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  • R RegentLynx

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    Yes,I too would like to offer my sincere thanks for this succinct, informative essay. I always assumed Thelema *was the Word which encapsulated The Master Therion's Message for humanity but you end your essay with:

    @Jim Eshelman said

    But the true Word of this present Æon is Abrahadabra, a Word that encodes the Mystery and method of spiritual progress.

    Would you have any source(s) material which elaborates on the The Word Abrahadabra as clearly as the above essay elaborates on "The Eight Magi"? Preferably, an essay, or even a paragraph or two, written by yourself, or I suppose, another more modern interpretation written by other current sources, rather than any referral's to sources written by A.C. Though I love many of AC's writings, it must be admitted, he is not the best at explaining things from a begininning, elementary level. I find your explanations on many subjects much easier to follow and comprehend.

    So on that note, let me offer my sincere thanks for your work in offering this Forum to us. I have found much here that has clarified many lingering questions I have had after reading Crowley's source material.

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    Avshalom Binyamin
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    Gee, thanks! 😀

    (yes, I come from the generation of kids taught that 2 was the first prime... although I never got advanced enough in math to be able to argue for the inclusion or exclusion of 1)

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    • R RegentLynx

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      Yes,I too would like to offer my sincere thanks for this succinct, informative essay. I always assumed Thelema *was the Word which encapsulated The Master Therion's Message for humanity but you end your essay with:

      @Jim Eshelman said

      But the true Word of this present Æon is Abrahadabra, a Word that encodes the Mystery and method of spiritual progress.

      Would you have any source(s) material which elaborates on the The Word Abrahadabra as clearly as the above essay elaborates on "The Eight Magi"? Preferably, an essay, or even a paragraph or two, written by yourself, or I suppose, another more modern interpretation written by other current sources, rather than any referral's to sources written by A.C. Though I love many of AC's writings, it must be admitted, he is not the best at explaining things from a begininning, elementary level. I find your explanations on many subjects much easier to follow and comprehend.

      So on that note, let me offer my sincere thanks for your work in offering this Forum to us. I have found much here that has clarified many lingering questions I have had after reading Crowley's source material.

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      Avshalom Binyamin
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      Oh, and another (with a couple "IF"s):

      If (1) we treat the first line using arabic/hebrew gematria and (2) the "Y" at the end of the first line is really a "V" (which is a bit of a push, but not entirely impossible when one looks at the manuscript*), then:

      ABK = aleph-beyt-kaph = 1+2+20 = 23
      aLʛMOR = aleph-lamed-qoph-mem-vav-resh = 1+30+100+40+6+200 = 377
      3V = 3 (times) vav = 3*6 = 18

      23+377+18=418

      Of course, even more than the second line, it's more than a bit of a stretch...

      lib.oto-usa.org/libri/liber0031.html?num=42

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      • R RegentLynx

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        Yes,I too would like to offer my sincere thanks for this succinct, informative essay. I always assumed Thelema *was the Word which encapsulated The Master Therion's Message for humanity but you end your essay with:

        @Jim Eshelman said

        But the true Word of this present Æon is Abrahadabra, a Word that encodes the Mystery and method of spiritual progress.

        Would you have any source(s) material which elaborates on the The Word Abrahadabra as clearly as the above essay elaborates on "The Eight Magi"? Preferably, an essay, or even a paragraph or two, written by yourself, or I suppose, another more modern interpretation written by other current sources, rather than any referral's to sources written by A.C. Though I love many of AC's writings, it must be admitted, he is not the best at explaining things from a begininning, elementary level. I find your explanations on many subjects much easier to follow and comprehend.

        So on that note, let me offer my sincere thanks for your work in offering this Forum to us. I have found much here that has clarified many lingering questions I have had after reading Crowley's source material.

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        Jim Eshelman
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        You're treating a G as a Qoph?

