"A Thelemic Utopia"
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Ehh... See, I think you took a wrong turn there toward the end.
Is it possible to back up and go back to the part where you were talking about an adept going and doing his or her own thing, and I was talking about how any political edifice created couldn't be considered affiliated with the A.'.A.'. but would be considered an empty shell.
Think of it like this: if we were writing a book together, I think this is where there would be room to play. The timeless has to enter the world of time somehow, and science fiction is the canvas on which we paint our possible futures.
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yes there is allot of rhetoric about the A.'.A.'. and it's timelessness and it being non-physical chiefs etc.
Those metaphysical things simply do not exist. However, it is possible to unlock certain potentialities in the brain, which produce the effects of making symbolic connections and archetypes evident where they are not understood by those who have not "turned on" those aspects of the brain. One aspect of this state of mind is that the awareness of time is altered in strange ways, where time seems cyclical even eternal, or that there is real time and illusionary time such that one can be both in the past and the present as 2 different people.
These states can have disorienting effects on the mind. But they also open the individual to the potential awareness of subtle encoded symbols that others can not see, a new faculty. Consider the benefits of a man with one eye leading the blind. He may not understand what sight is, having just acquired it and dimly, but because he has sight he can lead the people more effectively, that is if they don't think him afflicted with a madness the cure for which is the sharpened rod.
Colin Wilson speaks of occult faculty,
It is the faculty of seeing the forms of Plato
Leary-Wilson describe it an opening the 5th-8th neuro-circuits.
Evola calls it initiation into the Hyperborean tradition
some mystics call it Ascension other Samadhi.
It has been called the key to the mysteries of the rose and cross
and the stone of the wise.
Sherlock Holmes called it Elementary, Watson called it brilliance.
Some have called it evidence of dementia praxesUnder whatever name, it is a faculty of dealing with symbols in ways that relate back into practical reality creating astonishing effects. The Clavicus of Solomon calls this the art of Magic, Crowley calls it Magick. The art, science and philosophy of the Magi, or Kings.
If we look at Mathematics, numbers are but one type of symbol which we abstract from the natural world, we manipulate the pure symbols in ways that in higher mathematics have no correlation to actual processes possible it the original physical objects. Once these calculations are completed on the pure symbols they are re-introduced to the physical world and we get near perfect predictions and results. To those who do not understand mathematics it seems miraculous that anyone could discern what the mathematician had done. So too in a culture where most are ignorant of reading, a man stares at a book intently for hours, in his minds eye he is on a great adventure, to the savage the man appears struck with an obsession he stare at leaves of paper with scribbles on them and claims to go on a spiritual journey, even more strange the man can know things about the content of boxes and where things are buried, only by staring at scribbles.
These are example of how science/magick have given people abilities that seem miraculous and help to guide those who do not have them. So much more then one would thing for the symbolic manipulations of Kabbalah, astrology, psychological archetypes, the astral plane etc. The ability to abstract information, process it according to say the Enochian tablets and the interaction with "angelic" servitors in the mind acting as a sort of co-processor or higher faculty. Then to discern truths about the natural world via this complex symbolic processing.
Is a magick working with a candle wand and dark mirror, really so different from what the mathemetician does with pencil and paper. And does not this faculty, the ability to process this type of information give one an advantage over other, a clear insight into the natural world and the methods of making predictions outside the scope of common sense and mere intuitive guess work.
The danger is getting lost in the abstraction or becoming difficult to understand, or not able to fully form your ideals in a consistent way. This can appear as madness or just like a math professor, you may appear a disorganized and confuddled genius who can't even dress himself. Confusing the planes is a danger as well as getting disconnected. The other danger is that people will not understand and believe you are in concourse with devils or that you are just crazy, and find some cure analogous to the pointed stick to cure the visions of the one eyed man mentioned before. Lobotomy was a popular practice at one time and Electro-convulsive therapy is not unheard of today. But it is typical of the Iron age (Kali yuga) that the people would kill and torture their rightful leaders. However, the establishment of Thelema and the guidance of others who have developed these faculties, should help to produce true kings as well as a social body willing to accept their rule.
