What meaneth this, o prophet? AHA!
-
Hello to the community here and a warm 93. If you do not find it too obnoxious, I would like to share, as honesty as I can, an experience that happened to me almost 9 years ago that was very thelemic in nature - and one of the insights at that time had to do with one of the most in your face - understand me if you dare - verses in the book of the law. "76. 4 6 3 8 A B K 2 4 A L G M O R 3 Y X 24 89 R P S T O V A L. What meaneth this, o prophet? Thou knowest not; nor shalt thou know ever. There cometh one to follow thee: he shall expound it. But remember, o chosen one, to be me; to follow the love of Nu in the star-lit heaven; to look forth upon men, to tell them this glad word."
Specifically, what was revealed to me was that simple and glad word that reveals the 'riddle' of the text.
Now please I understand I am only sharing with you the experience of this while not claiming that it is actually true with a capitol T. I just thought it would be fun to share it here and see what comes of it.
So! on with my story and some context before I tell you what was revealed to me. I have a extremely unimpressive magickal career, and to be honest, really never that much interested in practicing ceremonial magick. I was deeply drawn to Liber al over 20 years ago however - and of course love knowing or discovering any occult secrets or knowledge - but my interests were always more philosophical, alchemical and never found that much of a personal need to invoke often. I did have one or two initiations however, and heaps of interesting experience in my life - but really never knew exactly what I was doing prior to this experience. So it was indeed my surprise when I found myself having an experience in which i completely crossed the abyss. I can assure you, inside of the experience, it had absolutely nothing to do with any level of skill I have (because if it did i would not have crossed) - it was HIGHLY intense, i could feel the 'danger' of the passage about me - and all I could do was completely surrender to it and I can only attribute pure grace to the success of that experience. and hope to never go through that again
The experience lasted three months, beginning it's cycle on the solstice and lasting until the following spring. Everyday. Every night. Massive amounts of syncronicity every waking moment, sometimes so extreme it was comical. I had absolutely no idea what I was doing and at one point I felt such a surge of cosmic love I had a very genuine concern that I was disappear, physically, from the face of the earth. I did the best I could to keep the energy grounded, but after 3 months, could no longer sustain the experience and crashed. ouch. it took a few years to recover from that.
It one sense you could say it was a classical kundalini awakening - in another sense you could aslo say it was a classic manic -depressive episode. However I am not manic depressive and have not had anything like that occur before or since.
So... the main component of the experience, crossing the abyss - lead me into a state I can only describe as pure objective consciousness - which I can describe as the perception and understanding between objective consciousness, subjective consciousness, and mysterious consciousness. I was given a number tool with which I could use to understand what was happening to me later. I had beautiful experiences that showed me the union of what i was receiving being held secret in different systems of religion - mainly buddhism, christianity, judaism, islam, hindusim, Taoism - and then Thelema.
The 'download' i received has much to do with my life and professional work to this very day - and it was a surprise to me to learn that this tool has very practical purposes, especially around technology. I am not going to get into that here, just want to point out that this was the main download - understanding small little verses in liber al was a small component of the experience.
The main insight was really understanding, experiencing the distinctions between TRUE, FALSE, and MYSTERY (each chapter of liber al, in the experience, supported each distinction)
The main key of getting this insight was of course integrating 'mystery' and the profoundness of 'mystery'.
and it was very highly entertaining at the time, when *"76. 4 6 3 8 A B K 2 4 A L G M O R 3 Y X 24 89 R P S T O V A L. What meaneth this, o prophet? Thou knowest not; nor shalt thou know ever. " *appeared to perfectly highlight (in a very humorous way) MYSTERY or UNKNOWN. The meaning of the verse is just simply UNKNOWN - and understanding the dynamic of MYSTERY or NOT or UNKNOWN is a very dynamic aspect of our psyche's that for the most part, is entirely unknown to us. I became aware of how throughout my life my own unconscious reactions to MYSTERY produced hordes of delusion and false interpretation. That to be still and present with the eternal mystery that will always remain that continually delivers to us both true and false - is a very sacred road to travel on indeed.
So according to the experience, the glad word that is expounded which explains this riddle is simply MYSTERY. That's it. I can personally vouch that it is indeed a very glad word to behold in light of it's higher meaning.
Now one cannot claim to have such an insight of course without going through the ordeal of the verse, which is " There cometh one to follow thee: he shall expound it." without of course questioning "sheesh, am I that obnoxious to actually think this book is referring to me?" and to be honest, I think that's just part of the humor of liber al. I'm not really interested being that person if there is any validity to what I experienced, and really not claiming to have the ultimate interpretation. Ironically, i just note that the simplicity of the interpretation does appear to follow the predictions of what Crowley suggested it would be.
Okay, so there is my honest share. It's an experience, not a claim (other than a claim about an experience
. But it is very valuable and meaningful to me, and is also very practical in real world affairs just as much as it is in inner world affairs.Still hoping though that some here will rip it to shreds, strike hard and lo, and deliver me from any shackles of delusion that my psyche may bare.
Lotsa Love,
56@Aegis said
"The easiest thing to say is that I have experiences in which I must consciously, functionally manage true paranoia - that which comes "alongside knowing," that it is a false experience, and that the only thing to do is to continue to manage the experience. "
paranoia is just projecting our own false ideas onto the mystery. The distinctions between True, False, and Mystery are very clear and objective. They can also be understood as Objective Truths, False Truths, and Mysterious Truths. When you encounter a paranoid idea, deconstruct it into your inner truth values - combine rational thinking and passionate intuition.
From my POV, higher intelligence can only operate 'win win' - so when you encounter paranoia, try to balance it out with pro-noia - and try to find the evidence of the hidden school plotting to make you win around every corner. Bring all ideas into a harmonious dialectic within themselves and appreciate the union of the two of them.
"
But... there are those methods one develops for oneself to discern and confirm the truth of one's experience when no one else can confirm or deny it, and these methods... "methods.." lol... these methods confirm my experiences with later events. For instance, I understand now that I could have told you about two days in advance that Perry was preparing to run for office. "
okay, yeah i got that sort of stuff too - just let it be. sometimes you will be given the T, sometimes the F, and sometimes the M. it's up to the aspirant to determine which one he is working with.
"
I don't know how to say it, but in the area that you seem to be describing as Mystery, I experience "the game." It's the outworking of present problems in "history," in Assiah - at least in my mind, but that goes back to the argument itself. "
hmmm, not sure what you mean exactly, but I do see that the 'game' between True, False and Mystery has shaped the historical dialectic which has guided humanity to our current phase.
