Nuit.
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I took whatever little bit of information I could gather here combined with my own thoughts and came up with this conclusion. The Qabalah is simply a way to create "Space" for "Consciousness" when I say "Space" i dont mean in the colliquial sense, but int the "Nuit" sense in the sense that everything the magician perceives is simply an aspect of himself/herself. To illustrate when i sit in a room I am "Conscious" of the whole room not just my physical being which can be differetiated from and intellectual "idea" of a room within which I am not actually present or the "memory" of a room of which I am not "perceiving" at present; it seems the facility of "perception" is closely connected with our sense of "sight" but I think this is as much "learned" as opposed to being genetic in that i dont think we are born this way, so how does one seperate our sense of perception from our sense of sight? and henceforth expanded consistently? I think the Qabalah could be one method to achieve this. The enochian system also seems another way, infact any number of geometrical constructions may suffice since ultimately perception can be "infinite" and this is my understanding of "Nuit" Consciousness the geometric construction merely being a tool to achieve this, and the contruction itself is "Hadit" as like Jim said somewhere earlier a Space can either be perceived as "empty" or full of "infinite points".
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Interesting. I've always seen the Qabalah as a language that allows you to organize perceptions - i.e. what we call "Horus" is definitely something, but teaching oneself the Qabalah as it applies to Him would be infinitely helpful in consciously sorting and understanding anything involving Him. The language is a construction, in other words, to house the un-constructed essence it will represent.
I'm not completely following your distinction between "perception" and "sight," though; could you simplify it?
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First of all i must apologize my initial post was written in a little bit of haste, let me rephrase; One use of the Qabalah might be to create "Space" or as a crutch to expand consciousness, not only to reorganize it. Perception is definitely more than just "Sight". for example i might be closing my eyes and still perceive some other presence in close proximity, or the common case of someone staring at us from the back and we turn around. each one of our five senses aid in our perception as well as our sixth sense which percieves people's intent and motives or emotional states. by perception in this sense i mean to include extent of spatial "awareness" which might be a better word, for example when one is in a room one is rarely has the ability to perceive anything not in our direct line of sight or should i say one is rarely "presently aware"of things not directly perceived, like when looking through a window we are conscious of "present" activities that we see. The key is staying in the "present" as opposed to "memory" or "imagination" however "imagination" may be the intial state that gradually with enough will power and determination develops into an awareness that is able to be held in the mind. one possible application would be 360 degree awarness, which hypothetically could be trained for example while driving in a drop-top with the aid of rear view mirrors and peripheral vision, or to be constantly aware of the position of the moon and planets positions in the sky but that seems like an ability that would take a long time to develop, obviously this would require an almost inhuman moment to moment personal effort that over time hopefully would become habbit forming, for me this may ultimately bridge some of the gap between Qabalah and astrology. as far as the construction goes i think the bigger the "Space' it can occupy the more ``essence
it can contain which is my point exactly,so if my mental image of the TOL is as big as the solar system and the distance between sephirah as far as the distance between planets all the better,as such I think if the construction can be conceived more as a geometric progression from one sephiroth to the other as opposed to arithmetic all the better, I hope to elaborate on this point at sometime soon. -
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I have some vague ideas on this, (and a vague understanding of the quabala... i've read up on it (physcial books) and whilst for the most part it makes sense to me, just as much doesnt... i also only have a vague understanding on this..Nuit but that is actually what brought me to TOT...
Do you ever have those kinds of sleep, where you know your eyelids are closed but you can still clearly see the room and all it occupied by?? Sometimes these go off into weird shallow dreams that dont exactly feel like dreams either...
I rarely "see" things that arent meant to be there, but when i do i've coined the phrase "my mind's eye has overridden my proper eyes" lol...
Perception VS sight is an experiment that Master and i are using via bdsm rituals... take away the sight (blindfold) then all you have is perception...
I think our eyes like to think they are the be all end all, but the truth is i feel they just muddy the water at time... knowledge changes perception, and whilst i feel that parts of me i "draw out" (my sacred self..) are parts of me, i feel i definately am "taught" or "led" by something distinctly different....
(For instance my "chat" with Papa Legba could have been a fatherless daughter wanting a fathers advice...shrugs could be...and therefor i "went" with it. Or better yet in my quest to find my Kedeshah, which was inside of me all along... i DONT think that the Kedeshah who taught me to get there was ME... that i feel was some sort of...unifying ...erh...prototype?God?) lol i doubt i am even making much sense so i will leave it to you to sort through my post and see if its touching on your theories??