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I am the peaceful warrior:
Settle scores on dance floors,
Where I eat you up;
Shit you out,
You roll and writher,
Scream and slither,
Of how you always want more
Bending bodies, tracing forms
Occult meaning relayed
By dub-step beat that playedOh shut up and listen to your heart beat!
Let that be what moves your feet
And contorts you towards,
That treasured horde,
"Why are we still thinking?" -
"The most thought provoking thought in these thought provoking times is that 'we are still not thinking," (Heidegger)
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"The most thought provoking thought in these thought provoking times is that 'we are still not thinking," (Heidegger)
"What a lovely play of words
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"yes there is allot of rhetoric about the A.'.A.'. and it's timelessness and it being non-physical chiefs etc.
Those metaphysical things simply do not exist.
"I will simply point you to the mirror, to this debate, to the Sun currently being in the constellation Gemini, as well as to your own reference to the "Kali" yuga.
"However, the establishment of Thelema and the guidance of others who have developed these faculties, should help to produce true kings as well as a social body willing to accept their rule."
Personally, I really liked how you rounded that off.
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A Meditation for Gemini:
Being your slave, what should I do but tend
Upon the hours and times of your desire?
I have no precious time at all to spend,
Nor services to do, till you require.
Nor dare I chide the world-without-end hour
Whilst I, my sovereign, watch the clock for you,
Nor think the bitterness of absence sour
When you have bid your servant once adieu;
Nor dare I question with my jealous thought
Where you may be, or your affairs suppose,
But, like a sad slave, stay and think of nought
Save, where you are how happy you make those.
So true a fool is love that in your will,
Though you do any thing, he thinks no ill.- William Shakespeare
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Here is an Idea as a way to start.
Acquire an apt complex or hotel, apts. are better.
Now, rent out these apt. to thelemites, Say O.T.O members.
Use the rent money to pay off the mortgage, then use the profits to feed back into the system.
Use them to fund a temple and masses.
Once that is taken care of, help members to get started with personal businesses
or business that makes money for the whole.
For example help fund home offices, maybe set up a lawn care company or home cleaning company
Run the business on Thelemic principles and use the profits of the business to aid the members.
Use the profits as interest free loan or grants for education, to pay the health bills of the elderly and sick,
to buy art supplies for the artists, etc.Providing each individual with what he or she needs to contribute to the whole community according to his or her Will. Thus the initial investment in the property will pay for itself with a snow ball effect of interest. (The original investments can be collected from members or by loans from outside investors who can be paid back at an interest rate).
Perhaps this camp might expand and buy more land build more houses, etc. Also it would be one local body, you could have several of these connected. The accumulative wealth, generated from several such cells could put the OTO on par with large corporation, giving a degree of political influence. It does not seem infeasible that such a net work expanded to global size, over time might become the economic match of the Roman Catholicism.
If you doubt this is possible, might I direct you to the history of a little general store called Wal-mart.
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Who decides the business? who controls the money? Who decides who get what room with what view? How will a King tell another King home to run his/her kingdom, and decide the resources or products they can contribute/produce?
Just because someone claims to be a thelemite and has gone through the degrees of say the OTO does not make them a thelemite. I have seen very unthelemic socialization within Thelemic lodges especially when one thinks they know what is best for another or a group.
I don't believe any social paradigm can accommodate Thelema, as it is a philosophic path of the individual. "Every emancipator enslaves." Just because I may be well suited to eat dirt does not mean that my brothers or sisters ought to. A Thelemic Utopia is the same as a Fascist Utopia, a Capitalist Utopia, a Democratic Utopia etc etc etc... No model can encapsulate the masses and the individual, one most be sacrificed for the other.
I can guarantee that no two Kings will have the same conclusion on what is right or even Thelemic for that matter.
Personally, I think that people are wasting to much energy on a relatively pointless topic. I hope that as much energy and thought goes into magical practice...
"As brothers fight ye!"
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@Froclown said
"Here is an Idea as a way to start.
Acquire an apt complex or hotel, apts. are better.