"
Here's my problem, I think: I can fully invest both in an interpretation which regards the experiences as perfectly real as well as in an interpretation that regards my experiences as totally false - simultaneously -well, not entirely... it depends.... It's more like still trying to find out, but each perspective, in turn, seems to carry the full weight of its conviction. It's as if at least something, everyday, causes me to take one position and have that confirmed to me, and then the rest of the day is devoted to making me switch back to the other interpretation. "
It's as if Life itself does not wish for me to settle on one alone, but the combination of the two seems mutually exclusive. "
keep combining! two make three and then all dissolve. integrating the opposites, colliding them together in dialectic or fusing them together in love is that not the great work?
"
I have become the Incredible Hulk... A spiritually gifted manic with occassional paranoid symptoms...? A judge like in the Hebrew stories? Still in the Abyss? What?
I want the scene at the end of the movie where Edward Norton is meditating calmly, and then he suddenly smiles as his eyes flash open, glowing green."
your just thinking about it too much. dont forget to FEEL it and Think about it. Only those two perfectly married will carry you across. you just have to lose all your false ideas believed to be true, all your true ideas believed to be mystery, and all your mysterious ideas believed to be otherwise.
personally i always like the Silver Surfer
-
Hello to the community here and a warm 93. If you do not find it too obnoxious, I would like to share, as honesty as I can, an experience that happened to me almost 9 years ago that was very thelemic in nature - and one of the insights at that time had to do with one of the most in your face - understand me if you dare - verses in the book of the law. "76. 4 6 3 8 A B K 2 4 A L G M O R 3 Y X 24 89 R P S T O V A L. What meaneth this, o prophet? Thou knowest not; nor shalt thou know ever. There cometh one to follow thee: he shall expound it. But remember, o chosen one, to be me; to follow the love of Nu in the star-lit heaven; to look forth upon men, to tell them this glad word."
Specifically, what was revealed to me was that simple and glad word that reveals the 'riddle' of the text.
Now please I understand I am only sharing with you the experience of this while not claiming that it is actually true with a capitol T. I just thought it would be fun to share it here and see what comes of it.
So! on with my story and some context before I tell you what was revealed to me. I have a extremely unimpressive magickal career, and to be honest, really never that much interested in practicing ceremonial magick. I was deeply drawn to Liber al over 20 years ago however - and of course love knowing or discovering any occult secrets or knowledge - but my interests were always more philosophical, alchemical and never found that much of a personal need to invoke often. I did have one or two initiations however, and heaps of interesting experience in my life - but really never knew exactly what I was doing prior to this experience. So it was indeed my surprise when I found myself having an experience in which i completely crossed the abyss. I can assure you, inside of the experience, it had absolutely nothing to do with any level of skill I have (because if it did i would not have crossed) - it was HIGHLY intense, i could feel the 'danger' of the passage about me - and all I could do was completely surrender to it and I can only attribute pure grace to the success of that experience. and hope to never go through that again
The experience lasted three months, beginning it's cycle on the solstice and lasting until the following spring. Everyday. Every night. Massive amounts of syncronicity every waking moment, sometimes so extreme it was comical. I had absolutely no idea what I was doing and at one point I felt such a surge of cosmic love I had a very genuine concern that I was disappear, physically, from the face of the earth. I did the best I could to keep the energy grounded, but after 3 months, could no longer sustain the experience and crashed. ouch. it took a few years to recover from that.
It one sense you could say it was a classical kundalini awakening - in another sense you could aslo say it was a classic manic -depressive episode. However I am not manic depressive and have not had anything like that occur before or since.
So... the main component of the experience, crossing the abyss - lead me into a state I can only describe as pure objective consciousness - which I can describe as the perception and understanding between objective consciousness, subjective consciousness, and mysterious consciousness. I was given a number tool with which I could use to understand what was happening to me later. I had beautiful experiences that showed me the union of what i was receiving being held secret in different systems of religion - mainly buddhism, christianity, judaism, islam, hindusim, Taoism - and then Thelema.
The 'download' i received has much to do with my life and professional work to this very day - and it was a surprise to me to learn that this tool has very practical purposes, especially around technology. I am not going to get into that here, just want to point out that this was the main download - understanding small little verses in liber al was a small component of the experience.
The main insight was really understanding, experiencing the distinctions between TRUE, FALSE, and MYSTERY (each chapter of liber al, in the experience, supported each distinction)
The main key of getting this insight was of course integrating 'mystery' and the profoundness of 'mystery'.
and it was very highly entertaining at the time, when *"76. 4 6 3 8 A B K 2 4 A L G M O R 3 Y X 24 89 R P S T O V A L. What meaneth this, o prophet? Thou knowest not; nor shalt thou know ever. " *appeared to perfectly highlight (in a very humorous way) MYSTERY or UNKNOWN. The meaning of the verse is just simply UNKNOWN - and understanding the dynamic of MYSTERY or NOT or UNKNOWN is a very dynamic aspect of our psyche's that for the most part, is entirely unknown to us. I became aware of how throughout my life my own unconscious reactions to MYSTERY produced hordes of delusion and false interpretation. That to be still and present with the eternal mystery that will always remain that continually delivers to us both true and false - is a very sacred road to travel on indeed.
So according to the experience, the glad word that is expounded which explains this riddle is simply MYSTERY. That's it. I can personally vouch that it is indeed a very glad word to behold in light of it's higher meaning.
Now one cannot claim to have such an insight of course without going through the ordeal of the verse, which is " There cometh one to follow thee: he shall expound it." without of course questioning "sheesh, am I that obnoxious to actually think this book is referring to me?" and to be honest, I think that's just part of the humor of liber al. I'm not really interested being that person if there is any validity to what I experienced, and really not claiming to have the ultimate interpretation. Ironically, i just note that the simplicity of the interpretation does appear to follow the predictions of what Crowley suggested it would be.
Okay, so there is my honest share. It's an experience, not a claim (other than a claim about an experience
. But it is very valuable and meaningful to me, and is also very practical in real world affairs just as much as it is in inner world affairs.Still hoping though that some here will rip it to shreds, strike hard and lo, and deliver me from any shackles of delusion that my psyche may bare.
Lotsa Love,
56@Aegis said
"Thanks for you comments.
It's the idea that I should be kept in the dark and continue in the dark that I constantly resist. No old Aeon formula for me. Thanks. If so, I would be happy in my sufferings. As it is, that's some bullshit."
what do you mean 'in the dark'? the nature of the self, some part of it will always be in the dark to ourselves and others.
-
Hello to the community here and a warm 93. If you do not find it too obnoxious, I would like to share, as honesty as I can, an experience that happened to me almost 9 years ago that was very thelemic in nature - and one of the insights at that time had to do with one of the most in your face - understand me if you dare - verses in the book of the law. "76. 4 6 3 8 A B K 2 4 A L G M O R 3 Y X 24 89 R P S T O V A L. What meaneth this, o prophet? Thou knowest not; nor shalt thou know ever. There cometh one to follow thee: he shall expound it. But remember, o chosen one, to be me; to follow the love of Nu in the star-lit heaven; to look forth upon men, to tell them this glad word."
