Blinds in Crowley's Rituals
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the other thing i read from this same person was that besides the direction being wrong in lbrp, supposedly
'three of the four godnames are clearly asociated with the element in the opposite quarter in which they are vibrated. this confusion of godnames is the fourth blind of the lbrp'
is this true?
names being ADNI, AHIH and AGLA
he says they should be north east and south respectively instead of the other way around.
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For clarity: These are not "Crowley's rituals." They are traditional rituals that he reproduced.
@christibrany said
"the other thing i read from this same person was that besides the direction being wrong in lbrp, supposedly 'three of the four godnames are clearly asociated with the element in the opposite quarter in which they are vibrated."
That's not really true. The important thing to get is that the Divine Names in the LRP are not placed in relation to the Elements at all. That's not why they're there. The Names originate from a totally different pattern. It is the sequence of those four Names that matters, not their location. In this sense, they are correct: the intended sequence is Y.H.V.H., ADNI, AHIH, A.G.L.A.
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Regarding the LBRP. The correct way to perform this ritual is essentially as written. Attah is NOT a blind, nor is Amen.
It is true that AGLA is to be pronounced in full, as you have written. The direction is clockwise, as written.Yes, it's true that in the Star Ruby the movement is counter clockwise, but this is entirely a different ritual.
These forum postings sound like the worst sort of misguided nonsense. Steer clear of information telling you that Crowley is wrong, and someone else has the REAL stuff, if you indeed want to work the system as was given.
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thanks everyone for the clarification.
so jim you dont change ateh to eheieh? (ahih)
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@christibrany said
"thanks everyone for the clarification.
so jim you dont change ateh to eheieh? (ahih)"No. Different meaning. Different gematria. Different emotional impact. Different symbolism.
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thanks to everyone who posted especially jim for clarifying those pts. so i guess i only need to worry about the 2 blinds we already mentioned, the agla in lbrp and ararita lrh. thanks again
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@Jim Eshelman said
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That's not really true. The important thing to get is that the Divine Names in the LRP are not placed in relation to the Elements at all. That's not why they're there. The Names originate from a totally different pattern. It is the sequence of those four Names that matters, not their location. In this sense, they are correct: the intended sequence is Y.H.V.H., ADNI, AHIH, A.G.L.A."I know this is a little old now but I liked perusing through old stuff and this jumped put at me. What is the basis behind that particular order of god names? Is there further reading that you could recommend?
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@kuniggety said
"I know this is a little old now but I liked perusing through old stuff and this jumped put at me. What is the basis behind that particular order of god names? Is there further reading that you could recommend?"
There are other threads where this has come up. The bottom line is that I'm not at liberty to give the basis. It was received in exchange for a commitment that it wouldn't be disclosed other than to initiates of a specific level. But I do leverage every bit of what I am at liberty to say, which is basically that they are not elemental in origin, and that the basis is the sequence of names.
(Those who are extremely familiar with the very earliest Kabbalistic works - not counting Sepher Yetzirah - might come across this if they're paying attention or, in any case, be able to figure it out for themselves.)
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Roger, thanks Jim...you at least provided me some direction of where to look.
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...a Song. For the sabbath day.
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