a star” then shouldn't we all strive to acknowledge the God within each other; that Divine Spark that is the heart of life in every star? **“All words are sacred and all prophets true; save only that they understand a little.” ** Therefore shouldn't everyone’s word be, at least, respected? I do also recognize that Do What Thou Wilt is The Whole of The Law. So, if it IS anyone’s true will simply to be an A$$h@le, let no one say nay. I guess.
At the same time, I believe that there shouldn’t be any gold standard or one “approved” way to do or interpret things. I just don’t understand the relentless compulsion to force your opinion on others. That is the ultimate losing battle. Once this is truly understood, you can relax and liberate the energy you have invested in perpetuating that paradigm. You won’t feel the need to constantly overcompensate for your perceived short-comings through arrogant abusive verbiage while safe in the comfy confines of your computer chair. Beer-goggles’ pesky cousin Internet-balls is probably often the contributor to many a late night Heruraha retort. In which case, Thelema could definitely benefit from an increased female presence. As a female friend of mine put it, ‘There are just way too many guys who are getting laid way too little with way too much time on their hands and they’re all arguing on that site.’ (Paraphrased) “Nor let the fools mistake love; for there are love and love”.
I’m just saying, enough with the “No. You’re wrong because I know THIS…” never ending arguments. They are completely ego-driven and most often pointless in multiple contexts. One viewpoint is that true strength is rarely abusive or oppressive. As Rumi wrote, Why boast of your strength? The same wind that can topple a tree, Caresses the grass. Strength can be having the courage and confidence to entirely express the True Self that you know is deep within but also successfully express it without, extending to all aspects of your life; in the darkness and in the light. Then again, maybe it is one’s true will to be dominant and oppressive? Who knows!? In the meantime, why not stop the bickering and stick to contributing to the community with constructive and mature exchanges and not dominating or distracting from the originally intended purpose for the website and message boards. It'll be good for your will, regardless.
Comments and criticism welcomed and encouraged.
Love Is The Law, Love Under Will.
I guess that notion of opposing forces constantly jockying for position in order to acheive that perfect delicate balance is the inherent structure of Liber Legis: Had! The Manifestation of Nuit and Nu! The hiding of Hadit culminating in the Reward of Ra Hoor Khut.
Has anyone ever able to attain that sublime merged state signified by the 6-pointed star (the red and blue triangels meeting) and remain there? Or are there only glimpses of this available? Is this life defined by the dance between the pillars as the very human personification of the ever-evolving Middle Pillar of Equilibrium? (Woo! L.A. Confidential!)
At a certain point the futility of it all overcomes me. Still, I see too many instances where caution and humility are encouraged:
"Yet, oh aspirant, let thy victories bring thee not Vanity, for with increase of Knowledge should come increase of Wisdom. He who knoweth little, thinketh he knoweth much; but he who knoweth much hath learned his own ignorance. Seest thou a man wise in his own conceit? There is more hope of a fool, than of him.
"Be not hasty to condemn others; how knowest thou that in their place, thou couldst have resisted the temptation? And even were it so, why shouldest thou despise one who is weaker than thyself?
"Thou therefore who desirest Magical Gifts, be sure that thy soul is firm and steadfast; for it is by flattering thy weaknesses that the Weak Ones will gain power over thee. Humble thyself before they Self, yet fear neither man nor spirit. Fear is failure, and the forerunner of failure; and courage is the begining of virture."
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Do What Thou Wilt Shall Be The Whole Of The Law.
My initial impression of the Heruraha site was that there was way too much testosterone for my liking. Most of what I read was a lot of “male dominant monkey mother f@#kers” (for lack of a better term) doing their best at some verbal jousting.
It got tiresome stepping back in time and wading through the halls of Anytown High School U.S.A. to gain some nugget of wisdom alluded to in the title of the post, three pages prior. So, I began analyzing the personalities of certain colorful enthusiastic posters to pass the time. Generally speaking, I found that it seems as if there are two prominent archetypes/personalities on this message board: [1] the “average” Thelemite (from which myriad sub-classifications can be made) and [2] the sadly misinformed, Pseudo-Pop Culture “Evil Satanist”; a lycanthropic wanna-be who still plots the revenge of some second grade slight which robbed him/her of his/her self-confidence.Since the latter types are stereotypically less physically developed (abnormalities being the unfortunate exception) they often turn inward, training and focusing on the brain; the result being the usual “pompous windbag” who attempts to impose his/her own will on others through verbal intimidation and intellectual dominance. You know the type: constantly vomiting out random bits of information as to appear worldly and knowledgeable. They usually exude the casual attitude that they’ve “got it all figured out” and an array of cleverly crafted come-backs are often at-the-ready. It seems like these nerds of newfound power have already forgotten what it is like to be ridiculed and bullied, themselves. The oppressed has become the oppressor. They have become the personification of the very thing through which they undoubtedly suffered.
Being a hard-headed, know-it-all, verbally abusive bully is not only ignorant but pointless for anything other than ego gratification. Confirmed graduation from this drowsy state should be a prerequisite for temple initiation. It’s one thing to have a strong opinion from which you will not allow yourself to be moved without a fight. However, when it crosses the line and degrades into blatant disrespect and flat out name-calling, haven’t you lost hold of the message of Thelema? Is not Love the Law? If you agree with the tenet that “Every man and every woman is a star” then shouldn't we all strive to acknowledge the God within each other; that Divine Spark that is the heart of life in every star? **“All words are sacred and all prophets true; save only that they understand a little.” ** Therefore shouldn't everyone’s word be, at least, respected? I do also recognize that Do What Thou Wilt is The Whole of The Law. So, if it IS anyone’s true will simply to be an A$$h@le, let no one say nay. I guess.
