sigils within sex magick
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Often when people wank they're thinking about sex. Soo, they're putting it to use.
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@Escarabaj said
"So - is this an effective AND safe method of getting results? Let's say I want an IPhone4 - I make a sigil out of, say, I and P and 4, then go jack off to it - pardon my french."
One word of warning: SM done for personal ends tends to have the opposite effect.
True example: I perform a ritual of the kind you describe to get laid, a day later I randomly meet a comely woman at a grocery store who invites me over to her house in the woods and f-cks me silly for two days. Great, right? Yes, until her grandparents and husband arrive to find us naked in bed, and I'm chased off the property under the barrel of a 30-06. Despite my protests, the husband refused to pay me the 200$ his wife had promised me for building her a chicken coop and proceeded to walk me to the road with the deer rifle still pointed at my face. Here he left me, and I had to hitchhike to the nearest town, where I promptly bought myself a drink.
The moral? Stick to hexagrams, padawan.
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Early in my magickal career I launched a sigil to get $2100. I got a $2100 credit card. Great. I lacked the discipline to manage the card properly and ran up tons of debt I ended up paying off a few years later. And it wasn't fun or easy. So, the method works. Technically it was safe. But the consequences may not be to your liking.
Edit: I should note that I've gotten numerous ipods (I've had about 4, never paid for any of them), Yankees & Mets tickets, a free skydiving trip (including the video they sell you of your dive), a Gucci wallet & countless other little material things simply by thinking of them. Sometimes with intentions but most of the time without intention. Just merely daydreaming and declaring to myself that I want x. You'd be surprised how powerful your words are, even when you're speaking to yourself in your head while you're off in la-la land.
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@IASVN said
"Yes, until her grandparents and husband arrive to find us naked in bed, and I'm chased off the property under the barrel of a 30-06. Despite my protests, the husband refused to pay me the 200$ his wife had promised me for building her a chicken coop "
wow that's a story to tell the grandkids there... but you must have had some brass ones to ask the husband for money - or were you trying to legitimize your presence in his household?
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@Escarabaj said
"but you must have had some brass ones to ask the husband for money - or were you trying to legitimize your presence in his household? "
I built the chicked coop. They owed me money. Pretty simple.
But yes, it did help my position that I wasn't just screwing his wife, and that I'd created a new home for their fowl.
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@IASVN said
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@Escarabaj said
"but you must have had some brass ones to ask the husband for money - or were you trying to legitimize your presence in his household? "I built the chicked coop. They owed me money. Pretty simple.
But yes, it did help my position that I wasn't just screwing his wife, and that I'd created a new home for their fowl."
Any potential they'd actually planned this to screw you?
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i agree with the atlas itch completely.
the sigil method espounded by the likes of the temple of psychic youth, grant morrison, and chaos magick, strikes me as arising from a misunderstanding of austin spare's work, and is a very ineffective technique. potentially dangerous, too, in the sense that i could easily imagine it creating negative obsessions.
it's an unfortunate reflection of human nature that most, if not all, of those who practice magick start off being at least fascinated by - if not completely hung up on - using magick to get laid, get rich, and / or curse enemies. the truth is that there are much easier and effective ways to go about this than ceremonial magick. my own opinion is that magick is about improvement of the self, and doing sigils or whatever to win the lotto or get that hot chick in local cafe to screw you strikes me as rather contrary to that.
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And i'm not sure it's good magick to drain the pool just before you try to take a swim. (Which might have been part of your last point, Dar.)
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@Dar said
"Older men pace themselves and their partners. Young men just want to go at it in a rush, and it's generally the younger men that will 'drain the pool' before going for a swim. There is no doubt about it - that if you start wanking off over sigils you'll probably draw your magical opposite to you, but it's also true that you'll have locked an important piece of your psyche away from her - draining the pool - that prefaces disaster for the whole enterprise because Babalon does not take half measures. Your opposite will reflect *that which made you conceal anything from her. * It's a very watery elemental response."
What does this mean? Or does draining the pool mean wanking in slang?
Or do you mean that if there's some tricks in it then the other one will uncosciously notice it, and reflect on it?
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I actually understand what you're saying, but I just thought if I could've gotten it with language. Language and understanding often have a gap in my mind.
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It's a tradition in my family, to chop things up, and then synthesize. A la Dali.
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No, actually it's only my family.
