Ye shall gather store of women .
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gerry 456T
The reason that this female has no opinions is because I am not Thelemic,
don't know what you are really asking, and didn't like the last exchange I had with you.
(No offense, JAE, and everybody else.)
In L.V.X.,
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@Chris Hanlon said
"The reason that this female has no opinions is because I am not Thelemic, don't know what you are really asking, and didn't like the last exchange I had with you."
The (admittedly vaguely stated) question refers to verse 61 of chapter 1 of The Book of the Law, wherein Nuit, the Goddess of Infinite Space, is represented as saying the following:
"But to love me is better than all things: if under the night-stars in the desert thou presently burnest mine incense before me, invoking me with a pure heart, and the Serpent flame therein, thou shalt come a little to lie in my bosom. For one kiss wilt thou then be willing to give all; but whoso gives one particle of dust shall lose all in that hour. Ye shall gather goods and store of women and spices; ye shall wear rich jewels; ye shall exceed the nations of the earth in splendour & pride; but always in the love of me, and so shall ye come to my joy. I charge you earnestly to come before me in a single robe, and covered with a rich headdress. I love you! I yearn to you! Pale or purple, veiled or voluptuous, I who am all pleasure and purple, and drunkenness of the innermost sense, desire you. Put on the wings, and arouse the coiled splendour within you: come unto me!"
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Hi JAE,
Crowley was a great poet. His prose sings like music, like an aria.
The goods are the riches and valuables that a woman is in charge of for the household. The head of the house, the châtelain, had the keys for all the storage of valuables of food and other things. Just another allusion to gviing up all for the kiss of Nuit, or the experience of the divine.
Think that's it?
In L.V.X.,
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@sethur said
"One of the problems with Liber Al is knowing when it is addressed to everyone and when just to Crowley. In this case I think it's addressed to Crowley and should be seen as prophecy, accurate as always."
Except in this case, it says "ye", which is plural; passages addressed to the Prophet use the singular "thou". As a rule -- the notable exception is "Do what thou wilt" -- passages that use "thou" and "thee" are to be read as addressed to the Prophet. Passages with "ye" and "you" are either addressed to the Prophet and his Bride, or to all Thelemites ("ye, o my people"), or to people in general.Of course everything in CCXX has deeper meanings, and there are levels of interpretation where you may take everything as personally addressed to you. But to get to the depths you have to start at the surface, and it helps to have an appreciation of the principles of classical (Early Modern English) grammar as Crowley knew it.
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As a woman, I am left wondering if I am to read this as gather up a bunch of girlfriends, OR should I interpret it as I should gather up a store of men?
I never gave it much thought.
I did originally read it as stocking a larder, or pantry kind of thought
But if I read it wrong and need to gather up a bunch of fellows, ( or fellas) well thats ok too. -
@sethur said
"One of the problems with Liber Al is knowing when it is addressed to everyone and when just to Crowley. In this case I think it's addressed to Crowley and should be seen as prophecy, accurate as always."
Possibly getting a little controversial here (and maybe off-topic somewhat), but IMO none of it applies only for Crowley. I am the prophet of my Aeon, and Beast for my Babalon. The entirety of Liber AL is all about the various stages of the development of this star in this universe. I'll not understand certain portions at certain times because those parts aren't revelationary to my development at that juncture in time and space.
Of course, in your universe, I'm assuming the same thing applies.
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@Chris Hanlon said
"Hi JAE,
Crowley was a great poet. His prose sings like music, like an aria.
The goods are the riches and valuables that a woman is in charge of for the household. The head of the house, the châtelain, had the keys for all the storage of valuables of food and other things. Just another allusion to gviing up all for the kiss of Nuit, or the experience of the divine.
Think that's it?
In L.V.X.,
chrys333"Y'know, I think that's probably the best interpretation of that verse I've seen. Bravo!
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@Seraph said
"Possibly getting a little controversial here (and maybe off-topic somewhat), but IMO none of it applies only for Crowley. I am the prophet of my Aeon, and Beast for my Babalon. The entirety of Liber AL is all about the various stages of the development of this star in this universe. I'll not understand certain portions at certain times because those parts aren't revelationary to my development at that juncture in time and space.
Of course, in your universe, I'm assuming the same thing applies."
Absolutely.
Namaste.