Btw... remove the senses and your remaining ones will strengthen...
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.Do you ever have those kinds of sleep, where you know your eyelids are closed but you can still clearly see the room and all it occupied by?? Sometimes these go off into weird shallow dreams that dont exactly feel like dreams either....."i often get this when in 'asana" meditating, i usually assume this are my "astral eyes" and that i am perceiving the astral world. The main idea behind this "Nuit" theory is co-extending "Perception" with "Conception" , such that there is less gap between them and such that each informs the other.
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Astral eyes!! i love that... i go through stages of really very shallow sleep (havnthad this in a while i'm pleased to say because i need my sleep with two boys under three and daughter nearing puberty!!)
Have you ever seen Waking Life??? its a whole animated film on astral projection with many many many "random" coversations on it...
Did you know that if you are Lucid dreaming (same as astral??i think so) you wont be able to "see" the time on a clock... its one way of knowing that you are lucid dreaming.. we got the dvd on ebay quite cheap, only £2 or so its worth looking for it on projectfreetv.com they have all sorts of movies online
""Perception" with "Conception"
perception causing the conception or thought and "reality" ??
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@pixie_pseuicide said
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Have you ever seen Waking Life??? its a whole animated film on astral projection with many many many "random" coversations on it..."
Yes pixie i have seen Waking life, i found it fascinating, my favourite conversation was with the professor with glasses who spoke about the "telescoping" of the rate of development of human anthropology and the possibility of the "multiplication of individuality" maybe through cybernetics at some point whereby the individual is not simply @ the whim of the collective.
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""Perception" with "Conception"
perception causing the conception or thought and "reality" ??"
i actually meant trying to extend perception beyond direct line of sight through a concentrated awareness of the geometry of a locality and eventually extend it as far as possible; for example one could start by memorizing the map of one's neighborhood such that no matter in which direction one turns one is aware of one's relative position to other objects and more importantly eventually the actual distance between you; one might start with the major roads and the roads that branch off from them, eventually {this is all still theoretical as far the actual limits, although i have started training with this practice} one might be able to memorize one's whole town or more importantly hold an awareness of its size constantly in one's mind and eventually, as preposterous as it may seem, to have a relatively accurate conception of the actual size of the planet! not in terms of numbers or figures but instantaneously! i often imagine i have "eyes in the back of my head" i practice this while looking in the mirror, i imagine the laterally inverted image as being at the back of my head as i already see what is behind me, and i constantly try to be aware of what is behind me as much as what is in front of me (especially i practice this while driving by maintaining an awareness of the road traveled not just my destination, with the aid of the rear-view mirror, be careful not to have an accident should you try this!). when I hear a car outside of my line of sight when i am in my house i try to follow the sound and track which road i think it is travelling on, if it is coming from a distance and i think it has turned on my street i sometimes go out and check and i have been increasingly accurate. the power of concentration seems to be the key element in this practice so all the standard training for increasing one's concentration powers would be a prerequisite for much success in this and probably should not be undertaken until one is very advanced.
p.s. lucid dreaming is directly related to astral but not necessarily the same as total externalization of the astral body
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How fascinating.. Have you tried to "see" the colour of the car? i imagine that would be a very exciting detail to work on..
I live in england and Master used to live in canada.. i thought i had a pretty good grasp of perception until flying ove canada at all that woodland! and how big yet tiny the town Master comes from is, and how its 30mins to drive to the nearest store, and over an hour, 100 miles to each proper town is... Canada is pretty good at "fooling" you to beleive that the spaces are much bigger than they are...
(unrelated but fascinating...in england you see stars...but in canada you see STARS man.. they are so much brighter and so ...MANY... breath taking and awe inspiring..where there isnt so much light and light pollution... sighs..here in england, outter londen, you're very lucky to see a star, let alone many of them... canada they seem lower also...not sure why i've put this too but maybe its something that will interest you)i dont remember waking life well enough (recently brought the dvd but finding a time Master fancies watching it is pretty hard lol, especially with so much information on all matter of things via the net have a bigger priority... however i'm recouperating from a dentist trip at the moment and so will settle down and watch it on my own in the next few days i think, ill take extra note on that scene and we can chat on it grins