At the same time, I believe that there shouldn’t be any gold standard or one “approved” way to do or interpret things. I just don’t understand the relentless compulsion to force your opinion on others. That is the ultimate losing battle. Once this is truly understood, you can relax and liberate the energy you have invested in perpetuating that paradigm. You won’t feel the need to constantly overcompensate for your perceived short-comings through arrogant abusive verbiage while safe in the comfy confines of your computer chair. Beer-goggles’ pesky cousin Internet-balls is probably often the contributor to many a late night Heruraha retort. In which case, Thelema could definitely benefit from an increased female presence. As a female friend of mine put it, ‘There are just way too many guys who are getting laid way too little with way too much time on their hands and they’re all arguing on that site.’ (Paraphrased) “Nor let the fools mistake love; for there are love and love”.
I’m just saying, enough with the “No. You’re wrong because I know THIS…” never ending arguments. They are completely ego-driven and most often pointless in multiple contexts. One viewpoint is that true strength is rarely abusive or oppressive. As Rumi wrote, Why boast of your strength? The same wind that can topple a tree, Caresses the grass. Strength can be having the courage and confidence to entirely express the True Self that you know is deep within but also successfully express it without, extending to all aspects of your life; in the darkness and in the light. Then again, maybe it is one’s true will to be dominant and oppressive? Who knows!? In the meantime, why not stop the bickering and stick to contributing to the community with constructive and mature exchanges and not dominating or distracting from the originally intended purpose for the website and message boards. It'll be good for your will, regardless.
Comments and criticism welcomed and encouraged.
Love Is The Law, Love Under Will.
VITRIOL,
I learned a lot about the apparently dual-sided nature of existence that Liber Legis speaks of (by the way, some other authors who speak of this as well are Lao Tzu and Chuang Tzu) through the practice of martial arts. Fighting is a practice that naturally tends to encourage things like aggression, tension, fear, hatred, unyielding strength and so on. Yet almost paradoxically, the most effective fighters are those who can remain calm, relaxed, unafraid, loving, yielding, and even therapeutic in their actions, even if those actions are knocking an assailant unconscious, breaking limbs, or even perhaps killing them if need be.
One thing that Liber Legis displays is that one can be merciful and severe at the same time. The brutality of unhindered force without love is misguided. Love without selectively directed unstoppable force is ineffective. If you've ever tried being truly honest with yourself about yourself, you've probably found that it can hurt like hell, and that we cover ourselves from ourselves with layer upon layer of protective (hiding) mechanisms. One who has not the capability to be "cruel" or "harsh" will have trouble being truly honest. One who has not the capability to be loving and caring will have trouble being truly honest.
In learning how to balance ourselves out, it is easy to swing from one side to the other. Most of us on this forum are in the process of learning this balancing act and will be for decades to come. It's best to bear with the hippies and haters and recognize that we're just learning.
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Do What Thou Wilt Shall Be The Whole Of The Law.
My initial impression of the Heruraha site was that there was way too much testosterone for my liking. Most of what I read was a lot of “male dominant monkey mother f@#kers” (for lack of a better term) doing their best at some verbal jousting.
It got tiresome stepping back in time and wading through the halls of Anytown High School U.S.A. to gain some nugget of wisdom alluded to in the title of the post, three pages prior. So, I began analyzing the personalities of certain colorful enthusiastic posters to pass the time. Generally speaking, I found that it seems as if there are two prominent archetypes/personalities on this message board: [1] the “average” Thelemite (from which myriad sub-classifications can be made) and [2] the sadly misinformed, Pseudo-Pop Culture “Evil Satanist”; a lycanthropic wanna-be who still plots the revenge of some second grade slight which robbed him/her of his/her self-confidence.Since the latter types are stereotypically less physically developed (abnormalities being the unfortunate exception) they often turn inward, training and focusing on the brain; the result being the usual “pompous windbag” who attempts to impose his/her own will on others through verbal intimidation and intellectual dominance. You know the type: constantly vomiting out random bits of information as to appear worldly and knowledgeable. They usually exude the casual attitude that they’ve “got it all figured out” and an array of cleverly crafted come-backs are often at-the-ready. It seems like these nerds of newfound power have already forgotten what it is like to be ridiculed and bullied, themselves. The oppressed has become the oppressor. They have become the personification of the very thing through which they undoubtedly suffered.
Being a hard-headed, know-it-all, verbally abusive bully is not only ignorant but pointless for anything other than ego gratification. Confirmed graduation from this drowsy state should be a prerequisite for temple initiation. It’s one thing to have a strong opinion from which you will not allow yourself to be moved without a fight. However, when it crosses the line and degrades into blatant disrespect and flat out name-calling, haven’t you lost hold of the message of Thelema? Is not Love the Law? If you agree with the tenet that “Every man and every woman is a star” then shouldn't we all strive to acknowledge the God within each other; that Divine Spark that is the heart of life in every star? **“All words are sacred and all prophets true; save only that they understand a little.” ** Therefore shouldn't everyone’s word be, at least, respected? I do also recognize that Do What Thou Wilt is The Whole of The Law. So, if it IS anyone’s true will simply to be an A$$h@le, let no one say nay. I guess.