Specifically, what was revealed to me was that simple and glad word that reveals the 'riddle' of the text.
Now please I understand I am only sharing with you the experience of this while not claiming that it is actually true with a capitol T. I just thought it would be fun to share it here and see what comes of it.
So! on with my story and some context before I tell you what was revealed to me. I have a extremely unimpressive magickal career, and to be honest, really never that much interested in practicing ceremonial magick. I was deeply drawn to Liber al over 20 years ago however - and of course love knowing or discovering any occult secrets or knowledge - but my interests were always more philosophical, alchemical and never found that much of a personal need to invoke often. I did have one or two initiations however, and heaps of interesting experience in my life - but really never knew exactly what I was doing prior to this experience. So it was indeed my surprise when I found myself having an experience in which i completely crossed the abyss. I can assure you, inside of the experience, it had absolutely nothing to do with any level of skill I have (because if it did i would not have crossed) - it was HIGHLY intense, i could feel the 'danger' of the passage about me - and all I could do was completely surrender to it and I can only attribute pure grace to the success of that experience. and hope to never go through that again
The experience lasted three months, beginning it's cycle on the solstice and lasting until the following spring. Everyday. Every night. Massive amounts of syncronicity every waking moment, sometimes so extreme it was comical. I had absolutely no idea what I was doing and at one point I felt such a surge of cosmic love I had a very genuine concern that I was disappear, physically, from the face of the earth. I did the best I could to keep the energy grounded, but after 3 months, could no longer sustain the experience and crashed. ouch. it took a few years to recover from that.
It one sense you could say it was a classical kundalini awakening - in another sense you could aslo say it was a classic manic -depressive episode. However I am not manic depressive and have not had anything like that occur before or since.
So... the main component of the experience, crossing the abyss - lead me into a state I can only describe as pure objective consciousness - which I can describe as the perception and understanding between objective consciousness, subjective consciousness, and mysterious consciousness. I was given a number tool with which I could use to understand what was happening to me later. I had beautiful experiences that showed me the union of what i was receiving being held secret in different systems of religion - mainly buddhism, christianity, judaism, islam, hindusim, Taoism - and then Thelema.
The 'download' i received has much to do with my life and professional work to this very day - and it was a surprise to me to learn that this tool has very practical purposes, especially around technology. I am not going to get into that here, just want to point out that this was the main download - understanding small little verses in liber al was a small component of the experience.
The main insight was really understanding, experiencing the distinctions between TRUE, FALSE, and MYSTERY (each chapter of liber al, in the experience, supported each distinction)
The main key of getting this insight was of course integrating 'mystery' and the profoundness of 'mystery'.
and it was very highly entertaining at the time, when *"76. 4 6 3 8 A B K 2 4 A L G M O R 3 Y X 24 89 R P S T O V A L. What meaneth this, o prophet? Thou knowest not; nor shalt thou know ever. " *appeared to perfectly highlight (in a very humorous way) MYSTERY or UNKNOWN. The meaning of the verse is just simply UNKNOWN - and understanding the dynamic of MYSTERY or NOT or UNKNOWN is a very dynamic aspect of our psyche's that for the most part, is entirely unknown to us. I became aware of how throughout my life my own unconscious reactions to MYSTERY produced hordes of delusion and false interpretation. That to be still and present with the eternal mystery that will always remain that continually delivers to us both true and false - is a very sacred road to travel on indeed.
So according to the experience, the glad word that is expounded which explains this riddle is simply MYSTERY. That's it. I can personally vouch that it is indeed a very glad word to behold in light of it's higher meaning.
Now one cannot claim to have such an insight of course without going through the ordeal of the verse, which is " There cometh one to follow thee: he shall expound it." without of course questioning "sheesh, am I that obnoxious to actually think this book is referring to me?" and to be honest, I think that's just part of the humor of liber al. I'm not really interested being that person if there is any validity to what I experienced, and really not claiming to have the ultimate interpretation. Ironically, i just note that the simplicity of the interpretation does appear to follow the predictions of what Crowley suggested it would be.
Okay, so there is my honest share. It's an experience, not a claim (other than a claim about an experience
. But it is very valuable and meaningful to me, and is also very practical in real world affairs just as much as it is in inner world affairs.Still hoping though that some here will rip it to shreds, strike hard and lo, and deliver me from any shackles of delusion that my psyche may bare.
Lotsa Love,
56I meant in the experiences.
For example, last time, some assured others that I was "comatose" (not able to comprehend what was going on), yet one was speaking on behalf of petroleum and it's "language." I think this is enabled because of some past "agreement" or something similar that I was coerced into during a more hellish experience. At times, some express surprise that I can hear them "talking."
I no longer want to keep this agreement, nor my silence about it. If you're only as sick as your secrets, there's a big one.
I am awake. I can hear them. And most times I can make out what they're talking about.
Their whole world is money, and my services are stolen from me without compensation. If I were using an Old Aeon formula, I would simply suffer in silence. As it is, I hold them to their own passion, money, and that for which they use me, my judgment.
And I say, "You haven't kept your end of the deal, and by the rules of your own money game, you owe me. Your services are cut off, and all impartial judgments are suspended until you follow your own rules and payment is made."
But that's *just *crazy talk...
-
Hello to the community here and a warm 93. If you do not find it too obnoxious, I would like to share, as honesty as I can, an experience that happened to me almost 9 years ago that was very thelemic in nature - and one of the insights at that time had to do with one of the most in your face - understand me if you dare - verses in the book of the law. "76. 4 6 3 8 A B K 2 4 A L G M O R 3 Y X 24 89 R P S T O V A L. What meaneth this, o prophet? Thou knowest not; nor shalt thou know ever. There cometh one to follow thee: he shall expound it. But remember, o chosen one, to be me; to follow the love of Nu in the star-lit heaven; to look forth upon men, to tell them this glad word."
Specifically, what was revealed to me was that simple and glad word that reveals the 'riddle' of the text.
Now please I understand I am only sharing with you the experience of this while not claiming that it is actually true with a capitol T. I just thought it would be fun to share it here and see what comes of it.
So! on with my story and some context before I tell you what was revealed to me. I have a extremely unimpressive magickal career, and to be honest, really never that much interested in practicing ceremonial magick. I was deeply drawn to Liber al over 20 years ago however - and of course love knowing or discovering any occult secrets or knowledge - but my interests were always more philosophical, alchemical and never found that much of a personal need to invoke often. I did have one or two initiations however, and heaps of interesting experience in my life - but really never knew exactly what I was doing prior to this experience. So it was indeed my surprise when I found myself having an experience in which i completely crossed the abyss. I can assure you, inside of the experience, it had absolutely nothing to do with any level of skill I have (because if it did i would not have crossed) - it was HIGHLY intense, i could feel the 'danger' of the passage about me - and all I could do was completely surrender to it and I can only attribute pure grace to the success of that experience. and hope to never go through that again
The experience lasted three months, beginning it's cycle on the solstice and lasting until the following spring. Everyday. Every night. Massive amounts of syncronicity every waking moment, sometimes so extreme it was comical. I had absolutely no idea what I was doing and at one point I felt such a surge of cosmic love I had a very genuine concern that I was disappear, physically, from the face of the earth. I did the best I could to keep the energy grounded, but after 3 months, could no longer sustain the experience and crashed. ouch. it took a few years to recover from that.
