Adding "Aiwass" to the Qabalistic Cross
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The topic is pretty self-explanatory. What are your views about adding "Aiwass" (or anything for that matter) in between the Atah and Malkuth in the Qabalistic Cross? I presume the added word/phrase is centered around the heart based on various forms of the LBRP/LIRP that I've seen online (I presume orders have their own unpublished variants but I obviously can't get knowledge of them at this time
).I personally started vibrating Aiwass (as a stand-in for the HGA) because it seemed to add subtle but distinct feeling of power/effectiveness to the ritual.
Does anyone vibrate anything else there, or want to talk about experiences with vibrating Aiwass? I've thought of vibrating Adonai or RHK there but haven't experimented yet.
A secondary question you may address if you feel like it, while I'm here (I feel bad making so many LBRP topics when there are already tons of them, and I have indeed read 95% of them): The hexagram at the end of the ritual - how do you visualize it? The only way I've found that actually works spontaneously is a single hexagram floating above my head, bottom point nearly touching the crown of my head (and even that feels pretty forced compared to, say, the pentagrams or the evocation of the Archangels). I've tried a pair of hexagrams as a floor and ceiling, one within me, one on my chest, etc, and they all feel fairly forced. Anyone have suggestions based on personal experience?
Your description of the experience is spatial or positional. You described something happening in space with spatial or positional coordination and relationship. That's not Briatic.
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The topic is pretty self-explanatory. What are your views about adding "Aiwass" (or anything for that matter) in between the Atah and Malkuth in the Qabalistic Cross? I presume the added word/phrase is centered around the heart based on various forms of the LBRP/LIRP that I've seen online (I presume orders have their own unpublished variants but I obviously can't get knowledge of them at this time
).I personally started vibrating Aiwass (as a stand-in for the HGA) because it seemed to add subtle but distinct feeling of power/effectiveness to the ritual.
Does anyone vibrate anything else there, or want to talk about experiences with vibrating Aiwass? I've thought of vibrating Adonai or RHK there but haven't experimented yet.
A secondary question you may address if you feel like it, while I'm here (I feel bad making so many LBRP topics when there are already tons of them, and I have indeed read 95% of them): The hexagram at the end of the ritual - how do you visualize it? The only way I've found that actually works spontaneously is a single hexagram floating above my head, bottom point nearly touching the crown of my head (and even that feels pretty forced compared to, say, the pentagrams or the evocation of the Archangels). I've tried a pair of hexagrams as a floor and ceiling, one within me, one on my chest, etc, and they all feel fairly forced. Anyone have suggestions based on personal experience?
@Jim Eshelman said
"Your description of the experience is spatial or positional. You described something happening in space with spatial or positional coordination and relationship. That's not Briatic."
ok lol, i get what your saying: In Israel Regardie's A Garden of Pomegranate's(which i finally bought) he describes the astral forces of the formative world of Yetzirah to be clothed in a design or model of electric and magnetic matter. I'm guessing the 'magnetic' type feeling I got was simply astral. Thnx Jim
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The topic is pretty self-explanatory. What are your views about adding "Aiwass" (or anything for that matter) in between the Atah and Malkuth in the Qabalistic Cross? I presume the added word/phrase is centered around the heart based on various forms of the LBRP/LIRP that I've seen online (I presume orders have their own unpublished variants but I obviously can't get knowledge of them at this time
).I personally started vibrating Aiwass (as a stand-in for the HGA) because it seemed to add subtle but distinct feeling of power/effectiveness to the ritual.
Does anyone vibrate anything else there, or want to talk about experiences with vibrating Aiwass? I've thought of vibrating Adonai or RHK there but haven't experimented yet.
A secondary question you may address if you feel like it, while I'm here (I feel bad making so many LBRP topics when there are already tons of them, and I have indeed read 95% of them): The hexagram at the end of the ritual - how do you visualize it? The only way I've found that actually works spontaneously is a single hexagram floating above my head, bottom point nearly touching the crown of my head (and even that feels pretty forced compared to, say, the pentagrams or the evocation of the Archangels). I've tried a pair of hexagrams as a floor and ceiling, one within me, one on my chest, etc, and they all feel fairly forced. Anyone have suggestions based on personal experience?
I have begun to try this, and what happens is that my eyes unfocus and it feels like I'm looking in all four directions at once, seeing all of the pentagrams, including the one behind me. I need to practice it more but am I on the right track?