At the same time, I believe that there shouldn’t be any gold standard or one “approved” way to do or interpret things. I just don’t understand the relentless compulsion to force your opinion on others. That is the ultimate losing battle. Once this is truly understood, you can relax and liberate the energy you have invested in perpetuating that paradigm. You won’t feel the need to constantly overcompensate for your perceived short-comings through arrogant abusive verbiage while safe in the comfy confines of your computer chair. Beer-goggles’ pesky cousin Internet-balls is probably often the contributor to many a late night Heruraha retort. In which case, Thelema could definitely benefit from an increased female presence. As a female friend of mine put it, ‘There are just way too many guys who are getting laid way too little with way too much time on their hands and they’re all arguing on that site.’ (Paraphrased) “Nor let the fools mistake love; for there are love and love”.
I’m just saying, enough with the “No. You’re wrong because I know THIS…” never ending arguments. They are completely ego-driven and most often pointless in multiple contexts. One viewpoint is that true strength is rarely abusive or oppressive. As Rumi wrote, Why boast of your strength? The same wind that can topple a tree, Caresses the grass. Strength can be having the courage and confidence to entirely express the True Self that you know is deep within but also successfully express it without, extending to all aspects of your life; in the darkness and in the light. Then again, maybe it is one’s true will to be dominant and oppressive? Who knows!? In the meantime, why not stop the bickering and stick to contributing to the community with constructive and mature exchanges and not dominating or distracting from the originally intended purpose for the website and message boards. It'll be good for your will, regardless.
Comments and criticism welcomed and encouraged.
Love Is The Law, Love Under Will.
"":kw9gcu3q]One major issue I find confusing is that there seems to be this mixed message being “preached” in Liber Legis. On one hand you have, “Come forth, o children, under the stars, & take your fill of love! I am above you and in you. My ecstasy is in yours. My joy is to see your joy.” At the same time you find, “We have nothing with the outcast and the unfit: let them die in their misery. For they feel not. Compassion is the vice of kings: stamp down the wretched & the weak: this is the law of the strong: this is our law and the joy of the world.” You find, “Love one another with burning hearts” as opposed to, “Mercy let be of: damn them who pity! Kill and torture; spare not; be upon them!”. "
I've long found it most useful to realize that Liber L. is presenting three distinctive points of view - one in each chapter - and allowed the three separate (and often disagreeing) aspects to simply coexist.
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Do What Thou Wilt Shall Be The Whole Of The Law.
My initial impression of the Heruraha site was that there was way too much testosterone for my liking. Most of what I read was a lot of “male dominant monkey mother f@#kers” (for lack of a better term) doing their best at some verbal jousting.
It got tiresome stepping back in time and wading through the halls of Anytown High School U.S.A. to gain some nugget of wisdom alluded to in the title of the post, three pages prior. So, I began analyzing the personalities of certain colorful enthusiastic posters to pass the time. Generally speaking, I found that it seems as if there are two prominent archetypes/personalities on this message board: [1] the “average” Thelemite (from which myriad sub-classifications can be made) and [2] the sadly misinformed, Pseudo-Pop Culture “Evil Satanist”; a lycanthropic wanna-be who still plots the revenge of some second grade slight which robbed him/her of his/her self-confidence.Since the latter types are stereotypically less physically developed (abnormalities being the unfortunate exception) they often turn inward, training and focusing on the brain; the result being the usual “pompous windbag” who attempts to impose his/her own will on others through verbal intimidation and intellectual dominance. You know the type: constantly vomiting out random bits of information as to appear worldly and knowledgeable. They usually exude the casual attitude that they’ve “got it all figured out” and an array of cleverly crafted come-backs are often at-the-ready. It seems like these nerds of newfound power have already forgotten what it is like to be ridiculed and bullied, themselves. The oppressed has become the oppressor. They have become the personification of the very thing through which they undoubtedly suffered.
Being a hard-headed, know-it-all, verbally abusive bully is not only ignorant but pointless for anything other than ego gratification. Confirmed graduation from this drowsy state should be a prerequisite for temple initiation. It’s one thing to have a strong opinion from which you will not allow yourself to be moved without a fight. However, when it crosses the line and degrades into blatant disrespect and flat out name-calling, haven’t you lost hold of the message of Thelema? Is not Love the Law? If you agree with the tenet that “Every man and every woman is a star” then shouldn't we all strive to acknowledge the God within each other; that Divine Spark that is the heart of life in every star? **“All words are sacred and all prophets true; save only that they understand a little.” ** Therefore shouldn't everyone’s word be, at least, respected? I do also recognize that Do What Thou Wilt is The Whole of The Law. So, if it IS anyone’s true will simply to be an A$$h@le, let no one say nay. I guess.
At the same time, I believe that there shouldn’t be any gold standard or one “approved” way to do or interpret things. I just don’t understand the relentless compulsion to force your opinion on others. That is the ultimate losing battle. Once this is truly understood, you can relax and liberate the energy you have invested in perpetuating that paradigm. You won’t feel the need to constantly overcompensate for your perceived short-comings through arrogant abusive verbiage while safe in the comfy confines of your computer chair. Beer-goggles’ pesky cousin Internet-balls is probably often the contributor to many a late night Heruraha retort. In which case, Thelema could definitely benefit from an increased female presence. As a female friend of mine put it, ‘There are just way too many guys who are getting laid way too little with way too much time on their hands and they’re all arguing on that site.’ (Paraphrased) “Nor let the fools mistake love; for there are love and love”.
