"A Thelemic Utopia"
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@Frater LA said
"I call you before your stars to describe to me the heart of yours. If you can, you will give me something new to meditate upon. If you cannot, then silence yourself, and never speak of True Initiates or astrology again.
"Wow. Tyranny seems to come natural to you. Who are you to tell me to never speak of anything again!? Seriously... by what authority would you even presume to have such power over me?
Besides... I mentioned neither astrology nor initiates in that post... what the frick are you talking about?
edit; And as far as corporations go, as I already said here, I think they need to have a 'death' clause similar to that of humans. They need to be liquidated after about 100 years. If they are to be afforded the right of individuals they need to be held to limitations natural to most individuals. Otherwise they can continue indefinitely and thus acquire and wield unnatural power.
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Sir, you cannot roller skate with buffalos, but you can be happy if you've a mind to.
Good day.
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@Labyrinthus said
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To me, considering the collective as being worthy of liberty is an abomination. How so many folks can value the collective but vilify the corporation is beyond me.
"A corporation is considered to be an entity individual and distinct from the collective that comprises its membership.
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Neighbor, can you help me understand?
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I dont like to butt into conversations.....
BUT...
just so you may possibly get some clarifacation
this issue of corporation, is what I had been asking about in my thread on the use of All Capitals in writing.
There is a very good legal reason why corporations and entities use Caps. I dont really want to stir the cauldron up but Brothers I do believe with every inch of my being that the ecomonic situation all over the world is a big game, and just like in the game monopoly we must pick a piece to represent us on the playing field. BUT that piece is not you, you are not a shoe, or a car, or even your name.
If I told you all that I wrote to Discover Bank 3 letters, and that they had to my account paid in full and closed....just because of those letters would you read a book?
They said I owed them 6 grand! and now I dont.Black's Law book ( a dictionary) is the book that rules this planet right now, and Uniform Commercial Code.
I implore you, and if I could in person kneel before you and give you the book by my friend Mary: Croft I would.
How I clobbered every cash confiscating agency known to man is availible on pdf all over the web, but her site spiritual economics now is a good place to start.
iritualeconomicsnow.neThere is a game being played, and you are probably playing it with out knowing it, and YOUR NAME is your playing piece. If you dont want to play with banksters then you have to take back your name.
I have been spending some time working on issues regarding fear, and the root chakra, issues of survival. I have just finished reading some remarkable working studying canibals, and cats. One tribe of canibals would have thier prey in captitivity, and then the prey had an "opportunity" to escape. (this was a contrived opportunitiy, planned by the tribe) the prey would then be hunted and stalked, basically scarred to the brink of unconsciousness. Then they would be caught, killed and eaten ASAP. The reason was, so the tribe stated was becuase FEAR makes them taste better.
Cat and mouse, same thing. the cat toys with the mouse for a period of time and them kills and eats it.
I recall in my holistic studies the articles I found by opponents to slaughter houses and factory farming, the animals killed in these practices are biologically, chemically diferent from animals kept and killed in tradtional farms.
I no longer interact daily with hundrends of people. But for most of my career in the public library and private colleges I did work with hundreds of people a day. I can tell you 9 times out of 10 when a person is living in survival mode (as I am sure many of you here can as well).
As Mr. Eshelman first stated "poverty is a state of consciousness" and I say that this state of consciousness is being purposly maintained to keep the mass population in a state of fear. I am not saying that we are going to be physically eaten, but possibly and I am not getting feedback on this....but possibly psychically some "people" "entities" "brotherhoods" what have you, are using this state of fear. I know it is a huge accusation, and I am always looking for evidence that I am wrong. I want more then anything to be wrong about this.
My Beloved AC taught me Love is the Law. I heard those words when I was in constant fear, when I though at any moment my life could be blinked out. Reading the Law helped move me out of this survival mode and allowed me to grow up, and out, and change and become and all that happy good stuff. I want my Brothers and Sisters to be lifted out of this fear. So I put myself out there, and I share what I have and I have helped many, but there are many many more who I cant help.
I dont like being in fear, I dont like thinking that I dont have enough money to buy organic food, or to upgrade my vehicle, or pay my morgage, or enroll my kids in swim class. To me that is such utter BS, for I know that there is no good reason hard working people should go with out basic needs being met.
