Age Of Aquarius???

Jim Eshelman

"I see no reason to link the Aeon of Horus to the Age of Aquarius, if only because previous aons have not been of the same length."

Agreed!

"Contra Crowley, I believe the Aeon of Osiris began with the Reformation, when Mother Church (be it the Church of Rome or the Patrician Imperial cult that preceded it - both headed by the Pontifex Maximus) was replaced by individual seeking for truth."

I place it long before... because I equate it functionally with the establishment of the Ruach (ego-consciousness, etc.) as the "lead" part of the human psyche. Its roots, therefore, would reach many millennia BCE but, in any case, would have been well-founded by 5th C. BCE during the high point of Greek culture. Osirian and Christian religions came to flourish during that time, and the Arthurian legend (late 1st C. CE) is the archetypal tale of the still-young emerging Ruach (the "ever boy" Solar King etc.). By the Reformation it was entering its very late stages, its fulfillment already laying the grouynd work for its expiration.

"I don't see the Aeon of Horus lasting more than a couple of decades, when the Aeon of Hrumachis will arrive. This is more to do with how science and technology are advancing than any "spiritual" understanding."

I think evolution - if it were to continue to go unimpeded - is moving at a much faster pace than in the past. But the core essence of the Aeon of Horus developmentally is the awakening of superconscioiusness as the new baseline of the routine, mature adult psyche. We're clearly only at the dawn of this. I don't see this coming fully awake for centuries, especially at a stable level, and wouldn't be surprised if it still took a millennium or more... but its roots will be recognizable by history as having dug into the soild of the 20th Century. 'Hrumachis' is a general symbol of the new dawn of a next aeon, not the distinctive deity of it, which we know will be Maat. I think her time is still very far away.

Steven Cranmer

@Jim Eshelman said

"Osirian and Christian religions came to flourish during that time, and the Arthurian legend (late 1st C. CE) is the archetypal tale of the still-young emerging Ruach (the "ever boy" Solar King etc.)."

1st century? The furthest back I've seen for historical roots of Arthur is something like 5th or 6th century. I'd be curious to know more about earlier antecedents.

"By the Reformation it was entering its very late stages, its fulfillment already laying the grouynd work for its expiration."

Definitely. I view the Italian Renaissance (Pico, da Vinci, etc) as the first rumblings of the Aeon of Horus, too...

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"I don't see the Aeon of Horus lasting more than a couple of decades, when the Aeon of Hrumachis will arrive."

'Hrumachis' is a general symbol of the new dawn of a next aeon, not the distinctive deity of it, which we know will be Maat. I think her time is still very far away."

Horus is Hrumachis. I've probably posited this before in another thread, but isn't the most obvious interpretation of "Hrumachis shall arise" something along the lines of: Horus gets up off the Throne in the East, in order to allow Maat to sit down and occupy the Throne for the next Aeon? There are intimations of the ritual motions of officers in the GD's Equinox Ritual in AL III:34, I think.

Steve

Jim Eshelman

@Steven Cranmer said

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@Jim Eshelman said
"Osirian and Christian religions came to flourish during that time, and the Arthurian legend (late 1st C. CE) is the archetypal tale of the still-young emerging Ruach (the "ever boy" Solar King etc.)."

1st century? The furthest back I've seen for historical roots of Arthur is something like 5th or 6th century. I'd be curious to know more about earlier antecedents."

Typo. Thanks for catching. I meant late 1st Millennium.

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"By the Reformation it was entering its very late stages, its fulfillment already laying the grouynd work for its expiration."

Definitely. I view the Italian Renaissance (Pico, da Vinci, etc) as the first rumblings of the Aeon of Horus, too..."

Maybe... though I find that mostly to be a fine flourishing of Osiris at its best. DaVinci and some others clearly appear to have attained superconscious / cosmic conscious states as individuals but, then, so did Gautama and Lao Tse and others.

I think the earliest clear sign is the Magna Carta, which is the particular big step that started displacing the heliocentric theory of society.

Nudoro

Would that be an example of a "prologue of the unborn" if you will, where characteristics of the age to come begin to manifest themselves (slowly over time) in the previous age to assist in its annihilation? Or another way, will we begin to see slow hints of movement towards Maat as the New Aeon advances?

Jim Eshelman

There are always those who are way ahead of the baseline of humanity.

Jim Eshelman

@Iugum said

"Do you think that Nema is one of those people? "

I have no clear opinion about her. I seriously doubt it, but actually have no clear opinion about her.

