Unexpected LBRP results ...
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Apophis,
I can relate to your reluctance to see a therapist; as I have avoided one all my life. I can say that I've done incredibly well for myself, considering what I've been through.
At the same time, one big aspect of magick is about opening up lines of communication with your subconscious. If your internal communication is not so good, and you've used repression as a daily staple (I know I have!), then the result can include anxiety, depression, and explosive emotion simmering under the surface, waiting for an outlet.
And, at least for me, that dynamic seems to be amplified when I try to access the astral plane. Which really drove home the point that magick was not going to heal me - that I had to begin to heal myself, in order to practice magick seriously.
So, I personally caved at my resistance to therapy recently, and have been looking for a good one for a few weeks. Take your time, do some research, decide what you want to accomplish.
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therapy may be good for some, but me na, cant afford it anyways nor do i want to go through government funding.
i took a little personality disorder test online(most likely innacurate) but it said i had "shcizotypal" low form of schizophrenia, like social isolation, i might idk some points were right on, and i am a full blown aquarius(feb 4th, right in the middle) as my zodiac sign we describe social isolation as "cool and detached" or "eccentric" lol.
but ive been analyzing myself since i was 13 so ran across most possibilities and narrowed it down to "i just dont let things happen, i put up a resistence" combine with my class as a warrior/counselor with a subconsious shield i have since birth, all i need to do is find out the root of "why" fix it and go with it.as for a psychiatrist, ide probly turn the table and analyze him lol!!!, but as long as i stay stubborn and persistent i think ile be ok and probly dont need one.
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I am definitely recommending CBT over other forms of therapy (see the book recommedation I made earlier). There are several reasons I recommend it:
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a proven track record of published, measurable results using various tests such as the Burns Depression Checklist and others.
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the "patient" has the responsibility, and there is much "bibliotherepy", meaning the work is on you not on someone else, which means you take new skills with you for the rest of your life.
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It is a relatively short-term based therapy model which actually seems to work very well compared to psycho-analysis which can takes years of very expensive treatment.
Obviously avoid someone who's only treatment is medication. There is a huge business for this and often times the talk-therapy is minimised. The best long-term results will be gained from talk-therapy, although I think medications are good for certain things, just not exclusive of talk-therapy, as I said.
Lastly, Apophis, as someone who has experienced and come through some difficulties, like many others, there is a reason for everything. It is a fundamental magickal theory that there is a cause for every effect (in the manifested universe). Therefor, I believe there is a reason for our difficulties and great things in the experience of and understanding to be gained by going through these kinds of difficulties. Many mystics have catalogued their difficulties, such as St. John of the Cross' "Dark Night of the Soul" among others.
In any case, from a magickal perspective or not, many people have gone through difficult emotional times and come through it happy and so can you and anyone else who makes up their mind to.
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@Alias55A said
" i am a full blown aquarius(feb 4th, right in the middle) as my zodiac sign we describe social isolation as "cool and detached" or "eccentric" lol."
I am also an aquarius born on feb 4th.
@Jim Eshelman said
"How is the LBRP "more Osiris"? (I can't remember any Osiris elements in it.) "
No, it isn't really Osiris, but it does have an old Aeon feel to it. Old Aeon religion does not feel right to me.
The lesser hexagram is very Osiris though, with the whole Osiris slain and risen thing. The hexagram felt strange because it seemed that the currents were doing opposite things. I've heard someone remark that maybe it is only good for group rituals.
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@Jastiv said
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@Jim Eshelman said
"How is the LBRP "more Osiris"? (I can't remember any Osiris elements in it.) "No, it isn't really Osiris, but it does have an old Aeon feel to it. Old Aeon religion does not feel right to me. "
I'm wondering if yo uare put off by the Hebrew. A lot of people confuse Hebrew with Judeo-Christian religion. If that's the case, you need to get past it: The Hebrew alphabet abnd its formulations are the most important and effective tools we have in magick and the transformation of consciousness.
"The lesser hexagram is very Osiris though, with the whole Osiris slain and risen thing."
Absolutely. Temple of Thelema doesn't use that form. (Ours is hotter and sexier <vbg>.)
I'll be publishing that form in a book nearly finished, because the form we use is confidential; but, at least I'll mention all of this. BTW, the Hexagram Ritual can be done with the Qabalistic Cross instead of the Analysis of the Key-Word (and, in fact, that would be the recommended way if a First Order member had a need to use it, or if a Second Order member used it in a First Order setting).
"The hexagram felt strange because it seemed that the currents were doing opposite things. I've heard someone remark that maybe it is only good for group rituals."
No, also for individual work. But I don't think an accurate form has ever been published. One part of this I can tell you (the most important part): The Macrocosmic arrangement of the elements (Fire in the East, etc.) is not the standard form of this ritual. Even in the GD, it was only to be used within the Vault of the Adepts. Under most circumstances, you should do the Hexagram Ritual with the Air hexagram in the East, Fire in the South, etc. - the same Microcosmic attributions as the Pentagram Ritual. - Several other things, mostly small of no great importance, are also wrong in the published versions, but this should disentangle the screwed up currents feel.