4 years ago I thought that I was going to have to earn some money to support myself and my kids. I knew that I would not be able to reinstate my civil service status so I looked for options. Always being a health conscious person, and seeing how the "alternative" medicine feild was booming I enrolled to become a Board Certified Holistic Healthcare Practioner.
After 2 years of study I was ready for my testing, but was given one last book to read. I had just finsihed typing up my thesis, and found on my harddrive a pdf that I had down loaded 4 years before (from a site that was teaching Ishmael by Daniel Quinn). It was Mary: Crofts book. I read it and thought WTF this is serious stuff, but what am I supposed to do now. I then started reading my last book before certifaction. That book was called
_ Legal Guidlines for Unlicensed Practioners_.
It taught the same message that Mary did.
I have absolutely no desire to become board certified, or licensed I will give of myself and my understandings freely. I was then given a book about the Club of Rome, and a few other books that were not in my normal range of reading, but were gifted for unknow reasons in syncronistic situations.I know that I go on and on, and write to much. But this is coming from my heart to yours. I know that you all are beyond intelligent, caring and powerful people. This forum appears to have minds that are looking and are questioning, and minds that are awake.
I suppose I shall recieve a tounge lashing for my outragous accusations, but before you do, read Mary's book. I am in the process of having 30,000 debt to Chase noted paid in full because of her book. I will not be in fear of loosing my home, or my children. I do not want to play this game any more. I am taking my toys and going home so to speak.
I have much better things to with my time and energy then to have one iota of fear. I do not believe that falsly putting people in a state of fear is the most effective way to bring about change. IMO that assumes that they are not cabable of the truth, and that is a judgement and I dont like being judgemental.
I think that this world was one of the most beautiful emmanations, I think that the fear mongers, the banksters, the forces who control the energy flow (money is energy) are in trouble.
You can go ahead and whip me with a wet noodle now....
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@Uni_Verse said
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@Labyrinthus said
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To me, considering the collective as being worthy of liberty is an abomination. How so many folks can value the collective but vilify the corporation is beyond me.
"A corporation is considered to be an entity individual and distinct from the collective that comprises its membership."
Right. That is what I was talking about. Why? Why view the corp as distinct from the 'collective'? Because it is voluntary therefore it doesn't count?
Does the 'collective' only qualify as a collective when participation is mandatory?... "resistance is futile"?
My comment was in reply to another comment that referred to the "liberty" of a collective;
"...you must decide whether you more value the liberty of the individual or the liberty of the collective - and you must convince everyone else of your decided proportions of individual versus collective liberty."This is really scary. Of course the individual right supersedes that of the collective! I would have thought my original reply would be self explanatory. I'll explain further in this way;
The individual that enjoys Liberty may choose to sacrifice for the collective or he may not. Only in a warped and dark society is the sacrifice made mandatory. When good works are forced and coerced by civil laws the Good Karma that the Individual might earn is nullified. In coercive societies Spiritual Growth is impeded in a huge way. When tyrants force others to do "good" the expected benefits of the act are not accrued but reversed. That is a big part of why communism fails.
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@Veronica said
"As Mr. Eshelman first stated "poverty is a state of consciousness" and I say that this state of consciousness is being purposly maintained to keep the mass population in a state of fear."
Are you saying that consciousness is able to be 'maintained' by others?... that It can be controlled by external, worldly forces? Ohhh...that is one of the most hopeless and depressing ideas I've heard in a long time. (I also don't think it is true).
I think external conditions for the masses reflect the internal state of consciousness of the individuals that comprise that mass. "People get the government they deserve" sort of thing.
Consciousness can not be controlled or manipulated by outside forces. Outside forces and conditions reflect the inner state of consciousness. As above so below.
A Utopian society can not be imposed from outside machinations. A modern Utopia will naturally manifest when the consciousness of those individuals comprising that society rises to that level. When a sufficient percentage of the Souls in a community do the almost unimaginably difficult Work of raising their own state of Consciousness the spontaneous manifestations in the external reality will reflect that state.
Want, deprivation and especially things like Fear of those conditions are a state of consciousness.
I gave the example before of the Lotto winners. Those in a poverty state of consciousness and on the brink of bankruptcy can not be saved by a sudden external imposition of a million dollars in their bank account. Within a few years they are right back on the edge of bankruptcy again.
There are certain physical laws that will not change much with expansion of consciousness... Spring, Summer, Fall, Winter, objects appearing to fall at the rate of 32 ft/sec squared, etc.