It one sense you could say it was a classical kundalini awakening - in another sense you could aslo say it was a classic manic -depressive episode. However I am not manic depressive and have not had anything like that occur before or since.
So... the main component of the experience, crossing the abyss - lead me into a state I can only describe as pure objective consciousness - which I can describe as the perception and understanding between objective consciousness, subjective consciousness, and mysterious consciousness. I was given a number tool with which I could use to understand what was happening to me later. I had beautiful experiences that showed me the union of what i was receiving being held secret in different systems of religion - mainly buddhism, christianity, judaism, islam, hindusim, Taoism - and then Thelema.
The 'download' i received has much to do with my life and professional work to this very day - and it was a surprise to me to learn that this tool has very practical purposes, especially around technology. I am not going to get into that here, just want to point out that this was the main download - understanding small little verses in liber al was a small component of the experience.
The main insight was really understanding, experiencing the distinctions between TRUE, FALSE, and MYSTERY (each chapter of liber al, in the experience, supported each distinction)
The main key of getting this insight was of course integrating 'mystery' and the profoundness of 'mystery'.
and it was very highly entertaining at the time, when *"76. 4 6 3 8 A B K 2 4 A L G M O R 3 Y X 24 89 R P S T O V A L. What meaneth this, o prophet? Thou knowest not; nor shalt thou know ever. " *appeared to perfectly highlight (in a very humorous way) MYSTERY or UNKNOWN. The meaning of the verse is just simply UNKNOWN - and understanding the dynamic of MYSTERY or NOT or UNKNOWN is a very dynamic aspect of our psyche's that for the most part, is entirely unknown to us. I became aware of how throughout my life my own unconscious reactions to MYSTERY produced hordes of delusion and false interpretation. That to be still and present with the eternal mystery that will always remain that continually delivers to us both true and false - is a very sacred road to travel on indeed.
So according to the experience, the glad word that is expounded which explains this riddle is simply MYSTERY. That's it. I can personally vouch that it is indeed a very glad word to behold in light of it's higher meaning.
Now one cannot claim to have such an insight of course without going through the ordeal of the verse, which is " There cometh one to follow thee: he shall expound it." without of course questioning "sheesh, am I that obnoxious to actually think this book is referring to me?" and to be honest, I think that's just part of the humor of liber al. I'm not really interested being that person if there is any validity to what I experienced, and really not claiming to have the ultimate interpretation. Ironically, i just note that the simplicity of the interpretation does appear to follow the predictions of what Crowley suggested it would be.
Okay, so there is my honest share. It's an experience, not a claim (other than a claim about an experience
. But it is very valuable and meaningful to me, and is also very practical in real world affairs just as much as it is in inner world affairs.Still hoping though that some here will rip it to shreds, strike hard and lo, and deliver me from any shackles of delusion that my psyche may bare.
Lotsa Love,
56@ldfriend56 said
"a one Robert Allen came at me in another thread, claiming as his inspiration a 'feisty mood'. He's fun. I'm hoping Jim will engage a bit."
That would be a serious waste of my time.
Av more or less gave the answer I would have given. (More or less.)
-
Hello to the community here and a warm 93. If you do not find it too obnoxious, I would like to share, as honesty as I can, an experience that happened to me almost 9 years ago that was very thelemic in nature - and one of the insights at that time had to do with one of the most in your face - understand me if you dare - verses in the book of the law. "76. 4 6 3 8 A B K 2 4 A L G M O R 3 Y X 24 89 R P S T O V A L. What meaneth this, o prophet? Thou knowest not; nor shalt thou know ever. There cometh one to follow thee: he shall expound it. But remember, o chosen one, to be me; to follow the love of Nu in the star-lit heaven; to look forth upon men, to tell them this glad word."
Specifically, what was revealed to me was that simple and glad word that reveals the 'riddle' of the text.
Now please I understand I am only sharing with you the experience of this while not claiming that it is actually true with a capitol T. I just thought it would be fun to share it here and see what comes of it.
So! on with my story and some context before I tell you what was revealed to me. I have a extremely unimpressive magickal career, and to be honest, really never that much interested in practicing ceremonial magick. I was deeply drawn to Liber al over 20 years ago however - and of course love knowing or discovering any occult secrets or knowledge - but my interests were always more philosophical, alchemical and never found that much of a personal need to invoke often. I did have one or two initiations however, and heaps of interesting experience in my life - but really never knew exactly what I was doing prior to this experience. So it was indeed my surprise when I found myself having an experience in which i completely crossed the abyss. I can assure you, inside of the experience, it had absolutely nothing to do with any level of skill I have (because if it did i would not have crossed) - it was HIGHLY intense, i could feel the 'danger' of the passage about me - and all I could do was completely surrender to it and I can only attribute pure grace to the success of that experience. and hope to never go through that again
The experience lasted three months, beginning it's cycle on the solstice and lasting until the following spring. Everyday. Every night. Massive amounts of syncronicity every waking moment, sometimes so extreme it was comical. I had absolutely no idea what I was doing and at one point I felt such a surge of cosmic love I had a very genuine concern that I was disappear, physically, from the face of the earth. I did the best I could to keep the energy grounded, but after 3 months, could no longer sustain the experience and crashed. ouch. it took a few years to recover from that.
It one sense you could say it was a classical kundalini awakening - in another sense you could aslo say it was a classic manic -depressive episode. However I am not manic depressive and have not had anything like that occur before or since.
So... the main component of the experience, crossing the abyss - lead me into a state I can only describe as pure objective consciousness - which I can describe as the perception and understanding between objective consciousness, subjective consciousness, and mysterious consciousness. I was given a number tool with which I could use to understand what was happening to me later. I had beautiful experiences that showed me the union of what i was receiving being held secret in different systems of religion - mainly buddhism, christianity, judaism, islam, hindusim, Taoism - and then Thelema.
The 'download' i received has much to do with my life and professional work to this very day - and it was a surprise to me to learn that this tool has very practical purposes, especially around technology. I am not going to get into that here, just want to point out that this was the main download - understanding small little verses in liber al was a small component of the experience.