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It means for a woman that she ought to make sure that the right man stocks her up and that under his umbrella she can achieve her Feminine WILL, which is undoubtedly to use her "charms" to manipulate this man into providing her with base material comforts the sort of shallow pointless crap that women like. Shiny stones, fancy garments, new shoes etc. To shaw her off and breed from her a son, that is a continuation of his father's achievements, so than she can wallow in her material things and play her stupid little games of blackmail and envy with her sisters.
Men should store up women, because it is a sign that a man is powerful enough to waste his excess on lower planes, on base material nonsense, like females and the crass things they live for.
Also women can be useful for sex magick, I mean even the best quality ink pen needs something to smear itself on, if it expects to manifest visible signs.
Of course there are ritual formula that avoid contamination with the lower planes all together, if one is so inclined, Certain forms of Eucharist for example. Though some of these deal with the 2 of wands, a card that might give some men apprehension.
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You've posted some off the wall stuff before Froclown, but I think this is one of them that takes the cake.
"providing her with base material comforts the sort of shallow pointless crap that women like. Shiny stones, fancy garments, new shoes etc."
Yes, because that's really what all women want. What a crock. If I had a woman like that I'd dump her like a dead weight off of a burning ship yet somehow I'm married...
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By nature women only care about babies, being the center of attention and stirring up drama.
They always want shiny things and things others envy, only because it gives them the attention that they need because they will go into bouts of hysterical Mania cycled with depression if their continuous insecurities are not constantly appeased by a barrage of complements. (which she does not even care if these are sincere complements, she just must hear certain words and phrases constantly) No one is quite sure just why women are so neurotic, but some evidence points to the uterus as the cause, Since it's removal tends to counter the extremes of such behavior at menopause, also filling it with a child seems to be effective, in some cases. (to paraphrase Crowley "Woman will snatch the dog from it's basket or the child from it's crib, to prove the old adage, nature abhors a vacuum") Of course often the baby become yet another accessory to daunt over and show off as a means to get attention and stir up drama.
The female inferiority feeling is triggered especially in the presence of males, and is exasperated to a markedly high degree with the ingestion of alcohol. Her behaviors became the template for what has become known as historic personality disorder, engaging in inappropriate hyper-sexual behavior and making a scene of herself in public, all over the need of attention and compliments to assuage her inferiority. Her main interest in men is not sexual, rather it is that she envy's his power and this envy manifests in her as a desire to destroy that power. (This may come as a Castration desire, but is not always manifest in that physical symbol) It is rather her interest to humiliate him, or better yet to get him to share his secrets so that she might black male him, thus emasculating him, and taking from him the reins of power. (One needs only mention Delila of Biblical fame, but for the extremes of what untempered hysteria can mount up to, let us allude to Medea, who murdered her own children just to make a point about her feelings and how important it is that her vanity be acknowledged)
It is for this reason that Crowley's Advice is that Women be fed on their own food, lies, deception, intrigue and empty compliments.
(Ok have maybe we have had enough misogyny for today)
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Well these things are true.
But only if you reduce a human being to the bare and most basic drives and instincts
If we were purely driven by Sexual instinct.
Men would be power hungry brutish Barbarians, which is true an the most base level of instinct.
But we are social beings. I have put forth what Crowley called "The WILL of her body"
But fortunately we are not Purely unrefined sexual instinct.Also I am basing what I have said here off of my own experiences with several women who are diagnosed Bipolar.
For one case, what I have written is an understatement of the behavior I have observed, not an exaggeration.
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Socrastein on another forum points out, after Froclown was banned from that site, that:
"Froclown was infamous for jumping on the other side of the fence when everyone flocked to the other. I saw a lot of discussions result from Fro's candid use of Devilish advocation, as it were, and many conversations centered around Fro's ability to spark people's interest, passion, and even anger."
Devil's advocate can be useful, but isn't there a time and place when it just becomes wasteful noise, and instead of raising the level of conversation by offering a different point of view, it actually sinks the ship...so to speak?
He's just busting rocks...
sigh
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Wow, froclown, how does that post-Victorian mindset work for your sex life? I have to disagree with your idea of all that women want... I happen to be married to someone who I have never bought jewelry for or anything of any substantial dollar amount for that matter. She pays for all of her own things has her own interests and could probably wipe the floor with you magically and intellectually. You seem to be a full blow misogynist, are you in the closet about your sexuallity or simply trolling this thread? I think you need to get some confidence in your wand. BTW trying out homosexuality can be really fun and enlightening!