Now, rent out these apt. to thelemites, Say O.T.O members.
Use the rent money to pay off the mortgage, then use the profits to feed back into the system.
Use them to fund a temple and masses.
Once that is taken care of, help members to get started with personal businesses
or business that makes money for the whole.
For example help fund home offices, maybe set up a lawn care company or home cleaning company
Run the business on Thelemic principles and use the profits of the business to aid the members.
Use the profits as interest free loan or grants for education, to pay the health bills of the elderly and sick,
to buy art supplies for the artists, etc.Providing each individual with what he or she needs to contribute to the whole community according to his or her Will. Thus the initial investment in the property will pay for itself with a snow ball effect of interest. (The original investments can be collected from members or by loans from outside investors who can be paid back at an interest rate).
Perhaps this camp might expand and buy more land build more houses, etc. Also it would be one local body, you could have several of these connected. The accumulative wealth, generated from several such cells could put the OTO on par with large corporation, giving a degree of political influence. It does not seem infeasible that such a net work expanded to global size, over time might become the economic match of the Roman Catholicism.
If you doubt this is possible, might I direct you to the history of a little general store called Wal-mart."
I'm not slighting this post in any way, I just want to be clear. I need to get to work, but if I was going to try to communicate this thought/question to you quickly, I would say:
ekklesia -> Acts -> Persecution -> In Hoc Signo Vinces -> Nicea...?
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Personally, I tend to hope for something more like a "93 Theses," but I can't escape the fact that revolutionary ideas are in fact revolutionary - that particular bit of German history to which I'm alluding looking basically the same as the Roman one related above. Even Ra Hoor Khuit is the Lord of the Aeon, I can't help but believe there is such a thing as a Thelemic voice for moderation and peace.
Given, Martin Luther King's voice may not have been so readily accepted if it did not exist as the polar opposite and more preferable future reality to that of Malcolm X. There are circumstances under which the mass mind can be elevated relatively peacefully. At least that is my hope for the future.
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@Frater LA said
"Personally, I tend to hope for something more like a "93 Theses," but I can't escape the fact that revolutionary ideas are in fact revolutionary - that particular bit of German history to which I'm alluding looking basically the same as the Roman one related above. Even Ra Hoor Khuit is the Lord of the Aeon, I can't help but believe there is such a thing as a Thelemic voice for moderation and peace. ."
I think that there will be no "Thelemic" voice of moderation as RaHoor is a god of War and Vengeance. If you buy into the idea that the next Aeon will be of Ma'at then humanity will experience moderation and harmony, but until then the Crowned and Conquering Child most overcome the entropy of the "Old Gods" and the slave religions. If you have a rotten tooth you will have to experience the pain of removal or suffer and die of infection.
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Yes. And now the circle is complete...
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Dissolution into Nuit is peace
Knowledge of Hadit is suffering.
Action of Ra-hoor-Khuit is the manifest world of actuality.The world never has been and never will be at peace. It is the
continuous War of ALL against ALL.
In order to live you have to take the life of plants and animals.
In order to express your will you have to push, shove and slaughter those who get in your way.
The universe is crowded, and is set up so that to the victor go the spoils, Those who refuse to
fight are slaughtered without mercy, by those who desire the other's food, shelter, niche of social influence.There is no such thing as a free lunch. Your liberty to do your WILL is a direct result of your POWER to clear yourself a space in which to act, by might, others will always challenge you and eventually the younger and stronger will win, or the just lucky. That is the world and always will be.
"Every man is King over the circumference of his sword arm, the swords of others will set his limits"
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@Froclown said
"The world never has been and never will be at peace. It is the
continuous War of ALL against ALL. "And the big fish eat the little fish.
Mars is a fact of life and there will always be conflict on planet Earth. Utopian fantasies are just astral dreams. There is no Aeon that is coming that will lift the consciousness of the masses -- the masses must lift themselves up and so far they aren't even lifting a finger, IMHO.