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The topic is pretty self-explanatory. What are your views about adding "Aiwass" (or anything for that matter) in between the Atah and Malkuth in the Qabalistic Cross? I presume the added word/phrase is centered around the heart based on various forms of the LBRP/LIRP that I've seen online (I presume orders have their own unpublished variants but I obviously can't get knowledge of them at this time
).I personally started vibrating Aiwass (as a stand-in for the HGA) because it seemed to add subtle but distinct feeling of power/effectiveness to the ritual.
Does anyone vibrate anything else there, or want to talk about experiences with vibrating Aiwass? I've thought of vibrating Adonai or RHK there but haven't experimented yet.
A secondary question you may address if you feel like it, while I'm here (I feel bad making so many LBRP topics when there are already tons of them, and I have indeed read 95% of them): The hexagram at the end of the ritual - how do you visualize it? The only way I've found that actually works spontaneously is a single hexagram floating above my head, bottom point nearly touching the crown of my head (and even that feels pretty forced compared to, say, the pentagrams or the evocation of the Archangels). I've tried a pair of hexagrams as a floor and ceiling, one within me, one on my chest, etc, and they all feel fairly forced. Anyone have suggestions based on personal experience?
I was reading this topic, and wondered; wouldn't it actually be wrong to use Aiwass in this ritual?
I refer you to Liber AL, Chapter II, verse 8. Aiwass explains that He is the worshipper and is identified with Heru-pa-kraath and to worship Him is to do ill.
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The topic is pretty self-explanatory. What are your views about adding "Aiwass" (or anything for that matter) in between the Atah and Malkuth in the Qabalistic Cross? I presume the added word/phrase is centered around the heart based on various forms of the LBRP/LIRP that I've seen online (I presume orders have their own unpublished variants but I obviously can't get knowledge of them at this time
).I personally started vibrating Aiwass (as a stand-in for the HGA) because it seemed to add subtle but distinct feeling of power/effectiveness to the ritual.
Does anyone vibrate anything else there, or want to talk about experiences with vibrating Aiwass? I've thought of vibrating Adonai or RHK there but haven't experimented yet.
A secondary question you may address if you feel like it, while I'm here (I feel bad making so many LBRP topics when there are already tons of them, and I have indeed read 95% of them): The hexagram at the end of the ritual - how do you visualize it? The only way I've found that actually works spontaneously is a single hexagram floating above my head, bottom point nearly touching the crown of my head (and even that feels pretty forced compared to, say, the pentagrams or the evocation of the Archangels). I've tried a pair of hexagrams as a floor and ceiling, one within me, one on my chest, etc, and they all feel fairly forced. Anyone have suggestions based on personal experience?
@Frater Pramudita said
"I was reading this topic, and wondered; wouldn't it actually be wrong to use Aiwass in this ritual?
I refer you to Liber AL, Chapter II, verse 8. Aiwass explains that He is the worshipper and is identified with Heru-pa-kraath and to worship Him is to do ill."
That passage is attributed to Hadit. Aiwass is just the messenger.
The instruction to add Aiwass to the ritual comes directly from Crowley BTW.
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The topic is pretty self-explanatory. What are your views about adding "Aiwass" (or anything for that matter) in between the Atah and Malkuth in the Qabalistic Cross? I presume the added word/phrase is centered around the heart based on various forms of the LBRP/LIRP that I've seen online (I presume orders have their own unpublished variants but I obviously can't get knowledge of them at this time
).I personally started vibrating Aiwass (as a stand-in for the HGA) because it seemed to add subtle but distinct feeling of power/effectiveness to the ritual.
Does anyone vibrate anything else there, or want to talk about experiences with vibrating Aiwass? I've thought of vibrating Adonai or RHK there but haven't experimented yet.
A secondary question you may address if you feel like it, while I'm here (I feel bad making so many LBRP topics when there are already tons of them, and I have indeed read 95% of them): The hexagram at the end of the ritual - how do you visualize it? The only way I've found that actually works spontaneously is a single hexagram floating above my head, bottom point nearly touching the crown of my head (and even that feels pretty forced compared to, say, the pentagrams or the evocation of the Archangels). I've tried a pair of hexagrams as a floor and ceiling, one within me, one on my chest, etc, and they all feel fairly forced. Anyone have suggestions based on personal experience?
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My own feeling on the matter is that A.C. considered Aiwass to be his holy guardian angel, and so to use anothers angel's name would be kinda like trying on his persona or something.
I don't want to get my individuality mixed up with the Master Therion so I just use ADNI in its place as a generic stand in.