The main insight was really understanding, experiencing the distinctions between TRUE, FALSE, and MYSTERY (each chapter of liber al, in the experience, supported each distinction)
The main key of getting this insight was of course integrating 'mystery' and the profoundness of 'mystery'.
and it was very highly entertaining at the time, when *"76. 4 6 3 8 A B K 2 4 A L G M O R 3 Y X 24 89 R P S T O V A L. What meaneth this, o prophet? Thou knowest not; nor shalt thou know ever. " *appeared to perfectly highlight (in a very humorous way) MYSTERY or UNKNOWN. The meaning of the verse is just simply UNKNOWN - and understanding the dynamic of MYSTERY or NOT or UNKNOWN is a very dynamic aspect of our psyche's that for the most part, is entirely unknown to us. I became aware of how throughout my life my own unconscious reactions to MYSTERY produced hordes of delusion and false interpretation. That to be still and present with the eternal mystery that will always remain that continually delivers to us both true and false - is a very sacred road to travel on indeed.
So according to the experience, the glad word that is expounded which explains this riddle is simply MYSTERY. That's it. I can personally vouch that it is indeed a very glad word to behold in light of it's higher meaning.
Now one cannot claim to have such an insight of course without going through the ordeal of the verse, which is " There cometh one to follow thee: he shall expound it." without of course questioning "sheesh, am I that obnoxious to actually think this book is referring to me?" and to be honest, I think that's just part of the humor of liber al. I'm not really interested being that person if there is any validity to what I experienced, and really not claiming to have the ultimate interpretation. Ironically, i just note that the simplicity of the interpretation does appear to follow the predictions of what Crowley suggested it would be.
Okay, so there is my honest share. It's an experience, not a claim (other than a claim about an experience
. But it is very valuable and meaningful to me, and is also very practical in real world affairs just as much as it is in inner world affairs.Still hoping though that some here will rip it to shreds, strike hard and lo, and deliver me from any shackles of delusion that my psyche may bare.
Lotsa Love,
56 -
Hello to the community here and a warm 93. If you do not find it too obnoxious, I would like to share, as honesty as I can, an experience that happened to me almost 9 years ago that was very thelemic in nature - and one of the insights at that time had to do with one of the most in your face - understand me if you dare - verses in the book of the law. "76. 4 6 3 8 A B K 2 4 A L G M O R 3 Y X 24 89 R P S T O V A L. What meaneth this, o prophet? Thou knowest not; nor shalt thou know ever. There cometh one to follow thee: he shall expound it. But remember, o chosen one, to be me; to follow the love of Nu in the star-lit heaven; to look forth upon men, to tell them this glad word."
Specifically, what was revealed to me was that simple and glad word that reveals the 'riddle' of the text.
Now please I understand I am only sharing with you the experience of this while not claiming that it is actually true with a capitol T. I just thought it would be fun to share it here and see what comes of it.
So! on with my story and some context before I tell you what was revealed to me. I have a extremely unimpressive magickal career, and to be honest, really never that much interested in practicing ceremonial magick. I was deeply drawn to Liber al over 20 years ago however - and of course love knowing or discovering any occult secrets or knowledge - but my interests were always more philosophical, alchemical and never found that much of a personal need to invoke often. I did have one or two initiations however, and heaps of interesting experience in my life - but really never knew exactly what I was doing prior to this experience. So it was indeed my surprise when I found myself having an experience in which i completely crossed the abyss. I can assure you, inside of the experience, it had absolutely nothing to do with any level of skill I have (because if it did i would not have crossed) - it was HIGHLY intense, i could feel the 'danger' of the passage about me - and all I could do was completely surrender to it and I can only attribute pure grace to the success of that experience. and hope to never go through that again
The experience lasted three months, beginning it's cycle on the solstice and lasting until the following spring. Everyday. Every night. Massive amounts of syncronicity every waking moment, sometimes so extreme it was comical. I had absolutely no idea what I was doing and at one point I felt such a surge of cosmic love I had a very genuine concern that I was disappear, physically, from the face of the earth. I did the best I could to keep the energy grounded, but after 3 months, could no longer sustain the experience and crashed. ouch. it took a few years to recover from that.
It one sense you could say it was a classical kundalini awakening - in another sense you could aslo say it was a classic manic -depressive episode. However I am not manic depressive and have not had anything like that occur before or since.
So... the main component of the experience, crossing the abyss - lead me into a state I can only describe as pure objective consciousness - which I can describe as the perception and understanding between objective consciousness, subjective consciousness, and mysterious consciousness. I was given a number tool with which I could use to understand what was happening to me later. I had beautiful experiences that showed me the union of what i was receiving being held secret in different systems of religion - mainly buddhism, christianity, judaism, islam, hindusim, Taoism - and then Thelema.
The 'download' i received has much to do with my life and professional work to this very day - and it was a surprise to me to learn that this tool has very practical purposes, especially around technology. I am not going to get into that here, just want to point out that this was the main download - understanding small little verses in liber al was a small component of the experience.
The main insight was really understanding, experiencing the distinctions between TRUE, FALSE, and MYSTERY (each chapter of liber al, in the experience, supported each distinction)
The main key of getting this insight was of course integrating 'mystery' and the profoundness of 'mystery'.
and it was very highly entertaining at the time, when *"76. 4 6 3 8 A B K 2 4 A L G M O R 3 Y X 24 89 R P S T O V A L. What meaneth this, o prophet? Thou knowest not; nor shalt thou know ever. " *appeared to perfectly highlight (in a very humorous way) MYSTERY or UNKNOWN. The meaning of the verse is just simply UNKNOWN - and understanding the dynamic of MYSTERY or NOT or UNKNOWN is a very dynamic aspect of our psyche's that for the most part, is entirely unknown to us. I became aware of how throughout my life my own unconscious reactions to MYSTERY produced hordes of delusion and false interpretation. That to be still and present with the eternal mystery that will always remain that continually delivers to us both true and false - is a very sacred road to travel on indeed.
So according to the experience, the glad word that is expounded which explains this riddle is simply MYSTERY. That's it. I can personally vouch that it is indeed a very glad word to behold in light of it's higher meaning.
Now one cannot claim to have such an insight of course without going through the ordeal of the verse, which is " There cometh one to follow thee: he shall expound it." without of course questioning "sheesh, am I that obnoxious to actually think this book is referring to me?" and to be honest, I think that's just part of the humor of liber al. I'm not really interested being that person if there is any validity to what I experienced, and really not claiming to have the ultimate interpretation. Ironically, i just note that the simplicity of the interpretation does appear to follow the predictions of what Crowley suggested it would be.
Okay, so there is my honest share. It's an experience, not a claim (other than a claim about an experience
. But it is very valuable and meaningful to me, and is also very practical in real world affairs just as much as it is in inner world affairs.Still hoping though that some here will rip it to shreds, strike hard and lo, and deliver me from any shackles of delusion that my psyche may bare.
Lotsa Love,
56@Aegis said
"Me: I love you.
It: I'm fine. I hate you. I love you. I want ice cream. Come here. Go away. Oranges?