I’m just saying, enough with the “No. You’re wrong because I know THIS…” never ending arguments. They are completely ego-driven and most often pointless in multiple contexts. One viewpoint is that true strength is rarely abusive or oppressive. As Rumi wrote, Why boast of your strength? The same wind that can topple a tree, Caresses the grass. Strength can be having the courage and confidence to entirely express the True Self that you know is deep within but also successfully express it without, extending to all aspects of your life; in the darkness and in the light. Then again, maybe it is one’s true will to be dominant and oppressive? Who knows!? In the meantime, why not stop the bickering and stick to contributing to the community with constructive and mature exchanges and not dominating or distracting from the originally intended purpose for the website and message boards. It'll be good for your will, regardless.
Comments and criticism welcomed and encouraged.
Love Is The Law, Love Under Will.
"":2rmazenk]I guess that notion of opposing forces constantly jockying for position in order to acheive that perfect delicate balance is the inherent structure of Liber Legis"
It need not be seen so competitively. They can simply coexist. (See, you've adopted a particular poiont of view in your labelling of them.)
"Has anyone ever able to attain that sublime merged state signified by the 6-pointed star (the red and blue triangels meeting) and remain there? Or are there only glimpses of this available? "
That's a great (even insightful) question. The answer to the question as asked is, of course they have. But I think the question you mean to ask is more about the typical reaching of that place.
There does come a point where (speaking symbolically) the two triangles, instead of naturally gravitating apart unless held together by concentration, switch to naturally falling into each other. A union is made that is permanent. But, that link being deep rather than superficial, it is in the individual's depths that it's experienced, and not necessarily in his or her surface or superficial aspects that it is always evident. In some ways one could say that, the fusion having been made, one is "visited" by it here and there with greater frequency. But at the same time, if it was authentically made, the link is continually present, even in the personality's worst moments.
The personality isn't dispensed with, nor is it where the transformation essentially takes place. It does, however, undergo healing for years thereafter simply by its exposure to the deep union that never departs.
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Do What Thou Wilt Shall Be The Whole Of The Law.
My initial impression of the Heruraha site was that there was way too much testosterone for my liking. Most of what I read was a lot of “male dominant monkey mother f@#kers” (for lack of a better term) doing their best at some verbal jousting.
It got tiresome stepping back in time and wading through the halls of Anytown High School U.S.A. to gain some nugget of wisdom alluded to in the title of the post, three pages prior. So, I began analyzing the personalities of certain colorful enthusiastic posters to pass the time. Generally speaking, I found that it seems as if there are two prominent archetypes/personalities on this message board: [1] the “average” Thelemite (from which myriad sub-classifications can be made) and [2] the sadly misinformed, Pseudo-Pop Culture “Evil Satanist”; a lycanthropic wanna-be who still plots the revenge of some second grade slight which robbed him/her of his/her self-confidence.Since the latter types are stereotypically less physically developed (abnormalities being the unfortunate exception) they often turn inward, training and focusing on the brain; the result being the usual “pompous windbag” who attempts to impose his/her own will on others through verbal intimidation and intellectual dominance. You know the type: constantly vomiting out random bits of information as to appear worldly and knowledgeable. They usually exude the casual attitude that they’ve “got it all figured out” and an array of cleverly crafted come-backs are often at-the-ready. It seems like these nerds of newfound power have already forgotten what it is like to be ridiculed and bullied, themselves. The oppressed has become the oppressor. They have become the personification of the very thing through which they undoubtedly suffered.
Being a hard-headed, know-it-all, verbally abusive bully is not only ignorant but pointless for anything other than ego gratification. Confirmed graduation from this drowsy state should be a prerequisite for temple initiation. It’s one thing to have a strong opinion from which you will not allow yourself to be moved without a fight. However, when it crosses the line and degrades into blatant disrespect and flat out name-calling, haven’t you lost hold of the message of Thelema? Is not Love the Law? If you agree with the tenet that “Every man and every woman is a star” then shouldn't we all strive to acknowledge the God within each other; that Divine Spark that is the heart of life in every star? **“All words are sacred and all prophets true; save only that they understand a little.” ** Therefore shouldn't everyone’s word be, at least, respected? I do also recognize that Do What Thou Wilt is The Whole of The Law. So, if it IS anyone’s true will simply to be an A$$h@le, let no one say nay. I guess.
At the same time, I believe that there shouldn’t be any gold standard or one “approved” way to do or interpret things. I just don’t understand the relentless compulsion to force your opinion on others. That is the ultimate losing battle. Once this is truly understood, you can relax and liberate the energy you have invested in perpetuating that paradigm. You won’t feel the need to constantly overcompensate for your perceived short-comings through arrogant abusive verbiage while safe in the comfy confines of your computer chair. Beer-goggles’ pesky cousin Internet-balls is probably often the contributor to many a late night Heruraha retort. In which case, Thelema could definitely benefit from an increased female presence. As a female friend of mine put it, ‘There are just way too many guys who are getting laid way too little with way too much time on their hands and they’re all arguing on that site.’ (Paraphrased) “Nor let the fools mistake love; for there are love and love”.
I’m just saying, enough with the “No. You’re wrong because I know THIS…” never ending arguments. They are completely ego-driven and most often pointless in multiple contexts. One viewpoint is that true strength is rarely abusive or oppressive. As Rumi wrote, Why boast of your strength? The same wind that can topple a tree, Caresses the grass. Strength can be having the courage and confidence to entirely express the True Self that you know is deep within but also successfully express it without, extending to all aspects of your life; in the darkness and in the light. Then again, maybe it is one’s true will to be dominant and oppressive? Who knows!? In the meantime, why not stop the bickering and stick to contributing to the community with constructive and mature exchanges and not dominating or distracting from the originally intended purpose for the website and message boards. It'll be good for your will, regardless.