        (Isn't that the wrong 'Moon'? <g>)

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        • R RegentLynx

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          Yes,I too would like to offer my sincere thanks for this succinct, informative essay. I always assumed Thelema *was the Word which encapsulated The Master Therion's Message for humanity but you end your essay with:

          @Jim Eshelman said

          But the true Word of this present Æon is Abrahadabra, a Word that encodes the Mystery and method of spiritual progress.

          Would you have any source(s) material which elaborates on the The Word Abrahadabra as clearly as the above essay elaborates on "The Eight Magi"? Preferably, an essay, or even a paragraph or two, written by yourself, or I suppose, another more modern interpretation written by other current sources, rather than any referral's to sources written by A.C. Though I love many of AC's writings, it must be admitted, he is not the best at explaining things from a begininning, elementary level. I find your explanations on many subjects much easier to follow and comprehend.

          So on that note, let me offer my sincere thanks for your work in offering this Forum to us. I have found much here that has clarified many lingering questions I have had after reading Crowley's source material.

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          Avshalom Binyamin
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          In the manuscript, the "G" has a very clear line on the top section, like ʛ

          That's IPA for a "voiced uvular implosive", which sounds like a very good description of the arabic pronunciation of "qoph" (additionally, in many areas "qoph" is transiliterated as "g" or "gh").

          EDIT: My rationale was also based on the previous verse, which says to "*listen *to the numbers + the words"" (emphasis added).

          But, I also acknowledge that between the 'qoph' and the "v/y/gamma" at the end of the first line, it's all quite a stretch.

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          • R RegentLynx

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            Yes,I too would like to offer my sincere thanks for this succinct, informative essay. I always assumed Thelema *was the Word which encapsulated The Master Therion's Message for humanity but you end your essay with:

            @Jim Eshelman said

            But the true Word of this present Æon is Abrahadabra, a Word that encodes the Mystery and method of spiritual progress.

            Would you have any source(s) material which elaborates on the The Word Abrahadabra as clearly as the above essay elaborates on "The Eight Magi"? Preferably, an essay, or even a paragraph or two, written by yourself, or I suppose, another more modern interpretation written by other current sources, rather than any referral's to sources written by A.C. Though I love many of AC's writings, it must be admitted, he is not the best at explaining things from a begininning, elementary level. I find your explanations on many subjects much easier to follow and comprehend.

            So on that note, let me offer my sincere thanks for your work in offering this Forum to us. I have found much here that has clarified many lingering questions I have had after reading Crowley's source material.

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            gmugmble
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            Maybe this is the thread to mention a half-baked idea I had a while back. The BRAHADABR part of ABRAHADABRA seems a lot like Hebrew barah ha-dabar, "the word creates".

            (Oh, and congratulations for the second mention of the IPA in the forum. But the symbol for the velar implosive as shown in Pullum and Ladusaw's Phonetic Symbol Guide doesn't look at all like the G in the manuscript.)

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            • R RegentLynx

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              Yes,I too would like to offer my sincere thanks for this succinct, informative essay. I always assumed Thelema *was the Word which encapsulated The Master Therion's Message for humanity but you end your essay with:

              @Jim Eshelman said

              But the true Word of this present Æon is Abrahadabra, a Word that encodes the Mystery and method of spiritual progress.

              Would you have any source(s) material which elaborates on the The Word Abrahadabra as clearly as the above essay elaborates on "The Eight Magi"? Preferably, an essay, or even a paragraph or two, written by yourself, or I suppose, another more modern interpretation written by other current sources, rather than any referral's to sources written by A.C. Though I love many of AC's writings, it must be admitted, he is not the best at explaining things from a begininning, elementary level. I find your explanations on many subjects much easier to follow and comprehend.

              So on that note, let me offer my sincere thanks for your work in offering this Forum to us. I have found much here that has clarified many lingering questions I have had after reading Crowley's source material.

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              Jim Eshelman
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              @gmugmble said

              "Maybe this is the thread to mention a half-baked idea I had a while back. The BRAHADABR part of ABRAHADABRA seems a lot like Hebrew barah ha-dabar, "the word creates""

              Yes... but add the Aleph back and it puts the first word into the future tense also: Aberah h'adevara means, "I shall create as I shall speak."