Having said that I'm starting to get intimations about my own HGA's name, so with any luck I'll soon drop that as well. -
The topic is pretty self-explanatory. What are your views about adding "Aiwass" (or anything for that matter) in between the Atah and Malkuth in the Qabalistic Cross? I presume the added word/phrase is centered around the heart based on various forms of the LBRP/LIRP that I've seen online (I presume orders have their own unpublished variants but I obviously can't get knowledge of them at this time
).I personally started vibrating Aiwass (as a stand-in for the HGA) because it seemed to add subtle but distinct feeling of power/effectiveness to the ritual.
Does anyone vibrate anything else there, or want to talk about experiences with vibrating Aiwass? I've thought of vibrating Adonai or RHK there but haven't experimented yet.
A secondary question you may address if you feel like it, while I'm here (I feel bad making so many LBRP topics when there are already tons of them, and I have indeed read 95% of them): The hexagram at the end of the ritual - how do you visualize it? The only way I've found that actually works spontaneously is a single hexagram floating above my head, bottom point nearly touching the crown of my head (and even that feels pretty forced compared to, say, the pentagrams or the evocation of the Archangels). I've tried a pair of hexagrams as a floor and ceiling, one within me, one on my chest, etc, and they all feel fairly forced. Anyone have suggestions based on personal experience?
Care Fraters or Sorors
Do what thou wilt shall be the whole of the LawIt seems I had certainly misinterpreted that particular passage indeed. Thank you for the clarification. Might I ask you to cite where Crowley specifically instructs the use of Aiwass? I would like to read over the work.
I guess I was mislead to be under the understanding that one had to be quite advanced to know what it is to identify with a God in worship for so long as to attain those Initiations from the identification. In other words perhaps I wasn't mislead, but it is work for another time and a higher grade...or perhaps mislead is the right word!
Love is the law, love under will
Fraternally,
Frater P. -
The topic is pretty self-explanatory. What are your views about adding "Aiwass" (or anything for that matter) in between the Atah and Malkuth in the Qabalistic Cross? I presume the added word/phrase is centered around the heart based on various forms of the LBRP/LIRP that I've seen online (I presume orders have their own unpublished variants but I obviously can't get knowledge of them at this time
).I personally started vibrating Aiwass (as a stand-in for the HGA) because it seemed to add subtle but distinct feeling of power/effectiveness to the ritual.
Does anyone vibrate anything else there, or want to talk about experiences with vibrating Aiwass? I've thought of vibrating Adonai or RHK there but haven't experimented yet.
A secondary question you may address if you feel like it, while I'm here (I feel bad making so many LBRP topics when there are already tons of them, and I have indeed read 95% of them): The hexagram at the end of the ritual - how do you visualize it? The only way I've found that actually works spontaneously is a single hexagram floating above my head, bottom point nearly touching the crown of my head (and even that feels pretty forced compared to, say, the pentagrams or the evocation of the Archangels). I've tried a pair of hexagrams as a floor and ceiling, one within me, one on my chest, etc, and they all feel fairly forced. Anyone have suggestions based on personal experience?
@Frater Pramudita said
"It seems I had certainly misinterpreted that particular passage indeed. Thank you for the clarification. Might I ask you to cite where Crowley specifically instructs the use of Aiwass? I would like to read over the work."
It was in a private letter sent to O.T.O. members in the late '30s or early '40s. It has been reproduced many places (probably in a thread on this forum) but, in any case, you can get it in In the Continuum Vol. I, No. I (see <!-- w --><a class="postlink" href="http://www.thelema.org">www.thelema.org</a><!-- w -->).
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The topic is pretty self-explanatory. What are your views about adding "Aiwass" (or anything for that matter) in between the Atah and Malkuth in the Qabalistic Cross? I presume the added word/phrase is centered around the heart based on various forms of the LBRP/LIRP that I've seen online (I presume orders have their own unpublished variants but I obviously can't get knowledge of them at this time
).I personally started vibrating Aiwass (as a stand-in for the HGA) because it seemed to add subtle but distinct feeling of power/effectiveness to the ritual.
Does anyone vibrate anything else there, or want to talk about experiences with vibrating Aiwass? I've thought of vibrating Adonai or RHK there but haven't experimented yet.