Comments and criticism welcomed and encouraged.
Love Is The Law, Love Under Will.
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Do What Thou Wilt Shall Be The Whole Of The Law.
My initial impression of the Heruraha site was that there was way too much testosterone for my liking. Most of what I read was a lot of “male dominant monkey mother f@#kers” (for lack of a better term) doing their best at some verbal jousting.
It got tiresome stepping back in time and wading through the halls of Anytown High School U.S.A. to gain some nugget of wisdom alluded to in the title of the post, three pages prior. So, I began analyzing the personalities of certain colorful enthusiastic posters to pass the time. Generally speaking, I found that it seems as if there are two prominent archetypes/personalities on this message board: [1] the “average” Thelemite (from which myriad sub-classifications can be made) and [2] the sadly misinformed, Pseudo-Pop Culture “Evil Satanist”; a lycanthropic wanna-be who still plots the revenge of some second grade slight which robbed him/her of his/her self-confidence.Since the latter types are stereotypically less physically developed (abnormalities being the unfortunate exception) they often turn inward, training and focusing on the brain; the result being the usual “pompous windbag” who attempts to impose his/her own will on others through verbal intimidation and intellectual dominance. You know the type: constantly vomiting out random bits of information as to appear worldly and knowledgeable. They usually exude the casual attitude that they’ve “got it all figured out” and an array of cleverly crafted come-backs are often at-the-ready. It seems like these nerds of newfound power have already forgotten what it is like to be ridiculed and bullied, themselves. The oppressed has become the oppressor. They have become the personification of the very thing through which they undoubtedly suffered.
Being a hard-headed, know-it-all, verbally abusive bully is not only ignorant but pointless for anything other than ego gratification. Confirmed graduation from this drowsy state should be a prerequisite for temple initiation. It’s one thing to have a strong opinion from which you will not allow yourself to be moved without a fight. However, when it crosses the line and degrades into blatant disrespect and flat out name-calling, haven’t you lost hold of the message of Thelema? Is not Love the Law? If you agree with the tenet that “Every man and every woman is a star” then shouldn't we all strive to acknowledge the God within each other; that Divine Spark that is the heart of life in every star? **“All words are sacred and all prophets true; save only that they understand a little.” ** Therefore shouldn't everyone’s word be, at least, respected? I do also recognize that Do What Thou Wilt is The Whole of The Law. So, if it IS anyone’s true will simply to be an A$$h@le, let no one say nay. I guess.
At the same time, I believe that there shouldn’t be any gold standard or one “approved” way to do or interpret things. I just don’t understand the relentless compulsion to force your opinion on others. That is the ultimate losing battle. Once this is truly understood, you can relax and liberate the energy you have invested in perpetuating that paradigm. You won’t feel the need to constantly overcompensate for your perceived short-comings through arrogant abusive verbiage while safe in the comfy confines of your computer chair. Beer-goggles’ pesky cousin Internet-balls is probably often the contributor to many a late night Heruraha retort. In which case, Thelema could definitely benefit from an increased female presence. As a female friend of mine put it, ‘There are just way too many guys who are getting laid way too little with way too much time on their hands and they’re all arguing on that site.’ (Paraphrased) “Nor let the fools mistake love; for there are love and love”.
I’m just saying, enough with the “No. You’re wrong because I know THIS…” never ending arguments. They are completely ego-driven and most often pointless in multiple contexts. One viewpoint is that true strength is rarely abusive or oppressive. As Rumi wrote, Why boast of your strength? The same wind that can topple a tree, Caresses the grass. Strength can be having the courage and confidence to entirely express the True Self that you know is deep within but also successfully express it without, extending to all aspects of your life; in the darkness and in the light. Then again, maybe it is one’s true will to be dominant and oppressive? Who knows!? In the meantime, why not stop the bickering and stick to contributing to the community with constructive and mature exchanges and not dominating or distracting from the originally intended purpose for the website and message boards. It'll be good for your will, regardless.
Comments and criticism welcomed and encouraged.
Love Is The Law, Love Under Will.
Well, I hope not.
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Do What Thou Wilt Shall Be The Whole Of The Law.
My initial impression of the Heruraha site was that there was way too much testosterone for my liking. Most of what I read was a lot of “male dominant monkey mother f@#kers” (for lack of a better term) doing their best at some verbal jousting.
It got tiresome stepping back in time and wading through the halls of Anytown High School U.S.A. to gain some nugget of wisdom alluded to in the title of the post, three pages prior. So, I began analyzing the personalities of certain colorful enthusiastic posters to pass the time. Generally speaking, I found that it seems as if there are two prominent archetypes/personalities on this message board: [1] the “average” Thelemite (from which myriad sub-classifications can be made) and [2] the sadly misinformed, Pseudo-Pop Culture “Evil Satanist”; a lycanthropic wanna-be who still plots the revenge of some second grade slight which robbed him/her of his/her self-confidence.Since the latter types are stereotypically less physically developed (abnormalities being the unfortunate exception) they often turn inward, training and focusing on the brain; the result being the usual “pompous windbag” who attempts to impose his/her own will on others through verbal intimidation and intellectual dominance. You know the type: constantly vomiting out random bits of information as to appear worldly and knowledgeable. They usually exude the casual attitude that they’ve “got it all figured out” and an array of cleverly crafted come-backs are often at-the-ready. It seems like these nerds of newfound power have already forgotten what it is like to be ridiculed and bullied, themselves. The oppressed has become the oppressor. They have become the personification of the very thing through which they undoubtedly suffered.