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              • R RegentLynx

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                Yes,I too would like to offer my sincere thanks for this succinct, informative essay. I always assumed Thelema *was the Word which encapsulated The Master Therion's Message for humanity but you end your essay with:

                @Jim Eshelman said

                But the true Word of this present Æon is Abrahadabra, a Word that encodes the Mystery and method of spiritual progress.

                Would you have any source(s) material which elaborates on the The Word Abrahadabra as clearly as the above essay elaborates on "The Eight Magi"? Preferably, an essay, or even a paragraph or two, written by yourself, or I suppose, another more modern interpretation written by other current sources, rather than any referral's to sources written by A.C. Though I love many of AC's writings, it must be admitted, he is not the best at explaining things from a begininning, elementary level. I find your explanations on many subjects much easier to follow and comprehend.

                So on that note, let me offer my sincere thanks for your work in offering this Forum to us. I have found much here that has clarified many lingering questions I have had after reading Crowley's source material.

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                "Yes... but add the Aleph back and it puts the first word into the future tense also: Aberah h'adevara means, "I shall create as I shall speak.""

                Now, it makes perfect sense! 😀

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                • R RegentLynx

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                  Yes,I too would like to offer my sincere thanks for this succinct, informative essay. I always assumed Thelema *was the Word which encapsulated The Master Therion's Message for humanity but you end your essay with:

                  @Jim Eshelman said

                  But the true Word of this present Æon is Abrahadabra, a Word that encodes the Mystery and method of spiritual progress.

                  Would you have any source(s) material which elaborates on the The Word Abrahadabra as clearly as the above essay elaborates on "The Eight Magi"? Preferably, an essay, or even a paragraph or two, written by yourself, or I suppose, another more modern interpretation written by other current sources, rather than any referral's to sources written by A.C. Though I love many of AC's writings, it must be admitted, he is not the best at explaining things from a begininning, elementary level. I find your explanations on many subjects much easier to follow and comprehend.

                  So on that note, let me offer my sincere thanks for your work in offering this Forum to us. I have found much here that has clarified many lingering questions I have had after reading Crowley's source material.

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                  Frater Pramudita
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                  I wonder if Pete Carroll derived his 8 Magicks from the aforementioned....

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                  • R RegentLynx

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                    Yes,I too would like to offer my sincere thanks for this succinct, informative essay. I always assumed Thelema *was the Word which encapsulated The Master Therion's Message for humanity but you end your essay with:

                    @Jim Eshelman said

                    But the true Word of this present Æon is Abrahadabra, a Word that encodes the Mystery and method of spiritual progress.

                    Would you have any source(s) material which elaborates on the The Word Abrahadabra as clearly as the above essay elaborates on "The Eight Magi"? Preferably, an essay, or even a paragraph or two, written by yourself, or I suppose, another more modern interpretation written by other current sources, rather than any referral's to sources written by A.C. Though I love many of AC's writings, it must be admitted, he is not the best at explaining things from a begininning, elementary level. I find your explanations on many subjects much easier to follow and comprehend.

                    So on that note, let me offer my sincere thanks for your work in offering this Forum to us. I have found much here that has clarified many lingering questions I have had after reading Crowley's source material.

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                    Dhakhair
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                    @AvshalomBinyamin said

                    "In the manuscript, the "G" has a very clear line on the top section, like ʛ

                    That's IPA for a "voiced uvular implosive", which sounds like a very good description of the arabic pronunciation of "qoph" (additionally, in many areas "qoph" is transiliterated as "g" or "gh").

                    EDIT: My rationale was also based on the previous verse, which says to "*listen *to the numbers + the words"" (emphasis added).

                    But, I also acknowledge that between the 'qoph' and the "v/y/gamma" at the end of the first line, it's all quite a stretch."