I once went to listen to one of my father's lectures (the history of art from spiritual perspective), he'd burp at the exact point of saying something magnificent.
The Finnish way of speaking of philosophy is to not speak at all. You have to get that speaking part off - just skiing.
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You cannot speak with a Finnish person. In a while you'll start feeling what you're doing wrong, but it's just that way. There is a very high slavic taste to my family. And there's a high determination in my family to bring everything upside down all the time, which isn't Finnish, the Finnish part in me is that I'm shy.
Check out Aki Kaurismäki as regards Finnish mentality.
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I agree with Jim, might wanna reconsider spitting any venom...
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" Dar wrote: Older men pace themselves and their partners. Young men just want to go at it in a rush, and it's generally the younger men that will 'drain the pool' before going for a swim. There is no doubt about it - that if you start wanking off over sigils you'll probably draw your magical opposite to you, but it's also true that you'll have locked an important piece of your psyche away from her - draining the pool - that prefaces disaster for the whole enterprise because Babalon does not take half measures. Your opposite will reflect that which made you conceal anything from her. It's a very watery elemental response."
Any way to undue this?
As a young man, I can attest to that 'rush'. I read Liber Null by Peter Carroll(since Robert Anton Wilson recommended him, who seemed to have a lot of heart), which teaches the technique, and I went haywire, throwing sigils all over the place. The way I saw it then was that no damage could really be done, ever, since all that comes through magically is an aspect of the sovereign True Will. In other words, I didn't take any of it seriously, and I played around indiscriminately.
"Oh! This guy says these things can accomplish the manifestation of desire! Sounds fun, I suppose.. What is it that I desire? Well, I don't want money, or power, or whatever, I just want love, and more so, Love with her. It's all that question makes me think of. I guess that's what I'm supposed to make a sigil for.."
All it served to do was muddy the already beautiful and mysterious connection that my opposite and I had with infinitely slippery psychological projections, driving a subliminal, unexplainable rift between us.
Though, the fact still remains that we are indeed magical opposites, that we empower and unlock each other in ways I'm continuously being initiated into understanding; it's a wholly spiritual love, now ungrounded, sexually unbalanced by my half-baked sorcery. The sexual current between us became blocked as soon as I turned it on myself, and now she's conflicted as to her own sexual nature, acting out by getting attached to whatever is regularly around her(she's a Princess of Disks type), which isn't me right now since she's away at college.
Oops.
Did I really just shoot my only chance on the planet at real love between the eyes?
Sure feels like it.
Now I know what not to do, but I'm stuck with it having already been done.
Is there a way, you think, to unlock that part of me that the sigils took away, and repair the connection?
I seriously had no idea what I was doing, this stuff is a lot to take in as a kid, especially so at the same time that hallucinogens and the band Tool entered my life through unrelated but coalescing channels. I was overwhelmed by synchronicity and power, and acted as irresponsibly as could be in that period of my life.
I did everything wrong in the unconscious and wild hope of finding out what right was, only to find that I already knew.
But I think I might be venting at this point..
Any comments on my plight are appreciated.
And truly, it's not so much a plight, as I know what Work must be done.
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@Diluvium said
"now she's conflicted as to her own sexual nature, acting out by getting attached to whatever is regularly around her(she's a Princess of Disks type), which isn't me right now since she's away at college.
Oops.
Did I really just shoot my only chance on the planet at real love between the eyes?"I think you need to decide what you really want... otherwise ambivalence will rule.
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@Dar es Allrah said
"... I think I'd better coin a term for this branch of magick... 'Micro-Magick'. MM."
Yes.. I see it as some sort of psychological plumbing, from the perspective of a magical thinker.
Funny, though.. My initials are actually MM.
I'll just call it Max Miller. 
@Dar es Allrah said
"Yes.
Grow a batch of yeast,
consecrate it,
and immerse the sigils you've used in them for 24 hours.When you're done - it's a 'bottom of the garden' job for the lot.
93's.
"As all the sigils I made are either lost, destroyed, forgotten..
I think I'll just go ahead and thank God I still have a smile on my face.
I'll try and focus on that.
Besides, I already introduced myself to Him.
He told me to get my lazy ass to work....@Avshalom Binyamin said
"I think you need to decide what you really want... otherwise ambivalence will rule."
... Figuring out what it is that I truly want.