A secondary question you may address if you feel like it, while I'm here (I feel bad making so many LBRP topics when there are already tons of them, and I have indeed read 95% of them): The hexagram at the end of the ritual - how do you visualize it? The only way I've found that actually works spontaneously is a single hexagram floating above my head, bottom point nearly touching the crown of my head (and even that feels pretty forced compared to, say, the pentagrams or the evocation of the Archangels). I've tried a pair of hexagrams as a floor and ceiling, one within me, one on my chest, etc, and they all feel fairly forced. Anyone have suggestions based on personal experience?
Do what thou wilt shall be the whole of the Law
Another question then, now that I have again had some time to think about this. To use Aiwass then, would it be pre-supposed that you have attained a certain level of advancement, so as you truly know what it is to identify with a God in worship for so long as to attain those Initiations
from the identification?Love is the law, love under will
Fraternally,
Frater P~ -
The topic is pretty self-explanatory. What are your views about adding "Aiwass" (or anything for that matter) in between the Atah and Malkuth in the Qabalistic Cross? I presume the added word/phrase is centered around the heart based on various forms of the LBRP/LIRP that I've seen online (I presume orders have their own unpublished variants but I obviously can't get knowledge of them at this time
).I personally started vibrating Aiwass (as a stand-in for the HGA) because it seemed to add subtle but distinct feeling of power/effectiveness to the ritual.
Does anyone vibrate anything else there, or want to talk about experiences with vibrating Aiwass? I've thought of vibrating Adonai or RHK there but haven't experimented yet.
A secondary question you may address if you feel like it, while I'm here (I feel bad making so many LBRP topics when there are already tons of them, and I have indeed read 95% of them): The hexagram at the end of the ritual - how do you visualize it? The only way I've found that actually works spontaneously is a single hexagram floating above my head, bottom point nearly touching the crown of my head (and even that feels pretty forced compared to, say, the pentagrams or the evocation of the Archangels). I've tried a pair of hexagrams as a floor and ceiling, one within me, one on my chest, etc, and they all feel fairly forced. Anyone have suggestions based on personal experience?
@Frater Pramudita said
"Another question then, now that I have again had some time to think about this. To use Aiwass then, would it be pre-supposed that you have attained a certain level of advancement, so as you truly know what it is to identify with a God in worship for so long as to attain those Initiations
from the identification?"No. Quite the opposite. It is Crowley's universal instruction for the ritual provided one does not yet know the name of one's own HGA. It doesn't anticipate a priori attainment any more than vibrating the name Eheieh does.
Besides, you are not "identifying with a God in worship" etc. That's not what that step of the ritual is about.
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The topic is pretty self-explanatory. What are your views about adding "Aiwass" (or anything for that matter) in between the Atah and Malkuth in the Qabalistic Cross? I presume the added word/phrase is centered around the heart based on various forms of the LBRP/LIRP that I've seen online (I presume orders have their own unpublished variants but I obviously can't get knowledge of them at this time
).I personally started vibrating Aiwass (as a stand-in for the HGA) because it seemed to add subtle but distinct feeling of power/effectiveness to the ritual.
Does anyone vibrate anything else there, or want to talk about experiences with vibrating Aiwass? I've thought of vibrating Adonai or RHK there but haven't experimented yet.
A secondary question you may address if you feel like it, while I'm here (I feel bad making so many LBRP topics when there are already tons of them, and I have indeed read 95% of them): The hexagram at the end of the ritual - how do you visualize it? The only way I've found that actually works spontaneously is a single hexagram floating above my head, bottom point nearly touching the crown of my head (and even that feels pretty forced compared to, say, the pentagrams or the evocation of the Archangels). I've tried a pair of hexagrams as a floor and ceiling, one within me, one on my chest, etc, and they all feel fairly forced. Anyone have suggestions based on personal experience?
I just re-read about this in Magick ABA. In the appendix and notes, I think on the discussion of the LBRP, there is some information about how Aiwass may have been used at Cefalu, and that one of the CA OTO lodges instructed their initiates to use it etc. etc.
Personally, at this time I prefer not to use it because it interferes with perfect simplicity of the sentence one is intoning. The HGA is Atah (or Eheh) at the crown, and I bring or invite that energy down as low as I can to Malkuth. I do not usually touch my groin, but point to and visualise my feet. (I do not actually point to my feet, but imagine the hilt of a sword or spear touching my feet or the ground I am standing on.) I do not want to energise the sexual seat at this time, but rather include my whole being. Also, the feet are considered unclean and insulting in Middle Eastern culture, and so including the feet in the ritual confirms and sanctifies ALL of YHWH's creation, even the low and "unclean".