                    You acknowledge it's a stretch and I thought I would add that at no time was the articulation of this phoneme 'implosive' in any Semitic language. The theoretical historical pronunciation in Arabic was probably a voiced uvular plosive, and the g/gh transcription you refer to is sadly just a regular, boring old voiced velar plosive.

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                    • R RegentLynx

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                      Yes,I too would like to offer my sincere thanks for this succinct, informative essay. I always assumed Thelema *was the Word which encapsulated The Master Therion's Message for humanity but you end your essay with:

                      @Jim Eshelman said

                      But the true Word of this present Æon is Abrahadabra, a Word that encodes the Mystery and method of spiritual progress.

                      Would you have any source(s) material which elaborates on the The Word Abrahadabra as clearly as the above essay elaborates on "The Eight Magi"? Preferably, an essay, or even a paragraph or two, written by yourself, or I suppose, another more modern interpretation written by other current sources, rather than any referral's to sources written by A.C. Though I love many of AC's writings, it must be admitted, he is not the best at explaining things from a begininning, elementary level. I find your explanations on many subjects much easier to follow and comprehend.

                      So on that note, let me offer my sincere thanks for your work in offering this Forum to us. I have found much here that has clarified many lingering questions I have had after reading Crowley's source material.

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                      Avshalom Binyamin
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                      @Dhakhair said

                      "You acknowledge it's a stretch and I thought I would add that at no time was the articulation of this phoneme 'implosive' in any Semitic language. The theoretical historical pronunciation in Arabic was probably a voiced uvular plosive, and the g/gh transcription you refer to is sadly just a regular, boring old voiced velar plosive."

                      Agreed on both counts.

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                      • R RegentLynx

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                        Yes,I too would like to offer my sincere thanks for this succinct, informative essay. I always assumed Thelema *was the Word which encapsulated The Master Therion's Message for humanity but you end your essay with:

                        @Jim Eshelman said

                        But the true Word of this present Æon is Abrahadabra, a Word that encodes the Mystery and method of spiritual progress.

                        Would you have any source(s) material which elaborates on the The Word Abrahadabra as clearly as the above essay elaborates on "The Eight Magi"? Preferably, an essay, or even a paragraph or two, written by yourself, or I suppose, another more modern interpretation written by other current sources, rather than any referral's to sources written by A.C. Though I love many of AC's writings, it must be admitted, he is not the best at explaining things from a begininning, elementary level. I find your explanations on many subjects much easier to follow and comprehend.

                        So on that note, let me offer my sincere thanks for your work in offering this Forum to us. I have found much here that has clarified many lingering questions I have had after reading Crowley's source material.

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                        Avshalom Binyamin
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                        Another, simpler working of the top line could be (although I am sure others have worked this out before):

                        4638ABK24aLGMOR3Y

                        46, 38, and 24 each stand for "X" (as a clue to the second row).

                        ABK = aleph-beth-kaph = 1+2+20 = 23
                        alGMOR = aleph-lamed-gimel-mem-vav-resh = 1+30+3+40+6+200 = 280
                        3Y = 3 x 10 = 30

                        23+280+30 = 333

                        Of course, as gimel, it could no longer refer to "the moon". Gamor could mean "perfected" in Hebrew or "united" in Arabic. And "Abk", "your father".

                        But, since it's not 418, it's not really on-topic anymore...

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                        • R RegentLynx

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                          Yes,I too would like to offer my sincere thanks for this succinct, informative essay. I always assumed Thelema *was the Word which encapsulated The Master Therion's Message for humanity but you end your essay with:

                          @Jim Eshelman said

                          But the true Word of this present Æon is Abrahadabra, a Word that encodes the Mystery and method of spiritual progress.

                          Would you have any source(s) material which elaborates on the The Word Abrahadabra as clearly as the above essay elaborates on "The Eight Magi"? Preferably, an essay, or even a paragraph or two, written by yourself, or I suppose, another more modern interpretation written by other current sources, rather than any referral's to sources written by A.C. Though I love many of AC's writings, it must be admitted, he is not the best at explaining things from a begininning, elementary level. I find your explanations on many subjects much easier to follow and comprehend.