Me: I'm fine. I hate you. I love you. I want ice cream. Come here. Go away. Oranges?
It: Boohoo. You hate me.
Experiment: Successful.
Outcome: Hated."dont be so attached to the outcome!
other than that, it's very hard for me to discern what your referring to because I cannot tell the context of your writing. not even sure I know what you mean by 'it'. I can only tell you what to look out for, i hope it helps. the ordeals can be very challenging. success is your proof.
-
Hello to the community here and a warm 93. If you do not find it too obnoxious, I would like to share, as honesty as I can, an experience that happened to me almost 9 years ago that was very thelemic in nature - and one of the insights at that time had to do with one of the most in your face - understand me if you dare - verses in the book of the law. "76. 4 6 3 8 A B K 2 4 A L G M O R 3 Y X 24 89 R P S T O V A L. What meaneth this, o prophet? Thou knowest not; nor shalt thou know ever. There cometh one to follow thee: he shall expound it. But remember, o chosen one, to be me; to follow the love of Nu in the star-lit heaven; to look forth upon men, to tell them this glad word."
Specifically, what was revealed to me was that simple and glad word that reveals the 'riddle' of the text.
Now please I understand I am only sharing with you the experience of this while not claiming that it is actually true with a capitol T. I just thought it would be fun to share it here and see what comes of it.
So! on with my story and some context before I tell you what was revealed to me. I have a extremely unimpressive magickal career, and to be honest, really never that much interested in practicing ceremonial magick. I was deeply drawn to Liber al over 20 years ago however - and of course love knowing or discovering any occult secrets or knowledge - but my interests were always more philosophical, alchemical and never found that much of a personal need to invoke often. I did have one or two initiations however, and heaps of interesting experience in my life - but really never knew exactly what I was doing prior to this experience. So it was indeed my surprise when I found myself having an experience in which i completely crossed the abyss. I can assure you, inside of the experience, it had absolutely nothing to do with any level of skill I have (because if it did i would not have crossed) - it was HIGHLY intense, i could feel the 'danger' of the passage about me - and all I could do was completely surrender to it and I can only attribute pure grace to the success of that experience. and hope to never go through that again
The experience lasted three months, beginning it's cycle on the solstice and lasting until the following spring. Everyday. Every night. Massive amounts of syncronicity every waking moment, sometimes so extreme it was comical. I had absolutely no idea what I was doing and at one point I felt such a surge of cosmic love I had a very genuine concern that I was disappear, physically, from the face of the earth. I did the best I could to keep the energy grounded, but after 3 months, could no longer sustain the experience and crashed. ouch. it took a few years to recover from that.
It one sense you could say it was a classical kundalini awakening - in another sense you could aslo say it was a classic manic -depressive episode. However I am not manic depressive and have not had anything like that occur before or since.
So... the main component of the experience, crossing the abyss - lead me into a state I can only describe as pure objective consciousness - which I can describe as the perception and understanding between objective consciousness, subjective consciousness, and mysterious consciousness. I was given a number tool with which I could use to understand what was happening to me later. I had beautiful experiences that showed me the union of what i was receiving being held secret in different systems of religion - mainly buddhism, christianity, judaism, islam, hindusim, Taoism - and then Thelema.
The 'download' i received has much to do with my life and professional work to this very day - and it was a surprise to me to learn that this tool has very practical purposes, especially around technology. I am not going to get into that here, just want to point out that this was the main download - understanding small little verses in liber al was a small component of the experience.
The main insight was really understanding, experiencing the distinctions between TRUE, FALSE, and MYSTERY (each chapter of liber al, in the experience, supported each distinction)
The main key of getting this insight was of course integrating 'mystery' and the profoundness of 'mystery'.
and it was very highly entertaining at the time, when *"76. 4 6 3 8 A B K 2 4 A L G M O R 3 Y X 24 89 R P S T O V A L. What meaneth this, o prophet? Thou knowest not; nor shalt thou know ever. " *appeared to perfectly highlight (in a very humorous way) MYSTERY or UNKNOWN. The meaning of the verse is just simply UNKNOWN - and understanding the dynamic of MYSTERY or NOT or UNKNOWN is a very dynamic aspect of our psyche's that for the most part, is entirely unknown to us. I became aware of how throughout my life my own unconscious reactions to MYSTERY produced hordes of delusion and false interpretation. That to be still and present with the eternal mystery that will always remain that continually delivers to us both true and false - is a very sacred road to travel on indeed.
So according to the experience, the glad word that is expounded which explains this riddle is simply MYSTERY. That's it. I can personally vouch that it is indeed a very glad word to behold in light of it's higher meaning.
Now one cannot claim to have such an insight of course without going through the ordeal of the verse, which is " There cometh one to follow thee: he shall expound it." without of course questioning "sheesh, am I that obnoxious to actually think this book is referring to me?" and to be honest, I think that's just part of the humor of liber al. I'm not really interested being that person if there is any validity to what I experienced, and really not claiming to have the ultimate interpretation. Ironically, i just note that the simplicity of the interpretation does appear to follow the predictions of what Crowley suggested it would be.
Okay, so there is my honest share. It's an experience, not a claim (other than a claim about an experience
. But it is very valuable and meaningful to me, and is also very practical in real world affairs just as much as it is in inner world affairs.Still hoping though that some here will rip it to shreds, strike hard and lo, and deliver me from any shackles of delusion that my psyche may bare.
Lotsa Love,
56@Jim Eshelman said
"
@ldfriend56 said
"a one Robert Allen came at me in another thread, claiming as his inspiration a 'feisty mood'. He's fun. I'm hoping Jim will engage a bit."That would be a serious waste of my time.
Av more or less gave the answer I would have given. (More or less.)"
Nice for you to come by and I hope reading is not a waste of your good time!
thanks Jim! (old friend)
-
Hello to the community here and a warm 93. If you do not find it too obnoxious, I would like to share, as honesty as I can, an experience that happened to me almost 9 years ago that was very thelemic in nature - and one of the insights at that time had to do with one of the most in your face - understand me if you dare - verses in the book of the law. "76. 4 6 3 8 A B K 2 4 A L G M O R 3 Y X 24 89 R P S T O V A L. What meaneth this, o prophet? Thou knowest not; nor shalt thou know ever. There cometh one to follow thee: he shall expound it. But remember, o chosen one, to be me; to follow the love of Nu in the star-lit heaven; to look forth upon men, to tell them this glad word."
Specifically, what was revealed to me was that simple and glad word that reveals the 'riddle' of the text.
Now please I understand I am only sharing with you the experience of this while not claiming that it is actually true with a capitol T. I just thought it would be fun to share it here and see what comes of it.
