"A Thelemic Utopia"
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The so called liberty in America is only allowed because the people are too complacent and apathetic to do anything about their opinions. The worst anyone does is shout their opinions loudly in protest, in the police sanctioned protest zones, believing that if the government sees they are unhappy it will stop doing those things. As if it is the happiness of the people that drives the government's behavior.
Now, a wise and kind king may be moved by the pleas of his people, also a wise king would not fear his people's public expression of their discontent as only this way can he get the feed back he needs to rule effectively. Further the king being a good king will need not worry that his subjects will libel him or his rule, for he shall be beloved of his people and if he is not, it shall be a point of honor that he change his behavior. The wise king also does not make himself the centre, is the Tao says, when the sage acts well, the people say "We ourselves have done it".
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I'm not sure that any idea of a Thelemic Utopia isn't just our ego imagining its favourite scenario - that of being King of the World and getting to dictate the rules.
All these caste systems or meritocracy based on "Spiritual Experience" still smacks heavily of Divine Right to Rule.
Claiming Right to Rule because a Blue Footed HGA told you so, is no different than claiming the right based on descent from King David, or the Annunaki or Nephilim or Lizards living in the Centre of the Earth or any other manner of silly story those whose ego would reign can come up with.
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Most certainly the attainment is the means by which one attains the divine right, which is to say one becomes chartered by the secret chiefs with the authority to rule.
Since attainment is a matter of science and not superstition such as Race superiority over other races or lineage from heredity. One must earn one's attainment and blessing from the Secret chiefs, not by birth right nor by pulling a sword from an anvil, nor even the descent of a dove as one bathes publicly, or any other such nonsense. Attainment is discerned by a program of efforts and tested with a rigorous scientific method.
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If one is truly doing their Will, are we to be bothered at the Rule of others? In other words, aren't all the stars in the heavens appointed their celestial orbits - and our egos are all that seem to be arguing against the case?
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A star is not appointed it's orbit by divine power, over billions of years and interactions even many collisions, the Gravity of one body pulling the other and another body pulling them apart. Over time, all the stars and celestial bodies discovered their limits and like water sought their natural level. Now when we look at the sky all the stars are in their proper place and orbit. They had to discover their True orbits, as we must discover our True Will.
If the whole cosmos had but one star, then it would have no orbit, if it was alone there would be not relative motion at all, the star would be fixed in place, it would just exist and have no motion or definition at all. What defines the motion and magnitude of one star is it's dynamic interaction with all the other stars which it influences and which have an influence on it. If the sun where to disappear, the earth would no longer orbit at all it would continue straight in a line tangent to it's location in orbit the instant the sun's gravity no longer effected it. Also the sun moves in the larger galaxy under the attraction of the galactic center, and the location and movement of all the other solar systems in our region of the galaxy are effected by our star, as it's orbit is effected by the other stars.
Thus the solar system is the society of bodies that organize around the sun as it's King. Their distance of orbit is a result of their mass, velocity, constitution, as it is effected by the gravity and light of the sun. if you moved Jupiter, the sun would move and change, also all the other planets including the earth would change orbits and most likely all life on earth would die. Even if the moon where to move from it's place we would all die.
Thus, it is not a matter of each star or heavenly body internally going any which random course it so chooses to, that would be chaos. Also in such a case there would be no life, and there would be no means to define this or that star or planet, since their true properties their dynamic WILL is relational to the others, and a star out of all relations with the rest of the universe would be un-defined.
So the sun is the center of our galaxy and it's gravity holds each of the 8 planets in orbit, the nature of each planet discerns the nature of it's orbit and relation to the sun, that is it's caste in the heavenly kingdom.
Likewise is the True King the center of the society on earth, and his light and guidance help each individual to find his proper orbit or Caste according to the contribution of the individual WILL to the society, that is the relation between the King and the HGA of his subjects discern their caste and purpose, creating divine order out of chaos. -
Just glossing over this page.
They must have drawn upon Thelemic sources to construct the Sith philosophy.
Even so much as re-constructing the brotherhood so that only the master and pupil know each other, exactly the change Crowley made in the A.'.A.'. from the old G.'.D.'. brotherhood system.
I am putting this here to show how hollywood is always on the averse side from Thelema. The Jedi are made out to be the good guys with their Osiris aeon values. While the Sith are made into satanic forces of evil.