Violence is ubiquitous. I was threatened with a knife and robbed in North Africa. My sister was assaulted at a bus stop and suffered injuries because she tried to hold onto her purse. Those who aren't abusing others are busy abusing themselves with drugs and/or alcohol etc. Those who aren't pursuing direct violence are busy trying to increase their POWER and violate the free will of their fellow man by forcing them to behave according to their own desires.... But these Utopian dreams are really just Power Lust on the part of those who wish to rule and laziness or cowardice on the part of those who prefer to be ruled, rather than take responsibility for creating their own reality.
If a new Aeon is coming that shifts the circumstances of this world such that conflict, negativity, etc. will be significantly reduced the masses of unprepared Souls will make a quick exit. The world is the way it is because the general level of consciousness matches and fits with these conditions. It is not because of external conditions being imposed on innocent souls by dastardly forces, it is the external conditions manifesting to match the level of consciousness of the general population.
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lol... I know, and who can argue against any of your thoughts without themselves embodying them, right?
But, sincerely...
What do the Shepherds of Hermes preach? How can I teach a person to individuate, and thus take their own Divine Rank and role in the living Body of Nuit, if I can't ever affirm their impulses to motherliness, mercy, and compassion? If I can't describe an individual's True Will in those terms, where will the mothers of the Warriors come from? How will families be made stable enough to survive and thrive without any room made for water and salt?
I'm concerned about adaptability of response. If all you have is a hammer, then, yeah, everything might as well be a nail. When it's all said and done, I need to hear a little more about some of the other tools in the psychic medicine bag of the Aeon besides Ra Hoor Khuit. Yes, a hammer is a primary tool, but I'm trying to cut a diamond here...
For Esau sold his birthright for just a bowl of beans
While Jacob wrestled with his Angel and won everything. -
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"The world never has been and never will be at peace. It is the
continuous War of ALL against ALL.
In order to live you have to take the life of plants and animals.
In order to express your will you have to push, shove and slaughter those who get in your way."A simple fact of the initiation process, plainly demonstrable to anyone who persists in following it, is that this perspective is eventually seen to just that - a perspective, not ultimate fact. By the same token, anyone who holds solely to this position is showing him or herself to be locked into an anti-initiation stance, adhering to ego-based mental structures rather than loosening them to expand awareness and understanding.
Of course we suffer pain, theft, loss, conflict, death and all the rest. This is one side of the picture, but as Frater LA points out, it's solely that - one side. Thus, if we take the content of Chapter III of Liber L and apply it solely to Assiah, then yes, we're obviously heading into a couple of millennia of predicted apocalypse, and only the psychopaths will survive. If we see it as a call to inner discipline and transformation, then the perception of apparent conflict existing within a purposeful universe transforms our understanding. We start to recognize that it's our assumed need to push, shove and slaughter that prevents us from seeing this.
And we don't need to be hugely advanced adepts to grasp that. We just have to be willing to let some of our more cherished anxieties dissolve a little.
93 93/93,
Edward
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Behold...! The gift of interpretation of tongues..! lol...
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I never said that this violence is bad. Victory in battle is fulfilling, and the Darwinian results can't be denied as necessary to hone the strength of the race.
How is such a "perspective" not initiation, what about 6=5 the initiation of severity?
Is Mars not also of the Gods?
and does not even Jupiter's divine wisdom strike as a violent thunderbolt of Satori? (path of the star) -
Oh, Absolutely..!
And I applaud your defense of it as scholarly and masterful...! Seriously...
It's just, honestly, as a seeker to what has truly become the Temple of Thelema in my own psyche, I guess the thing that I can't get off my mind is whether the perspective of that initiation, key to this Aeon, is the only perspective allowed within the Temple?
Because I'm incredibly undisciplined and un-advanced as far as what I see as the grade-system of operational definitions goes. I get that. But, you know, seeking at this Temple, I'm of the nature and temperament to have touched my own small piece and color of this Unity, and it's simply more Green than Red, the apparent color of the Aeon.
So, what part does my Libran Green-ness play in what can only be described as this big Red Temple..? Because I was born to be a shepherd and a counselor of the soul. And what voice do I have if not to balance Aries' horned hunt for the Egg?