Beyond a certain point Souls grow out of their Planet Earth clothes just stop coming back to this Testing Ground. -
Lab asked...
"Are you saying that consciousness is able to be 'maintained' by others?... that It can be controlled by external, worldly forces? Ohhh...that is one of the most hopeless and depressing ideas I've heard in a long time. (I also don't think it is true).""Consciousness is a symptom of disease. All that moves well moves without will. All skillfulness, all strain, all intention is contrary to ease." The Book of Lies, Ch. 32
I just read an AbFAb article about how scientists now are pretty sure that most at least of our DNA originates from Virus's. That they were infected and embedded in our ancestors sperm and egg cells.
discovermagazine.com/2010/apr/20-things-you-didn.t-know-about-viruses/?searchterm=viruse
Maintaining a disease, in an individual or a group is not very hard at all.
I used to think it was depressing too, but I know find it fascinating and the possiblities very exciting......but apparently I have some disease....so my thinking may not be to good....jk.
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@Labyrinthus said
"Are you saying that consciousness is able to be 'maintained' by others?... that It can be controlled by external, worldly forces? Ohhh...that is one of the most hopeless and depressing ideas I've heard in a long time. (I also don't think it is true).
"Take this for what you will. Personally, I find it very entertaining:
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@Veronica said
""Consciousness is a symptom of disease. All that moves well moves without will. All skillfulness, all strain, all intention is contrary to ease." The Book of Lies, Ch. 32"
Well, this brings us back to the perennial problem of semantics.
From the same source;
"Obviously, that which differentiates your consciousness from the absolute is part of the content of that consciousness."
So, I was referring to that part of the consciousness that stems from the Eternal, which is undifferentiated from the absolute. In your quote, Crowley was referring to the focus of awareness on and self-identity within the realms of duality. I was using the word in the sense of the Strength of Essence, the Eternal Self as a "Star" wielding creative expression within the realm of duality.
"When NOTHING became conscious, it made a bad bargain.
This consciousness acquired individuality: a worse bargain."Waaahh.
Crowley is not the first to express these sentiments.
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Yes! Now we're in new territory...!
At least for me, the question is to what degree will one be ruled only by the semantic processing functions of his or her brain alone? -For therein lies a very subtle form of deception. There are other processes just as inherently necessary to the survival of the species, and their instinct is to contradict the semantic processes - or at least to make connections where the semantic processing functions are not able to do so because of their necessarily solely-linear perspective. Not that a solely global perspective can do anything but numb one to the present moment...
I lost that linear perspective once without being prepared for it other than in church, seminary, tarot meditation, and personal experience. Thanks to the organization system of tarot, I was able to find my way back down and stay out of the looney-bin and hospital.
I'm just saying that at some point, and for some questions, the semantic side of the brain has to be put in its place. The king does not rule alone.
Ever read My Stroke of Insight, by Jill Bolte Taylor, Ph.D.?
I've just begun it, but it comes highly recommended to me by very diverse individuals. I'm pretty sure the concepts are similar to what I've described here.
Peace.
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"so now what am I going to do?"
Brother I dont know if that statement is meant like "in your face, Iam right your wrong how can you respond to that" or if you are genuinely asking me as a fellow human being what I plan to do about my perceptions and reality in regard to consciousness.
I appreciate your willing to discuss things, but from what I read here you make an awfull lot of assumptions that people are going to understand what you are trying to communicate.
I try my best to speak in simple clear words, so that my meaning is not lost.
I understand that power lies in words, and I choose my words very carefully (even though I do use a lot of them).I am not here on this forum to argue, nor am I interested in changing anyones point of view.
I am not here to attack you, or anyone else.
I am genuinely curious, and strive to understand as best as I am capable.
I am here to share what has been shared with me.
Take what you like and leave the rest."Believe nothing, no matter where you read it, or who has said it...., unless it agrees with your own reason and your own common sense" -Siddhartha Guatama
I live each moment of my life honoring a covenent I have made with Gaia. I dedicated myself to Her decades ago, and She has guided me without fail. I trust no one, or nothing unless they come to me through Her guidance.
The information on the financial system in America, the reallity of corporations, and the meaning behind the uses of all CAPS, I offered because I have found it not only valid but useful in my day to day. If you enjoy your reality then who am I to deny you. I had parts of my reality that I didnt enjoy, and I found a way to change it.Did you bother to even look at the book, or did you just want to debate?