So what you might say, but Star wars is a major cultural influence in the lives of a large portion of the population, not just the fanatics. It's not just star wars either, in all media forms they twist the Philosophy which informs Thelema and always place it with the protagonist, give him a black hat or a scar and an maniac's laugh.
You think the popular media would ever accept a Pro-Empire storyline of star wars. There have been a few episodes of star trek like that, but they were given evil goatees and defeated by the "good" universe crew.
There needs to be a transvaluation of values on the public scale. At this time we are half way and most people give up on values and prefer apathy to confusion. A strong leader displaying Aristocratic Thelemic values could bring us back from the precipice of nihilism, at least on the small scale.But first we have to banish from our lives the influence of hollywood and liberal progressivism. There is a reason why Crowley's first order at the abbey was to ban all newspapers. We would need to ban almost all popular media.
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But would not the Warriors claim their Right to Rule through the justification that Warfare is is the heart and soul of a nation and its Society?
And the Merchants would claim their Right through the justification of trade being the lifeblood of a nation.
And so on.What evidence would you be able to produce for the people of the Spiritual Right to decide their fate and rule them?
The say-so of other Mystics who qualify their own status with no evidence presentable for examination beyond their own inner-circle?
People would have the right to demand to see the Securities. Can you produce the Secret Chiefs at will for others to examine?
Without that external proof, what (in the mind of the common man whose loyalty is being demanded) separates the claims of the High Priests from those of the past of Kings etc who claim descent from Lizards or Space-Gods? -
Froclown,
A.'.A.'. and the' Sith philosophy' - as you said - have nothing in common.
the only seemingly 'similarity' is that of the structure - one-on-one relations between a student and teacher, but it's not even remotely the same.
in the A.'.A.'. only Probationers should not know each other; but this is just a practical advice for that Grade, and the reasons are clear; and you can of course socialize with whoever you will, from the Order or not. and all the aspirants are adviced from the start that ''mystery is the enemy of Truth'', so to speak openly of their connection to the Order.
that does differ in so many ways from the mentioned ''Sith order'' that the comparison is a bit absurd.
there is, of course, one superior for one aspirant, but the aspirant is 'lead' by the superior (assisted is a better word) until 5=6, after that no human guidance is necessery.
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Well, the Kings do not demand obedience and they do not continually reference their connection to the inner order as a proof of authority. The people choose to follow the kings, as his right to rule is evidently manifest in his character. Yes each caste will believe their own is the most important, that way their is not so much class warfare, as when people believe they the grass is always greener in some other better social caste.
The King whose rule comes from science is of course able to demonstrate the benefits of his rule. He need not simply appeal to authority or superstition, instead he provides evidence. If the actuality fails to meet the hypothesis the king then must try something else. This rule by science, is the basis of skinner's Walden 2, and the method of science is an important part of Thelema.
(As to sith philosophy and Thelema they have allot in common. "Stomp down the wretched and weak", "There is no ethical principle", "I want none of your faint approval or faint dispraise; I want blasphemy, murder, rape, revolution, anything bad or good, but strong.", Thelema teaches not to transcend the passions rather to bend them to the WILL. "Success is thy proof") I could go on, clearly social Darwinism informs Thelema.
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Ehh... See, I think you took a wrong turn there toward the end.
Is it possible to back up and go back to the part where you were talking about an adept going and doing his or her own thing, and I was talking about how any political edifice created couldn't be considered affiliated with the A.'.A.'. but would be considered an empty shell.
Think of it like this: if we were writing a book together, I think this is where there would be room to play. The timeless has to enter the world of time somehow, and science fiction is the canvas on which we paint our possible futures.
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yes there is allot of rhetoric about the A.'.A.'. and it's timelessness and it being non-physical chiefs etc.
Those metaphysical things simply do not exist. However, it is possible to unlock certain potentialities in the brain, which produce the effects of making symbolic connections and archetypes evident where they are not understood by those who have not "turned on" those aspects of the brain. One aspect of this state of mind is that the awareness of time is altered in strange ways, where time seems cyclical even eternal, or that there is real time and illusionary time such that one can be both in the past and the present as 2 different people.
These states can have disorienting effects on the mind. But they also open the individual to the potential awareness of subtle encoded symbols that others can not see, a new faculty. Consider the benefits of a man with one eye leading the blind. He may not understand what sight is, having just acquired it and dimly, but because he has sight he can lead the people more effectively, that is if they don't think him afflicted with a madness the cure for which is the sharpened rod.