I don't think there is anything wrong with adding Aiwass or another name there, especially if one is concsiously in union with the HGA, but then I would think the English sentence as, "For thine (my Lord and Angel), who is [NAME] or who is called [NAME], is the Kingdom, Power, and Glory unto the ages etc." Theoretically, I suppose one could add Yesod and the other Sephirah as well, but then it's not as simple and clean.
I tried Jim's experiment and it was a little like de ja vu; I think I have done this before. When I imagined it in the LBRP, my experience wasn't so much a feeling of union, but rather of expansion. That was for the Pentagrams, but when I added the Hexagrams (traditional) above and below me (the "box" described in Magick ABA) I get a sensation of infinite high and infinite low (Nuit and Hadit if you will). It feels like a vacuum, an elevator shaft and I feel very large (or small, in certain cases). So perhaps one could say that the horizontal plain is the perfectly equilibrated manifest something, and the vertical plane is the perfect un-manifest nothing. That may not be the best description, but the feeling I get is one of expansion, power, solidness, protection, contrasted with a feeling of dissolution, either in Heavenly blissful rapture, or Hellish eternal torture (which is the nature of dissolution, the Abyss etc. depending on the perfection of the Adept (or the Initiate, like Phaeton, who went too far, too high, too fast!)
The angels, I visualise as helpers, watchers and protectors, who help to hold and bear one up in moments of great difficulty.
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The topic is pretty self-explanatory. What are your views about adding "Aiwass" (or anything for that matter) in between the Atah and Malkuth in the Qabalistic Cross? I presume the added word/phrase is centered around the heart based on various forms of the LBRP/LIRP that I've seen online (I presume orders have their own unpublished variants but I obviously can't get knowledge of them at this time
).I personally started vibrating Aiwass (as a stand-in for the HGA) because it seemed to add subtle but distinct feeling of power/effectiveness to the ritual.
Does anyone vibrate anything else there, or want to talk about experiences with vibrating Aiwass? I've thought of vibrating Adonai or RHK there but haven't experimented yet.
A secondary question you may address if you feel like it, while I'm here (I feel bad making so many LBRP topics when there are already tons of them, and I have indeed read 95% of them): The hexagram at the end of the ritual - how do you visualize it? The only way I've found that actually works spontaneously is a single hexagram floating above my head, bottom point nearly touching the crown of my head (and even that feels pretty forced compared to, say, the pentagrams or the evocation of the Archangels). I've tried a pair of hexagrams as a floor and ceiling, one within me, one on my chest, etc, and they all feel fairly forced. Anyone have suggestions based on personal experience?
I've only been practicing Magick since about late March of this year, and even then it's only been on-and-off based on my needs; the only period during which I consistently performed the LBRP and LIRP was during a period of 7 weeks during the summer.
Needless to say, I have a lot less experience than you, Iugum
I personally feel that adding Aiwass to the QC opens up my heart center/chakra (Tiphareth in Yetzirah or Assiah or something? I dunno). There is this feeling of openness that I can't get any other way, and I feel like it adds a subtle energy to the ritual that makes a noticeable difference.
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The topic is pretty self-explanatory. What are your views about adding "Aiwass" (or anything for that matter) in between the Atah and Malkuth in the Qabalistic Cross? I presume the added word/phrase is centered around the heart based on various forms of the LBRP/LIRP that I've seen online (I presume orders have their own unpublished variants but I obviously can't get knowledge of them at this time
).I personally started vibrating Aiwass (as a stand-in for the HGA) because it seemed to add subtle but distinct feeling of power/effectiveness to the ritual.
Does anyone vibrate anything else there, or want to talk about experiences with vibrating Aiwass? I've thought of vibrating Adonai or RHK there but haven't experimented yet.
A secondary question you may address if you feel like it, while I'm here (I feel bad making so many LBRP topics when there are already tons of them, and I have indeed read 95% of them): The hexagram at the end of the ritual - how do you visualize it? The only way I've found that actually works spontaneously is a single hexagram floating above my head, bottom point nearly touching the crown of my head (and even that feels pretty forced compared to, say, the pentagrams or the evocation of the Archangels). I've tried a pair of hexagrams as a floor and ceiling, one within me, one on my chest, etc, and they all feel fairly forced. Anyone have suggestions based on personal experience?
@Iugum said
"I've probably just had more practice at failing, really."
"Success in life is the ability to go from one failure to another with no loss of enthusiasm." - Winston Churchill