                          So on that note, let me offer my sincere thanks for your work in offering this Forum to us. I have found much here that has clarified many lingering questions I have had after reading Crowley's source material.

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                          @AvshalomBinyamin said

                          "Another, simpler working of the top line could be (although I am sure others have worked this out before):

                          4638ABK24aLGMOR3Y

                          46, 38, and 24 each stand for "X" (as a clue to the second row).

                          ABK = aleph-beth-kaph = 1+2+20 = 23
                          alGMOR = aleph-lamed-gimel-mem-vav-resh = 1+30+3+40+6+200 = 280
                          3Y = 3 x 10 = 30

                          23+280+30 = 333

                          Of course, as gimel, it could no longer refer to "the moon". Gamor could mean "perfected" in Hebrew or "united" in Arabic. And "Abk", "your father".

                          But, since it's not 418, it's not really on-topic anymore..."

                          Just curious to hear a perspective: do you choose vav vs. ayin for Latin "O" depending on the result? Would you mix them in a single calculation, i.e., would you ever give O the value 70 in one place and 6 in another?

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                          • R RegentLynx

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                            Yes,I too would like to offer my sincere thanks for this succinct, informative essay. I always assumed Thelema *was the Word which encapsulated The Master Therion's Message for humanity but you end your essay with:

                            @Jim Eshelman said

                            But the true Word of this present Æon is Abrahadabra, a Word that encodes the Mystery and method of spiritual progress.

                            Would you have any source(s) material which elaborates on the The Word Abrahadabra as clearly as the above essay elaborates on "The Eight Magi"? Preferably, an essay, or even a paragraph or two, written by yourself, or I suppose, another more modern interpretation written by other current sources, rather than any referral's to sources written by A.C. Though I love many of AC's writings, it must be admitted, he is not the best at explaining things from a begininning, elementary level. I find your explanations on many subjects much easier to follow and comprehend.

                            So on that note, let me offer my sincere thanks for your work in offering this Forum to us. I have found much here that has clarified many lingering questions I have had after reading Crowley's source material.

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                            Avshalom Binyamin
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                            My personal perspective would be phonetic based, and my Hebrew pronunciation is (probably overly) influenced by Arabic. So O=ayin doesn't generally compute for me. I chose vav, because it seemed like a logical semitic construction to me. But I have no intellectual issue with an argument that uses O=ayin.

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                            • R RegentLynx

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                              Yes,I too would like to offer my sincere thanks for this succinct, informative essay. I always assumed Thelema *was the Word which encapsulated The Master Therion's Message for humanity but you end your essay with:

                              @Jim Eshelman said

                              But the true Word of this present Æon is Abrahadabra, a Word that encodes the Mystery and method of spiritual progress.

                              Would you have any source(s) material which elaborates on the The Word Abrahadabra as clearly as the above essay elaborates on "The Eight Magi"? Preferably, an essay, or even a paragraph or two, written by yourself, or I suppose, another more modern interpretation written by other current sources, rather than any referral's to sources written by A.C. Though I love many of AC's writings, it must be admitted, he is not the best at explaining things from a begininning, elementary level. I find your explanations on many subjects much easier to follow and comprehend.

                              So on that note, let me offer my sincere thanks for your work in offering this Forum to us. I have found much here that has clarified many lingering questions I have had after reading Crowley's source material.

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                              Jim Eshelman
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                              @AvshalomBinyamin said

                              "My personal perspective would be phonetic based, and my Hebrew pronunciation is (probably overly) influenced by Arabic. So O=ayin doesn't generally compute for me. I chose vav, because it seemed like a logical semitic construction to me. But I have no intellectual issue with an argument that uses O=ayin."

                              The arguement isn't so much that A'ayin=O as that A'ayin stands in the same place in the Hebrew alphabet as O stands in descendant alphabets. Also, the oldest (primitive) form of A'ayin actually was an O shape (a circle, presumably for "eye").