Colin Wilson speaks of occult faculty,
It is the faculty of seeing the forms of Plato
Leary-Wilson describe it an opening the 5th-8th neuro-circuits.
Evola calls it initiation into the Hyperborean tradition
some mystics call it Ascension other Samadhi.
It has been called the key to the mysteries of the rose and cross
and the stone of the wise.
Sherlock Holmes called it Elementary, Watson called it brilliance.
Some have called it evidence of dementia praxesUnder whatever name, it is a faculty of dealing with symbols in ways that relate back into practical reality creating astonishing effects. The Clavicus of Solomon calls this the art of Magic, Crowley calls it Magick. The art, science and philosophy of the Magi, or Kings.
If we look at Mathematics, numbers are but one type of symbol which we abstract from the natural world, we manipulate the pure symbols in ways that in higher mathematics have no correlation to actual processes possible it the original physical objects. Once these calculations are completed on the pure symbols they are re-introduced to the physical world and we get near perfect predictions and results. To those who do not understand mathematics it seems miraculous that anyone could discern what the mathematician had done. So too in a culture where most are ignorant of reading, a man stares at a book intently for hours, in his minds eye he is on a great adventure, to the savage the man appears struck with an obsession he stare at leaves of paper with scribbles on them and claims to go on a spiritual journey, even more strange the man can know things about the content of boxes and where things are buried, only by staring at scribbles.
These are example of how science/magick have given people abilities that seem miraculous and help to guide those who do not have them. So much more then one would thing for the symbolic manipulations of Kabbalah, astrology, psychological archetypes, the astral plane etc. The ability to abstract information, process it according to say the Enochian tablets and the interaction with "angelic" servitors in the mind acting as a sort of co-processor or higher faculty. Then to discern truths about the natural world via this complex symbolic processing.
Is a magick working with a candle wand and dark mirror, really so different from what the mathemetician does with pencil and paper. And does not this faculty, the ability to process this type of information give one an advantage over other, a clear insight into the natural world and the methods of making predictions outside the scope of common sense and mere intuitive guess work.
The danger is getting lost in the abstraction or becoming difficult to understand, or not able to fully form your ideals in a consistent way. This can appear as madness or just like a math professor, you may appear a disorganized and confuddled genius who can't even dress himself. Confusing the planes is a danger as well as getting disconnected. The other danger is that people will not understand and believe you are in concourse with devils or that you are just crazy, and find some cure analogous to the pointed stick to cure the visions of the one eyed man mentioned before. Lobotomy was a popular practice at one time and Electro-convulsive therapy is not unheard of today. But it is typical of the Iron age (Kali yuga) that the people would kill and torture their rightful leaders. However, the establishment of Thelema and the guidance of others who have developed these faculties, should help to produce true kings as well as a social body willing to accept their rule.
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I am the peaceful warrior:
Settle scores on dance floors,
Where I eat you up;
Shit you out,
You roll and writher,
Scream and slither,
Of how you always want more
Bending bodies, tracing forms
Occult meaning relayed
By dub-step beat that playedOh shut up and listen to your heart beat!
Let that be what moves your feet
And contorts you towards,
That treasured horde,
"Why are we still thinking?" -
"The most thought provoking thought in these thought provoking times is that 'we are still not thinking," (Heidegger)
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"The most thought provoking thought in these thought provoking times is that 'we are still not thinking," (Heidegger)
"What a lovely play of words
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"yes there is allot of rhetoric about the A.'.A.'. and it's timelessness and it being non-physical chiefs etc.
Those metaphysical things simply do not exist.
"I will simply point you to the mirror, to this debate, to the Sun currently being in the constellation Gemini, as well as to your own reference to the "Kali" yuga.
"However, the establishment of Thelema and the guidance of others who have developed these faculties, should help to produce true kings as well as a social body willing to accept their rule."
Personally, I really liked how you rounded that off.
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A Meditation for Gemini:
Being your slave, what should I do but tend
Upon the hours and times of your desire?
I have no precious time at all to spend,
Nor services to do, till you require.
Nor dare I chide the world-without-end hour
Whilst I, my sovereign, watch the clock for you,
Nor think the bitterness of absence sour
When you have bid your servant once adieu;
Nor dare I question with my jealous thought
Where you may be, or your affairs suppose,
But, like a sad slave, stay and think of nought
Save, where you are how happy you make those.