So! on with my story and some context before I tell you what was revealed to me. I have a extremely unimpressive magickal career, and to be honest, really never that much interested in practicing ceremonial magick. I was deeply drawn to Liber al over 20 years ago however - and of course love knowing or discovering any occult secrets or knowledge - but my interests were always more philosophical, alchemical and never found that much of a personal need to invoke often. I did have one or two initiations however, and heaps of interesting experience in my life - but really never knew exactly what I was doing prior to this experience. So it was indeed my surprise when I found myself having an experience in which i completely crossed the abyss. I can assure you, inside of the experience, it had absolutely nothing to do with any level of skill I have (because if it did i would not have crossed) - it was HIGHLY intense, i could feel the 'danger' of the passage about me - and all I could do was completely surrender to it and I can only attribute pure grace to the success of that experience. and hope to never go through that again
The experience lasted three months, beginning it's cycle on the solstice and lasting until the following spring. Everyday. Every night. Massive amounts of syncronicity every waking moment, sometimes so extreme it was comical. I had absolutely no idea what I was doing and at one point I felt such a surge of cosmic love I had a very genuine concern that I was disappear, physically, from the face of the earth. I did the best I could to keep the energy grounded, but after 3 months, could no longer sustain the experience and crashed. ouch. it took a few years to recover from that.
It one sense you could say it was a classical kundalini awakening - in another sense you could aslo say it was a classic manic -depressive episode. However I am not manic depressive and have not had anything like that occur before or since.
So... the main component of the experience, crossing the abyss - lead me into a state I can only describe as pure objective consciousness - which I can describe as the perception and understanding between objective consciousness, subjective consciousness, and mysterious consciousness. I was given a number tool with which I could use to understand what was happening to me later. I had beautiful experiences that showed me the union of what i was receiving being held secret in different systems of religion - mainly buddhism, christianity, judaism, islam, hindusim, Taoism - and then Thelema.
The 'download' i received has much to do with my life and professional work to this very day - and it was a surprise to me to learn that this tool has very practical purposes, especially around technology. I am not going to get into that here, just want to point out that this was the main download - understanding small little verses in liber al was a small component of the experience.
The main insight was really understanding, experiencing the distinctions between TRUE, FALSE, and MYSTERY (each chapter of liber al, in the experience, supported each distinction)
The main key of getting this insight was of course integrating 'mystery' and the profoundness of 'mystery'.
and it was very highly entertaining at the time, when *"76. 4 6 3 8 A B K 2 4 A L G M O R 3 Y X 24 89 R P S T O V A L. What meaneth this, o prophet? Thou knowest not; nor shalt thou know ever. " *appeared to perfectly highlight (in a very humorous way) MYSTERY or UNKNOWN. The meaning of the verse is just simply UNKNOWN - and understanding the dynamic of MYSTERY or NOT or UNKNOWN is a very dynamic aspect of our psyche's that for the most part, is entirely unknown to us. I became aware of how throughout my life my own unconscious reactions to MYSTERY produced hordes of delusion and false interpretation. That to be still and present with the eternal mystery that will always remain that continually delivers to us both true and false - is a very sacred road to travel on indeed.
So according to the experience, the glad word that is expounded which explains this riddle is simply MYSTERY. That's it. I can personally vouch that it is indeed a very glad word to behold in light of it's higher meaning.
Now one cannot claim to have such an insight of course without going through the ordeal of the verse, which is " There cometh one to follow thee: he shall expound it." without of course questioning "sheesh, am I that obnoxious to actually think this book is referring to me?" and to be honest, I think that's just part of the humor of liber al. I'm not really interested being that person if there is any validity to what I experienced, and really not claiming to have the ultimate interpretation. Ironically, i just note that the simplicity of the interpretation does appear to follow the predictions of what Crowley suggested it would be.
Okay, so there is my honest share. It's an experience, not a claim (other than a claim about an experience
. But it is very valuable and meaningful to me, and is also very practical in real world affairs just as much as it is in inner world affairs.Still hoping though that some here will rip it to shreds, strike hard and lo, and deliver me from any shackles of delusion that my psyche may bare.
Lotsa Love,
56Continuing on with myself...
If I've now broken whatever "deal" I had with myself that allowed me to provide a rational story for my experiences, I now have to re-question those experiences.
Seems like a transitory mental state - suprarational - in which I choose to see others around me as star beings. It follows (rationally - in error), that whatever they are discussing must be of grand importance (thought it's not). I cannot understand this supposed grand importance, so I project a rational, organizing story on their discussions that leaves me feeling left out, since I cannot both be in that suprarational state of mind AND expect a rational, Assiatic explanation of the experience. Something like that...
So, next time this occurs, I should instead... reject a rational explanation of the experience and simply attempt to enjoy the fact that I am surrounded by extraordinary (ordinary) beings without turning my need for a rational explanation into a storyline that involves me being left out of the grand conversation.
Sitting with the Buddhists is good for me. I still have to force myself to go. My mind wanders during the more dogmatic bits. But the talks are reminders that I need, and the sitting is good. I doubt I could sit still the whole time if there weren't others around me. Want to turn over a new leaf.
I didn't come all this way to stall out here. Let's get it done.
-
Hello to the community here and a warm 93. If you do not find it too obnoxious, I would like to share, as honesty as I can, an experience that happened to me almost 9 years ago that was very thelemic in nature - and one of the insights at that time had to do with one of the most in your face - understand me if you dare - verses in the book of the law. "76. 4 6 3 8 A B K 2 4 A L G M O R 3 Y X 24 89 R P S T O V A L. What meaneth this, o prophet? Thou knowest not; nor shalt thou know ever. There cometh one to follow thee: he shall expound it. But remember, o chosen one, to be me; to follow the love of Nu in the star-lit heaven; to look forth upon men, to tell them this glad word."
Specifically, what was revealed to me was that simple and glad word that reveals the 'riddle' of the text.
Now please I understand I am only sharing with you the experience of this while not claiming that it is actually true with a capitol T. I just thought it would be fun to share it here and see what comes of it.
So! on with my story and some context before I tell you what was revealed to me. I have a extremely unimpressive magickal career, and to be honest, really never that much interested in practicing ceremonial magick. I was deeply drawn to Liber al over 20 years ago however - and of course love knowing or discovering any occult secrets or knowledge - but my interests were always more philosophical, alchemical and never found that much of a personal need to invoke often. I did have one or two initiations however, and heaps of interesting experience in my life - but really never knew exactly what I was doing prior to this experience. So it was indeed my surprise when I found myself having an experience in which i completely crossed the abyss. I can assure you, inside of the experience, it had absolutely nothing to do with any level of skill I have (because if it did i would not have crossed) - it was HIGHLY intense, i could feel the 'danger' of the passage about me - and all I could do was completely surrender to it and I can only attribute pure grace to the success of that experience. and hope to never go through that again
The experience lasted three months, beginning it's cycle on the solstice and lasting until the following spring. Everyday. Every night. Massive amounts of syncronicity every waking moment, sometimes so extreme it was comical. I had absolutely no idea what I was doing and at one point I felt such a surge of cosmic love I had a very genuine concern that I was disappear, physically, from the face of the earth. I did the best I could to keep the energy grounded, but after 3 months, could no longer sustain the experience and crashed. ouch. it took a few years to recover from that.
