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Crowley's attainment on TOL

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    the atlas itch
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    According to Crowley’s own account he attained to 10=0. It’s confusing to obtain a sense what this grade means given the fact he depicts one Tree as follows:

    Malkuth = Assiah
    Yesod, Hod, Netzach = Yetzirah
    Tiphareth, Geburah, Chesed = Briah
    Binah, Chokmah, Kether = Aztiluth

    Whereas traditional Kabbalah depicts four Trees stacked on top of each other for the four worlds. To add to my confusion, Jim mentioned each sephiroth contains a Tree in itself.

    So my question is, given what we know about Crowley and his life, what does his grade of 10=0 really mean? Did he attain to all four worlds or first world of Assiah or...?

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      According to Crowley’s own account he attained to 10=0. It’s confusing to obtain a sense what this grade means given the fact he depicts one Tree as follows:

      Malkuth = Assiah
      Yesod, Hod, Netzach = Yetzirah
      Tiphareth, Geburah, Chesed = Briah
      Binah, Chokmah, Kether = Aztiluth

      Whereas traditional Kabbalah depicts four Trees stacked on top of each other for the four worlds. To add to my confusion, Jim mentioned each sephiroth contains a Tree in itself.

      So my question is, given what we know about Crowley and his life, what does his grade of 10=0 really mean? Did he attain to all four worlds or first world of Assiah or...?

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      Jim Eshelman
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      His 10=1 attainment would have meant Kether in Atziluth.

      In various systems of initiation, progress on the Tree (or its equivalent) parallels progress through the worlds. When he was admitted to 5=6 in the R.R. et A.C. of the G.D., this was Tiphereth in Yetzirah; but, years, later, when he attained 5=6 in the A.'.A.'. sense, that paralelled his stable awakening to Briah. (This is why it seemed, at the time, to be an 8=3... in the old G.D., that World opening would have occurred at 8=3.)

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        According to Crowley’s own account he attained to 10=0. It’s confusing to obtain a sense what this grade means given the fact he depicts one Tree as follows:

        Malkuth = Assiah
        Yesod, Hod, Netzach = Yetzirah
        Tiphareth, Geburah, Chesed = Briah
        Binah, Chokmah, Kether = Aztiluth

        Whereas traditional Kabbalah depicts four Trees stacked on top of each other for the four worlds. To add to my confusion, Jim mentioned each sephiroth contains a Tree in itself.

        So my question is, given what we know about Crowley and his life, what does his grade of 10=0 really mean? Did he attain to all four worlds or first world of Assiah or...?

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        Edward Mason
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        JAE, 93,

        "years, later, when he attained 5=6 in the A.'.A.'. sense, that paralelled his stable awakening to Briah. (This is why it seemed, at the time, to be an 8=3... in the old G.D., that World opening would have occurred at 8=3.)"

        A while back, you referred in a post to (I think) 'Briah of Yetzirah.' That is, you implied or stated that within the four Worlds, we could still discern sub-worlds or levels.

        What I'm thinking here is that someone working, let's say, the Yetziratic realm might find themselves at a deeper level - the Briah, or even Atziluth, of Yetzirah. This seems particularly relevant in relation to recent threads about people who believe they're Abyss-crossers when they aren't: you mentioned the wild week you had finishing up 1=10 A.A., which is a system wherein Malkuth would be experienced primarily as Assiah, or Assiah-verging-on-Yetzirah. And somebody working a ToL system from *primarily * within Yetzirah would still have brief openings beyond that World.

        Now, is this notion getting too hair-splitting, leading to excessively intricate sub-classifications of sub-classifications? Or does it explain some of the inner openings and closings we get that don't conform to a strict interpretation of experiences based on just the sephiroth?

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          According to Crowley’s own account he attained to 10=0. It’s confusing to obtain a sense what this grade means given the fact he depicts one Tree as follows:

          Malkuth = Assiah
          Yesod, Hod, Netzach = Yetzirah
          Tiphareth, Geburah, Chesed = Briah
          Binah, Chokmah, Kether = Aztiluth

          Whereas traditional Kabbalah depicts four Trees stacked on top of each other for the four worlds. To add to my confusion, Jim mentioned each sephiroth contains a Tree in itself.

          So my question is, given what we know about Crowley and his life, what does his grade of 10=0 really mean? Did he attain to all four worlds or first world of Assiah or...?

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          Jim Eshelman
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          I think it's too hair-splitting. (You asked an opinion question 🆒 ) I don't remember that post BTW, but wouldn't put it past me <g>. I suspect, though, that I said Binah within Yetzirah.

          I think the breakdown is usually sufficient to understand that there is a whole Tree within each Sephirah. (The 10 Sephiroth within each of the 10 Sephiroth, within the 4 worlds, is 10 x 10 x 4 = 400 = Tav, "The Universe.") These "Tree within a given grade" can be seen pretty easily as one moves through.

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            According to Crowley’s own account he attained to 10=0. It’s confusing to obtain a sense what this grade means given the fact he depicts one Tree as follows:

            Malkuth = Assiah
            Yesod, Hod, Netzach = Yetzirah
            Tiphareth, Geburah, Chesed = Briah
            Binah, Chokmah, Kether = Aztiluth

            Whereas traditional Kabbalah depicts four Trees stacked on top of each other for the four worlds. To add to my confusion, Jim mentioned each sephiroth contains a Tree in itself.

            So my question is, given what we know about Crowley and his life, what does his grade of 10=0 really mean? Did he attain to all four worlds or first world of Assiah or...?

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            Edward Mason
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            "I suspect, though, that I said Binah within Yetzirah."

            I can't locate the post, but the wording I quoted above stuck in my mind because you were contradicting something I'd posted earlier. But I agree, it sounds like a split-split hair.

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