So true a fool is love that in your will,
Though you do any thing, he thinks no ill.- William Shakespeare
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Here is an Idea as a way to start.
Acquire an apt complex or hotel, apts. are better.
Now, rent out these apt. to thelemites, Say O.T.O members.
Use the rent money to pay off the mortgage, then use the profits to feed back into the system.
Use them to fund a temple and masses.
Once that is taken care of, help members to get started with personal businesses
or business that makes money for the whole.
For example help fund home offices, maybe set up a lawn care company or home cleaning company
Run the business on Thelemic principles and use the profits of the business to aid the members.
Use the profits as interest free loan or grants for education, to pay the health bills of the elderly and sick,
to buy art supplies for the artists, etc.Providing each individual with what he or she needs to contribute to the whole community according to his or her Will. Thus the initial investment in the property will pay for itself with a snow ball effect of interest. (The original investments can be collected from members or by loans from outside investors who can be paid back at an interest rate).
Perhaps this camp might expand and buy more land build more houses, etc. Also it would be one local body, you could have several of these connected. The accumulative wealth, generated from several such cells could put the OTO on par with large corporation, giving a degree of political influence. It does not seem infeasible that such a net work expanded to global size, over time might become the economic match of the Roman Catholicism.
If you doubt this is possible, might I direct you to the history of a little general store called Wal-mart.
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Who decides the business? who controls the money? Who decides who get what room with what view? How will a King tell another King home to run his/her kingdom, and decide the resources or products they can contribute/produce?
Just because someone claims to be a thelemite and has gone through the degrees of say the OTO does not make them a thelemite. I have seen very unthelemic socialization within Thelemic lodges especially when one thinks they know what is best for another or a group.
I don't believe any social paradigm can accommodate Thelema, as it is a philosophic path of the individual. "Every emancipator enslaves." Just because I may be well suited to eat dirt does not mean that my brothers or sisters ought to. A Thelemic Utopia is the same as a Fascist Utopia, a Capitalist Utopia, a Democratic Utopia etc etc etc... No model can encapsulate the masses and the individual, one most be sacrificed for the other.
I can guarantee that no two Kings will have the same conclusion on what is right or even Thelemic for that matter.
Personally, I think that people are wasting to much energy on a relatively pointless topic. I hope that as much energy and thought goes into magical practice...
"As brothers fight ye!"
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@Froclown said
"Here is an Idea as a way to start.
Acquire an apt complex or hotel, apts. are better.
Now, rent out these apt. to thelemites, Say O.T.O members.
Use the rent money to pay off the mortgage, then use the profits to feed back into the system.
Use them to fund a temple and masses.
Once that is taken care of, help members to get started with personal businesses
or business that makes money for the whole.
For example help fund home offices, maybe set up a lawn care company or home cleaning company
Run the business on Thelemic principles and use the profits of the business to aid the members.
Use the profits as interest free loan or grants for education, to pay the health bills of the elderly and sick,
to buy art supplies for the artists, etc.Providing each individual with what he or she needs to contribute to the whole community according to his or her Will. Thus the initial investment in the property will pay for itself with a snow ball effect of interest. (The original investments can be collected from members or by loans from outside investors who can be paid back at an interest rate).
Perhaps this camp might expand and buy more land build more houses, etc. Also it would be one local body, you could have several of these connected. The accumulative wealth, generated from several such cells could put the OTO on par with large corporation, giving a degree of political influence. It does not seem infeasible that such a net work expanded to global size, over time might become the economic match of the Roman Catholicism.
If you doubt this is possible, might I direct you to the history of a little general store called Wal-mart."
I'm not slighting this post in any way, I just want to be clear. I need to get to work, but if I was going to try to communicate this thought/question to you quickly, I would say:
ekklesia -> Acts -> Persecution -> In Hoc Signo Vinces -> Nicea...?
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Personally, I tend to hope for something more like a "93 Theses," but I can't escape the fact that revolutionary ideas are in fact revolutionary - that particular bit of German history to which I'm alluding looking basically the same as the Roman one related above. Even Ra Hoor Khuit is the Lord of the Aeon, I can't help but believe there is such a thing as a Thelemic voice for moderation and peace.
Given, Martin Luther King's voice may not have been so readily accepted if it did not exist as the polar opposite and more preferable future reality to that of Malcolm X. There are circumstances under which the mass mind can be elevated relatively peacefully. At least that is my hope for the future.