                              Hence the frequent Qabalistic substitution. Cf. for example the Greek Omicron = 70.

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                                (The following question and it's immediate answer followed on the thread <!-- l --><a class="postlink-local" href="http://heruraha.net/viewtopic.php?f=4&amp;t=5858&amp;start=0">viewtopic.php?f=4&t=5858&start=0</a><!-- l --> - Unfortunately, this then led to a total thread-derailment, so I've cut the following to its own topic. - JAE)

                                Yes,I too would like to offer my sincere thanks for this succinct, informative essay. I always assumed Thelema *was the Word which encapsulated The Master Therion's Message for humanity but you end your essay with:

                                @Jim Eshelman said

                                But the true Word of this present Æon is Abrahadabra, a Word that encodes the Mystery and method of spiritual progress.

                                Would you have any source(s) material which elaborates on the The Word Abrahadabra as clearly as the above essay elaborates on "The Eight Magi"? Preferably, an essay, or even a paragraph or two, written by yourself, or I suppose, another more modern interpretation written by other current sources, rather than any referral's to sources written by A.C. Though I love many of AC's writings, it must be admitted, he is not the best at explaining things from a begininning, elementary level. I find your explanations on many subjects much easier to follow and comprehend.

                                So on that note, let me offer my sincere thanks for your work in offering this Forum to us. I have found much here that has clarified many lingering questions I have had after reading Crowley's source material.

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                                Thanks! that makes sense.

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                                  (The following question and it's immediate answer followed on the thread <!-- l --><a class="postlink-local" href="http://heruraha.net/viewtopic.php?f=4&amp;t=5858&amp;start=0">viewtopic.php?f=4&t=5858&start=0</a><!-- l --> - Unfortunately, this then led to a total thread-derailment, so I've cut the following to its own topic. - JAE)

                                  Yes,I too would like to offer my sincere thanks for this succinct, informative essay. I always assumed Thelema *was the Word which encapsulated The Master Therion's Message for humanity but you end your essay with:

                                  @Jim Eshelman said

                                  But the true Word of this present Æon is Abrahadabra, a Word that encodes the Mystery and method of spiritual progress.

                                  Would you have any source(s) material which elaborates on the The Word Abrahadabra as clearly as the above essay elaborates on "The Eight Magi"? Preferably, an essay, or even a paragraph or two, written by yourself, or I suppose, another more modern interpretation written by other current sources, rather than any referral's to sources written by A.C. Though I love many of AC's writings, it must be admitted, he is not the best at explaining things from a begininning, elementary level. I find your explanations on many subjects much easier to follow and comprehend.

                                  So on that note, let me offer my sincere thanks for your work in offering this Forum to us. I have found much here that has clarified many lingering questions I have had after reading Crowley's source material.

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                                  Frater MVKDSh
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                                  @AvshalomBinyamin said

                                  "Oh, I got one I came up with a while ago.

                                  The riddle in chapter 2

                                  4638 ABK 24 aLʛMOR 3Y
                                  x 24 89 RPSTOVAL.

                                  4 times 6 is 24. 3 times 8 is 24. "x" is the 24th letter. 89 is the 24th prime number.

                                  So I map the first 26 primes to the English alphabet, and I get...

                                  RPSTOVAL 61+53+67+71+47+70+2+37= 417, and I think I've got nothing, and then I realize that I left off the "period" at the end of RPSTOVAL. If you give it a value of "1", you suddenly get 418.

                                  (although I'm not sure I get the ABK, the aLʛMOR, or the 3Y - although "ABK" sounds like Arabic for "your father" and "aLʛMOR" Arabic for "the moon", also a surah of the Qur'an of the same name)"

                                  Sorry for the long quote but I couldn't get myself to edit this masterpiece;)

                                  I was taught by a very wise person that the answer to this puzzle is 424. He said when I figured it out I would know why:p

                                  Anyway, I haven't figured it out yet:p

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