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@Jim Eshelman said
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"The lesser hexagram is very Osiris though, with the whole Osiris slain and risen thing."Absolutely. Temple of Thelema doesn't use that form. (Ours is hotter and sexier <vbg>.)
I'll be publishing that form in a book nearly finished, because the form we use is confidential; but, at least I'll mention all of this. BTW, the Hexagram Ritual can be done with the Qabalistic Cross instead of the Analysis of the Key-Word (and, in fact, that would be the recommended way if a First Order member had a need to use it, or if a Second Order member used it in a First Order setting)."
Are these forms of the rituals particular to the Temple of Thelema, or are they taught throughout the Soror Estai lineage?
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@PatchworkSerpen said
"Are these forms of the rituals particular to the Temple of Thelema, or are they taught throughout the Soror Estai lineage?"
They are distinctive to the Second Order of Temple of Thelema.
If they were generalized throughout an A.'.A.'. lineage, that would constitute altering the system. We are strictly attentive to not altering the system from what we have received from its founders.
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@Jim Eshelman said
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@PatchworkSerpen said
"Are these forms of the rituals particular to the Temple of Thelema, or are they taught throughout the Soror Estai lineage?"They are distinctive to the Second Order of Temple of Thelema.
If they were generalized throughout an A.'.A.'. lineage, that would constitute altering the system. We are strictly attentive to not altering the system from what we have received from its founders."
Is this for historical or functional reasons? Many a time you have said that the A.'.A.'. is a 'specific system to deliver a specific set of results'. But if the LBRP is so 'Osirian', how is it the most effective technique to use in such a system?
Perhaps a better way to phrase this question would be: why did Crowley, after being told to 'abrogate all rituals' and begin on a clean slate, keep the INRI/IAO formula in the LBRP?
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@PatchworkSerpen said
"Is this for historical or functional reasons?"
Functional. We have a system that works. Walk in the front door, follow the steps exactly, and walk out the back with the desired result. Therefore, to screw with it at all would be immoral.
"Many a time you have said that the A.'.A.'. is a 'specific system to deliver a specific set of results'. But if the LBRP is so 'Osirian', how is it the most effective technique to use in such a system?"
You do a certain thing, it produces a particular result. That's the main consideration. - (But you're right, it's not the only consideration.)
"Perhaps a better way to phrase this question would be: why did Crowley, after being told to 'abrogate all rituals' and begin on a clean slate, keep the INRI/IAO formula in the LBRP?"
He didn't keep them in the LBRP. (You made that mistake again.) They are only in the Hexagram ritual, not the Pentagram.
But, in any case: Crowley didn't accept Liber Legis in any sense until after Liber E and Liber O were written.
BTW, I do think the INRI/IAO formula remains valid and of enormous importance - but not that INRI/IAO formula. (There are deeper and truer ones.) - Additionally, to most people in the world today, the Osirian formula remains valid. Until they've outgrown their own personal Osirian stage, it's six of one and half a dozen of the other.
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@Jim Eshelman said
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"Perhaps a better way to phrase this question would be: why did Crowley, after being told to 'abrogate all rituals' and begin on a clean slate, keep the INRI/IAO formula in the LBRP?"He didn't keep them in the LBRP. (You made that mistake again.) They are only in the Hexagram ritual, not the Pentagram."
That'll teach me to pay attention!
Then what of the Hexagram ritual?"BTW, I do think the INRI/IAO formula remains valid and of enormous importance - but not that INRI/IAO formula. (There are deeper and truer ones.) - Additionally, to most people in the world today, the Osirian formula remains valid. Until they've outgrown their own personal Osirian stage, it's six of one and half a dozen of the other."
Kind of like a bridge between the old and new formulas of initiation- is this 'stepping into the New Aeon' one of the natural effects of working the system, or is it karma that must be worked out over many lifetimes?
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It has been six years since this thread was started. Must say that it has been quite a ride since then. My life had slowly started to collapse in on itself a few years earlier but right around the time of this post it definitely hit rock bottom. If I had only known what was to unfold. But doing the work, being consistent and not lusting for results brought me back.
I appreciate your advice, it inspired me to find my own path through the desert.
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Also, the keywords can be interpreted and can be analyzed as "Yod, Aleph, Ayin". This has some pretty deep roots that can be qabalistically traced to a plethora of useful and powerful stuff.
And as Jim said, one can use the qabbalistic cross instead.
Though Osiris Risen is still acceptable nowadays for the pentagram, and can be interpreted as Ayin, or Pan, as the inverted pentagram for the New Aeon. (Seeing as how Osiris is under the Earth growing horns 'n all.)