So thats what I am doing, and shall be doing....
but after watching that video Takamb shared I think I shall also make myself one of those helmets he is sporting in his avatar....
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@Veronica said
"Brother I dont know if that statement is meant like "in your face, Iam right your wrong how can you respond to that" or if you are genuinely asking me as a fellow human being what I plan to do about my perceptions and reality in regard to consciousness.
"It was a rhetorical question regarding the Crowley quote that it followed.
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@Takamba said
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Take this for what you will. Personally, I find it very entertaining:
www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZyQjr1YL0zg"
Blocked in the UK for copyright reasons. Any alternate links, or a description?
@Frater LA said
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Ever read My Stroke of Insight, by Jill Bolte Taylor, Ph.D.?
I've just begun it, but it comes highly recommended to me by very diverse individuals. I'm pretty sure the concepts are similar to what I've described here.
"Truly fascinating story. Whats the book like?
She lectures on the experience here: www.ted.com/talks/jill_bolte_taylor_s_powerful_stroke_of_insight.html -
It's a neat-o video of a host inviting an MBA duo to come up with a draft advertisement for a taxidermy chain. After they come up with a draft, the host opens up the envelope that was on the table the whole time, and reveals that their design was nearly identical to the one in the envelope.
The duo had been unconsciously influenced by carefully choreographed design element cues during their taxi ride to the office.
It really underscores a great point. Adam Smith capitalism is based on an ideal universe, filled with independent people who make logical decisions. Which is something that any first year psychology/sociology student knows to be pretty magical thinking.
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Re: My Stroke of Insight
I've seriously only read the preface so far.
I've skimmed the book. It seems very user friendly. She IS a neuro-anatomist, so you do get some brain anatomy and function, but from what I've encountered, she's a very human and down to earth author. A teacher at heart.
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@Poe said
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@Takamba said
"Take this for what you will. Personally, I find it very entertaining:
www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZyQjr1YL0zg"
Blocked in the UK for copyright reasons. Any alternate links, or a description?
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It was a segment of an episode of Darren Brown's show called "Mind Control." Chances are, if he interests you, you've seen it.
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Thanks.
And yes, I have seen it.
If you get chance to see the recorded live show "Something wicked this way comes" then I can recommend it.
The show is a compendium of his techniques and the reveal at the end is simply masterful.His book "Tricks of the Mind" is an eye-opening read too. Though the second half is mostly an unnecessary Atheism-Fundamentalist rant against all that is "Spiritual" that many occult oriented people might find short-sighted, the first half is an interesting history of his chosen fields of mental-techniques.
@Frater LA
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@Poe said
"Thanks.
And yes, I have seen it.
If you get chance to see the recorded live show "Something wicked this way comes" then I can recommend it.
The show is a compendium of his techniques and the reveal at the end is simply masterful.His book "Tricks of the Mind" is an eye-opening read too. Though the second half is mostly an unnecessary Atheism-Fundamentalist rant against all that is "Spiritual" that many occult oriented people might find short-sighted, the first half is an interesting history of his chosen fields of mental-techniques.
@Frater LA
Hope you enjoy the read, her story had a real impact when I first heard it. A review would be welcome."I may look into the book, but I own Something Wicked This Way Comes on DVD. It's a blast, I enjoy it several times a year.
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This thread in and of itself disproves the idea of "democracy,"--or any kind of organization comprised of more than one unit.
The only corporate bodies which are able to retain their status as such do so because they conform to the laws of nature. The ideas of individuality are only true of themselves insofar as they conform to the original unity.
Therefore, an entity governed by as many conflicting elements as possible is only too likely to fail. Experience proves that intelligence deteriorates in the presence of lesser intelligences. For example: a crowd gone amuck in city streets requires brute force to be restrained. At the same time, greater intelligences are cable of wielding the masses at Will, for example: Hitler by his words inflamed the German people to war.
It is seen, then, that the "many," as such, can never exist as such of their own accord, and require a guiding hand. Even so, these individuals, stupid as they may be, require the illusion of personal control. In order to placate these unwilling disunities, democracy was invented and branded the salvation of man.
To wit: any body which lacks unity is bound to deteriorate, be this a corporate body, human body, or an ailing gofer.