Being a hard-headed, know-it-all, verbally abusive bully is not only ignorant but pointless for anything other than ego gratification. Confirmed graduation from this drowsy state should be a prerequisite for temple initiation. It’s one thing to have a strong opinion from which you will not allow yourself to be moved without a fight. However, when it crosses the line and degrades into blatant disrespect and flat out name-calling, haven’t you lost hold of the message of Thelema? Is not Love the Law? If you agree with the tenet that “Every man and every woman is a star” then shouldn't we all strive to acknowledge the God within each other; that Divine Spark that is the heart of life in every star? **“All words are sacred and all prophets true; save only that they understand a little.” ** Therefore shouldn't everyone’s word be, at least, respected? I do also recognize that Do What Thou Wilt is The Whole of The Law. So, if it IS anyone’s true will simply to be an A$$h@le, let no one say nay. I guess.
At the same time, I believe that there shouldn’t be any gold standard or one “approved” way to do or interpret things. I just don’t understand the relentless compulsion to force your opinion on others. That is the ultimate losing battle. Once this is truly understood, you can relax and liberate the energy you have invested in perpetuating that paradigm. You won’t feel the need to constantly overcompensate for your perceived short-comings through arrogant abusive verbiage while safe in the comfy confines of your computer chair. Beer-goggles’ pesky cousin Internet-balls is probably often the contributor to many a late night Heruraha retort. In which case, Thelema could definitely benefit from an increased female presence. As a female friend of mine put it, ‘There are just way too many guys who are getting laid way too little with way too much time on their hands and they’re all arguing on that site.’ (Paraphrased) “Nor let the fools mistake love; for there are love and love”.
I’m just saying, enough with the “No. You’re wrong because I know THIS…” never ending arguments. They are completely ego-driven and most often pointless in multiple contexts. One viewpoint is that true strength is rarely abusive or oppressive. As Rumi wrote, Why boast of your strength? The same wind that can topple a tree, Caresses the grass. Strength can be having the courage and confidence to entirely express the True Self that you know is deep within but also successfully express it without, extending to all aspects of your life; in the darkness and in the light. Then again, maybe it is one’s true will to be dominant and oppressive? Who knows!? In the meantime, why not stop the bickering and stick to contributing to the community with constructive and mature exchanges and not dominating or distracting from the originally intended purpose for the website and message boards. It'll be good for your will, regardless.
Comments and criticism welcomed and encouraged.
Love Is The Law, Love Under Will.
@Jim Eshelman said
"There does come a point where (speaking symbolically) the two triangles, instead of naturally gravitating apart unless held together by concentration, switch to naturally falling into each other. A union is made that is permanent. But, that link being deep rather than superficial, it is in the individual's depths that it's experienced, and not necessarily in his or her surface or superficial aspects that it is always evident. In some ways one could say that, the fusion having been made, one is "visited" by it here and there with greater frequency. But at the same time, if it was authentically made, the link is continually present, even in the personality's worst moments."
I have to say reading this has swept away a great deal of confusion.
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Do What Thou Wilt Shall Be The Whole Of The Law.
My initial impression of the Heruraha site was that there was way too much testosterone for my liking. Most of what I read was a lot of “male dominant monkey mother f@#kers” (for lack of a better term) doing their best at some verbal jousting.
It got tiresome stepping back in time and wading through the halls of Anytown High School U.S.A. to gain some nugget of wisdom alluded to in the title of the post, three pages prior. So, I began analyzing the personalities of certain colorful enthusiastic posters to pass the time. Generally speaking, I found that it seems as if there are two prominent archetypes/personalities on this message board: [1] the “average” Thelemite (from which myriad sub-classifications can be made) and [2] the sadly misinformed, Pseudo-Pop Culture “Evil Satanist”; a lycanthropic wanna-be who still plots the revenge of some second grade slight which robbed him/her of his/her self-confidence.Since the latter types are stereotypically less physically developed (abnormalities being the unfortunate exception) they often turn inward, training and focusing on the brain; the result being the usual “pompous windbag” who attempts to impose his/her own will on others through verbal intimidation and intellectual dominance. You know the type: constantly vomiting out random bits of information as to appear worldly and knowledgeable. They usually exude the casual attitude that they’ve “got it all figured out” and an array of cleverly crafted come-backs are often at-the-ready. It seems like these nerds of newfound power have already forgotten what it is like to be ridiculed and bullied, themselves. The oppressed has become the oppressor. They have become the personification of the very thing through which they undoubtedly suffered.
Being a hard-headed, know-it-all, verbally abusive bully is not only ignorant but pointless for anything other than ego gratification. Confirmed graduation from this drowsy state should be a prerequisite for temple initiation. It’s one thing to have a strong opinion from which you will not allow yourself to be moved without a fight. However, when it crosses the line and degrades into blatant disrespect and flat out name-calling, haven’t you lost hold of the message of Thelema? Is not Love the Law? If you agree with the tenet that “Every man and every woman is a star” then shouldn't we all strive to acknowledge the God within each other; that Divine Spark that is the heart of life in every star? **“All words are sacred and all prophets true; save only that they understand a little.” ** Therefore shouldn't everyone’s word be, at least, respected? I do also recognize that Do What Thou Wilt is The Whole of The Law. So, if it IS anyone’s true will simply to be an A$$h@le, let no one say nay. I guess.