Mephisto

@Steven Cranmer said

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@gmugmble said
"Maybe. Mathers' system defined the star Regulus as 0 degrees Leo. That creates a sidereal zodiac that is offset from the "Aldebaran = 15 degrees Taurus" zodiac by about 4.9 degrees. Offhand, I don't recall how different the latter is from the Fagan-Bradley zodiac, but I think it's close. If I did my back-of-the-envelope number crunching correctly, I think that means that we will be entering Aquarius (under Mathers' system) in just about 20 years (in approximately 2029). Any sidereal gurus care to verify?

Steve"
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Crowley himself was unaware of the Sidereal Zodiac, or at least failed to utilize it. His book on Astrology illustrates this fact somewhat painfully. Thus, his Astrological conception of time was on par with Mathers': flawed.

As far Sidereal Astrology is concerned, the Age of Pisces is nearing its completion.

Jim Eshelman

@JPF said

"As far Sidereal Astrology is concerned, the Age of Pisces is nearing its completion."

As of today, 83% done.

But it's not "as far as Sidereal astrology is concerned." The thing that keeps getting missed is that outside of Sidereal astrology there is no basis for the ages. They are defined by the passage of the northern hemisphere vernal equinoctial point through an Aquarius (or other sign) that, by definition, can't be constrained to that same equinoctial point.

Mephisto

@Jim Eshelman said

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@JPF said
"As far Sidereal Astrology is concerned, the Age of Pisces is nearing its completion."

But it's not "as far as Sidereal astrology is concerned." "

Good point. I myself tire of making the distinction. After all, how many times can one explain to the layman that his sun sign is Aries, and not Taurus, and that there is in fact no basis for the "Intellectual Zodiac" as opposed the true and actual position of the heavenly spheres? It is true, though, that many seem unwilling to accept the idea that the Sunday newspaper gives them the wrong horoscope.

Middleman

I stumbled upon Sidereal a few years ago and it was a revelation, it describes my friends and myself much better than Tropical. It's reassuring to see others here using it.

Jim Eshelman

@JPF said

"Good point. I myself tire of making the distinction. After all, how many times can one explain to the layman that his sun sign is Aries, and not Taurus, and that there is in fact no basis for the "Intellectual Zodiac" as opposed the true and actual position of the heavenly spheres?"

How many? I've lost track. But it's been basic to the last 37 years of my life.

If they have an actual interest, you can hold their attention a little longer. If not, it's not worth it anyway.

Middleman

"Crowley himself was unaware of the Sidereal Zodiac, or at least failed to utilize it. His book on Astrology illustrates this fact somewhat painfully. Thus, his Astrological conception of time was on par with Mathers': flawed.
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In the GPofA Crowley says Sidereal is macrocosmic and Tropical is microcosmic, I'm not sure what that means, just thought I'd point it out.

Jim Eshelman

GPofA?

Ever Onward

General Principles of Astrology

Jim Eshelman

Since all of the material collated into that book was written decades before Sidereal astrology existed (1944 onward), there is no reason to assume that Crowley was using the term in the same fashion.

gmugmble

Dion Fortune's Cosmic Doctrine (1923 - 4) also uses the term "Sidereal astrology", contrasting it with "Zodiacal astrology", so it must have meant something in the Golden Dawn tradition before modern sidereal astrology came along in 1944. The prose of CD is, shall we say, difficult to penetrate, but what it seems to me to be saying is that the constellations determine the Ages (Age of Pisces, Age of Aquarius, etc.) which pertain to the evolution of humanity as a whole, while the tropical zodiac should be used in the ordinary way in natal astrology.

Middleman

Oh that makes sense. Is it possible that Sidereal has always been used by a secret elite and the Zodiac was fixed to dis-empower the masses?

Jim Eshelman

@Middleman said

"Oh that makes sense. Is it possible that Sidereal has always been used by a secret elite and the Zodiac was fixed to dis-empower the masses?"

No. That would be sweet to learn, but it's just not the case. Crowley likely had no functional knowledge of it at all.

Escarabajo

I was flipping through a new book by Pat Zalewski on the GD Inner order documents and he states that around 1910 the remnant GD orders (or one of them in particular, can't recall) started using sidereal astrology.

I'm curious if that is true and how that version of "sidereal" compares to the modern day one.

Jim Eshelman

I suspect he meant that they were using the "Regulus = 0° Leo" zodiac that Mathers theorized. It was about 5° off.