At the same time, I believe that there shouldn’t be any gold standard or one “approved” way to do or interpret things. I just don’t understand the relentless compulsion to force your opinion on others. That is the ultimate losing battle. Once this is truly understood, you can relax and liberate the energy you have invested in perpetuating that paradigm. You won’t feel the need to constantly overcompensate for your perceived short-comings through arrogant abusive verbiage while safe in the comfy confines of your computer chair. Beer-goggles’ pesky cousin Internet-balls is probably often the contributor to many a late night Heruraha retort. In which case, Thelema could definitely benefit from an increased female presence. As a female friend of mine put it, ‘There are just way too many guys who are getting laid way too little with way too much time on their hands and they’re all arguing on that site.’ (Paraphrased) “Nor let the fools mistake love; for there are love and love”.
I’m just saying, enough with the “No. You’re wrong because I know THIS…” never ending arguments. They are completely ego-driven and most often pointless in multiple contexts. One viewpoint is that true strength is rarely abusive or oppressive. As Rumi wrote, Why boast of your strength? The same wind that can topple a tree, Caresses the grass. Strength can be having the courage and confidence to entirely express the True Self that you know is deep within but also successfully express it without, extending to all aspects of your life; in the darkness and in the light. Then again, maybe it is one’s true will to be dominant and oppressive? Who knows!? In the meantime, why not stop the bickering and stick to contributing to the community with constructive and mature exchanges and not dominating or distracting from the originally intended purpose for the website and message boards. It'll be good for your will, regardless.
Comments and criticism welcomed and encouraged.
Love Is The Law, Love Under Will.
@Jim Eshelman said
"There does come a point where (speaking symbolically) the two triangles, instead of naturally gravitating apart unless held together by concentration, switch to naturally falling into each other. A union is made that is permanent. But, that link being deep rather than superficial, it is in the individual's depths that it's experienced, and not necessarily in his or her surface or superficial aspects that it is always evident. In some ways one could say that, the fusion having been made, one is "visited" by it here and there with greater frequency. But at the same time, if it was authentically made, the link is continually present, even in the personality's worst moments.
The personality isn't dispensed with, nor is it where the transformation essentially takes place. It does, however, undergo healing for years thereafter simply by its exposure to the deep union that never departs."
Jim, at what point on the path (in the context of the grade system of the A.A.) does this typically occur? I want to say that this happens at the 5=6 stage, but then the above description seems like it might fit with the integration stage that I would associate with 2=9 (I'm referring here to the integration of the elements under spirit).
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Do What Thou Wilt Shall Be The Whole Of The Law.
My initial impression of the Heruraha site was that there was way too much testosterone for my liking. Most of what I read was a lot of “male dominant monkey mother f@#kers” (for lack of a better term) doing their best at some verbal jousting.
It got tiresome stepping back in time and wading through the halls of Anytown High School U.S.A. to gain some nugget of wisdom alluded to in the title of the post, three pages prior. So, I began analyzing the personalities of certain colorful enthusiastic posters to pass the time. Generally speaking, I found that it seems as if there are two prominent archetypes/personalities on this message board: [1] the “average” Thelemite (from which myriad sub-classifications can be made) and [2] the sadly misinformed, Pseudo-Pop Culture “Evil Satanist”; a lycanthropic wanna-be who still plots the revenge of some second grade slight which robbed him/her of his/her self-confidence.Since the latter types are stereotypically less physically developed (abnormalities being the unfortunate exception) they often turn inward, training and focusing on the brain; the result being the usual “pompous windbag” who attempts to impose his/her own will on others through verbal intimidation and intellectual dominance. You know the type: constantly vomiting out random bits of information as to appear worldly and knowledgeable. They usually exude the casual attitude that they’ve “got it all figured out” and an array of cleverly crafted come-backs are often at-the-ready. It seems like these nerds of newfound power have already forgotten what it is like to be ridiculed and bullied, themselves. The oppressed has become the oppressor. They have become the personification of the very thing through which they undoubtedly suffered.
Being a hard-headed, know-it-all, verbally abusive bully is not only ignorant but pointless for anything other than ego gratification. Confirmed graduation from this drowsy state should be a prerequisite for temple initiation. It’s one thing to have a strong opinion from which you will not allow yourself to be moved without a fight. However, when it crosses the line and degrades into blatant disrespect and flat out name-calling, haven’t you lost hold of the message of Thelema? Is not Love the Law? If you agree with the tenet that “Every man and every woman is a star” then shouldn't we all strive to acknowledge the God within each other; that Divine Spark that is the heart of life in every star? **“All words are sacred and all prophets true; save only that they understand a little.” ** Therefore shouldn't everyone’s word be, at least, respected? I do also recognize that Do What Thou Wilt is The Whole of The Law. So, if it IS anyone’s true will simply to be an A$$h@le, let no one say nay. I guess.
At the same time, I believe that there shouldn’t be any gold standard or one “approved” way to do or interpret things. I just don’t understand the relentless compulsion to force your opinion on others. That is the ultimate losing battle. Once this is truly understood, you can relax and liberate the energy you have invested in perpetuating that paradigm. You won’t feel the need to constantly overcompensate for your perceived short-comings through arrogant abusive verbiage while safe in the comfy confines of your computer chair. Beer-goggles’ pesky cousin Internet-balls is probably often the contributor to many a late night Heruraha retort. In which case, Thelema could definitely benefit from an increased female presence. As a female friend of mine put it, ‘There are just way too many guys who are getting laid way too little with way too much time on their hands and they’re all arguing on that site.’ (Paraphrased) “Nor let the fools mistake love; for there are love and love”.
I’m just saying, enough with the “No. You’re wrong because I know THIS…” never ending arguments. They are completely ego-driven and most often pointless in multiple contexts. One viewpoint is that true strength is rarely abusive or oppressive. As Rumi wrote, Why boast of your strength? The same wind that can topple a tree, Caresses the grass. Strength can be having the courage and confidence to entirely express the True Self that you know is deep within but also successfully express it without, extending to all aspects of your life; in the darkness and in the light. Then again, maybe it is one’s true will to be dominant and oppressive? Who knows!? In the meantime, why not stop the bickering and stick to contributing to the community with constructive and mature exchanges and not dominating or distracting from the originally intended purpose for the website and message boards. It'll be good for your will, regardless.
Comments and criticism welcomed and encouraged.
Love Is The Law, Love Under Will.
@Herr Meow said
"Jim, at what point on the path (in the context of the grade system of the A.A.) does this typically occur? I want to say that this happens at the 5=6 stage, but then the above description seems like it might fit with the integration stage that I would associate with 2=9 (I'm referring here to the integration of the elements under spirit)."
In the sense I described: Adeptus Minor Within.
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Do What Thou Wilt Shall Be The Whole Of The Law.
My initial impression of the Heruraha site was that there was way too much testosterone for my liking. Most of what I read was a lot of “male dominant monkey mother f@#kers” (for lack of a better term) doing their best at some verbal jousting.
It got tiresome stepping back in time and wading through the halls of Anytown High School U.S.A. to gain some nugget of wisdom alluded to in the title of the post, three pages prior. So, I began analyzing the personalities of certain colorful enthusiastic posters to pass the time. Generally speaking, I found that it seems as if there are two prominent archetypes/personalities on this message board: [1] the “average” Thelemite (from which myriad sub-classifications can be made) and [2] the sadly misinformed, Pseudo-Pop Culture “Evil Satanist”; a lycanthropic wanna-be who still plots the revenge of some second grade slight which robbed him/her of his/her self-confidence.Since the latter types are stereotypically less physically developed (abnormalities being the unfortunate exception) they often turn inward, training and focusing on the brain; the result being the usual “pompous windbag” who attempts to impose his/her own will on others through verbal intimidation and intellectual dominance. You know the type: constantly vomiting out random bits of information as to appear worldly and knowledgeable. They usually exude the casual attitude that they’ve “got it all figured out” and an array of cleverly crafted come-backs are often at-the-ready. It seems like these nerds of newfound power have already forgotten what it is like to be ridiculed and bullied, themselves. The oppressed has become the oppressor. They have become the personification of the very thing through which they undoubtedly suffered.
Being a hard-headed, know-it-all, verbally abusive bully is not only ignorant but pointless for anything other than ego gratification. Confirmed graduation from this drowsy state should be a prerequisite for temple initiation. It’s one thing to have a strong opinion from which you will not allow yourself to be moved without a fight. However, when it crosses the line and degrades into blatant disrespect and flat out name-calling, haven’t you lost hold of the message of Thelema? Is not Love the Law? If you agree with the tenet that “Every man and every woman is a star” then shouldn't we all strive to acknowledge the God within each other; that Divine Spark that is the heart of life in every star? **“All words are sacred and all prophets true; save only that they understand a little.” ** Therefore shouldn't everyone’s word be, at least, respected? I do also recognize that Do What Thou Wilt is The Whole of The Law. So, if it IS anyone’s true will simply to be an A$$h@le, let no one say nay. I guess.
At the same time, I believe that there shouldn’t be any gold standard or one “approved” way to do or interpret things. I just don’t understand the relentless compulsion to force your opinion on others. That is the ultimate losing battle. Once this is truly understood, you can relax and liberate the energy you have invested in perpetuating that paradigm. You won’t feel the need to constantly overcompensate for your perceived short-comings through arrogant abusive verbiage while safe in the comfy confines of your computer chair. Beer-goggles’ pesky cousin Internet-balls is probably often the contributor to many a late night Heruraha retort. In which case, Thelema could definitely benefit from an increased female presence. As a female friend of mine put it, ‘There are just way too many guys who are getting laid way too little with way too much time on their hands and they’re all arguing on that site.’ (Paraphrased) “Nor let the fools mistake love; for there are love and love”.
I’m just saying, enough with the “No. You’re wrong because I know THIS…” never ending arguments. They are completely ego-driven and most often pointless in multiple contexts. One viewpoint is that true strength is rarely abusive or oppressive. As Rumi wrote, Why boast of your strength? The same wind that can topple a tree, Caresses the grass. Strength can be having the courage and confidence to entirely express the True Self that you know is deep within but also successfully express it without, extending to all aspects of your life; in the darkness and in the light. Then again, maybe it is one’s true will to be dominant and oppressive? Who knows!? In the meantime, why not stop the bickering and stick to contributing to the community with constructive and mature exchanges and not dominating or distracting from the originally intended purpose for the website and message boards. It'll be good for your will, regardless.
Comments and criticism welcomed and encouraged.
Love Is The Law, Love Under Will.