It one sense you could say it was a classical kundalini awakening - in another sense you could aslo say it was a classic manic -depressive episode. However I am not manic depressive and have not had anything like that occur before or since.
So... the main component of the experience, crossing the abyss - lead me into a state I can only describe as pure objective consciousness - which I can describe as the perception and understanding between objective consciousness, subjective consciousness, and mysterious consciousness. I was given a number tool with which I could use to understand what was happening to me later. I had beautiful experiences that showed me the union of what i was receiving being held secret in different systems of religion - mainly buddhism, christianity, judaism, islam, hindusim, Taoism - and then Thelema.
The 'download' i received has much to do with my life and professional work to this very day - and it was a surprise to me to learn that this tool has very practical purposes, especially around technology. I am not going to get into that here, just want to point out that this was the main download - understanding small little verses in liber al was a small component of the experience.
The main insight was really understanding, experiencing the distinctions between TRUE, FALSE, and MYSTERY (each chapter of liber al, in the experience, supported each distinction)
The main key of getting this insight was of course integrating 'mystery' and the profoundness of 'mystery'.
and it was very highly entertaining at the time, when *"76. 4 6 3 8 A B K 2 4 A L G M O R 3 Y X 24 89 R P S T O V A L. What meaneth this, o prophet? Thou knowest not; nor shalt thou know ever. " *appeared to perfectly highlight (in a very humorous way) MYSTERY or UNKNOWN. The meaning of the verse is just simply UNKNOWN - and understanding the dynamic of MYSTERY or NOT or UNKNOWN is a very dynamic aspect of our psyche's that for the most part, is entirely unknown to us. I became aware of how throughout my life my own unconscious reactions to MYSTERY produced hordes of delusion and false interpretation. That to be still and present with the eternal mystery that will always remain that continually delivers to us both true and false - is a very sacred road to travel on indeed.
So according to the experience, the glad word that is expounded which explains this riddle is simply MYSTERY. That's it. I can personally vouch that it is indeed a very glad word to behold in light of it's higher meaning.
Now one cannot claim to have such an insight of course without going through the ordeal of the verse, which is " There cometh one to follow thee: he shall expound it." without of course questioning "sheesh, am I that obnoxious to actually think this book is referring to me?" and to be honest, I think that's just part of the humor of liber al. I'm not really interested being that person if there is any validity to what I experienced, and really not claiming to have the ultimate interpretation. Ironically, i just note that the simplicity of the interpretation does appear to follow the predictions of what Crowley suggested it would be.
Okay, so there is my honest share. It's an experience, not a claim (other than a claim about an experience
. But it is very valuable and meaningful to me, and is also very practical in real world affairs just as much as it is in inner world affairs.Still hoping though that some here will rip it to shreds, strike hard and lo, and deliver me from any shackles of delusion that my psyche may bare.
Lotsa Love,
56@Aegis said
" I doubt I could sit still the whole time if there weren't others around me."
...and thus the great secret of the illuminati is revealed
-
Hello to the community here and a warm 93. If you do not find it too obnoxious, I would like to share, as honesty as I can, an experience that happened to me almost 9 years ago that was very thelemic in nature - and one of the insights at that time had to do with one of the most in your face - understand me if you dare - verses in the book of the law. "76. 4 6 3 8 A B K 2 4 A L G M O R 3 Y X 24 89 R P S T O V A L. What meaneth this, o prophet? Thou knowest not; nor shalt thou know ever. There cometh one to follow thee: he shall expound it. But remember, o chosen one, to be me; to follow the love of Nu in the star-lit heaven; to look forth upon men, to tell them this glad word."
Specifically, what was revealed to me was that simple and glad word that reveals the 'riddle' of the text.
Now please I understand I am only sharing with you the experience of this while not claiming that it is actually true with a capitol T. I just thought it would be fun to share it here and see what comes of it.
So! on with my story and some context before I tell you what was revealed to me. I have a extremely unimpressive magickal career, and to be honest, really never that much interested in practicing ceremonial magick. I was deeply drawn to Liber al over 20 years ago however - and of course love knowing or discovering any occult secrets or knowledge - but my interests were always more philosophical, alchemical and never found that much of a personal need to invoke often. I did have one or two initiations however, and heaps of interesting experience in my life - but really never knew exactly what I was doing prior to this experience. So it was indeed my surprise when I found myself having an experience in which i completely crossed the abyss. I can assure you, inside of the experience, it had absolutely nothing to do with any level of skill I have (because if it did i would not have crossed) - it was HIGHLY intense, i could feel the 'danger' of the passage about me - and all I could do was completely surrender to it and I can only attribute pure grace to the success of that experience. and hope to never go through that again
The experience lasted three months, beginning it's cycle on the solstice and lasting until the following spring. Everyday. Every night. Massive amounts of syncronicity every waking moment, sometimes so extreme it was comical. I had absolutely no idea what I was doing and at one point I felt such a surge of cosmic love I had a very genuine concern that I was disappear, physically, from the face of the earth. I did the best I could to keep the energy grounded, but after 3 months, could no longer sustain the experience and crashed. ouch. it took a few years to recover from that.
It one sense you could say it was a classical kundalini awakening - in another sense you could aslo say it was a classic manic -depressive episode. However I am not manic depressive and have not had anything like that occur before or since.
So... the main component of the experience, crossing the abyss - lead me into a state I can only describe as pure objective consciousness - which I can describe as the perception and understanding between objective consciousness, subjective consciousness, and mysterious consciousness. I was given a number tool with which I could use to understand what was happening to me later. I had beautiful experiences that showed me the union of what i was receiving being held secret in different systems of religion - mainly buddhism, christianity, judaism, islam, hindusim, Taoism - and then Thelema.
The 'download' i received has much to do with my life and professional work to this very day - and it was a surprise to me to learn that this tool has very practical purposes, especially around technology. I am not going to get into that here, just want to point out that this was the main download - understanding small little verses in liber al was a small component of the experience.
The main insight was really understanding, experiencing the distinctions between TRUE, FALSE, and MYSTERY (each chapter of liber al, in the experience, supported each distinction)
The main key of getting this insight was of course integrating 'mystery' and the profoundness of 'mystery'.
and it was very highly entertaining at the time, when *"76. 4 6 3 8 A B K 2 4 A L G M O R 3 Y X 24 89 R P S T O V A L. What meaneth this, o prophet? Thou knowest not; nor shalt thou know ever. " *appeared to perfectly highlight (in a very humorous way) MYSTERY or UNKNOWN. The meaning of the verse is just simply UNKNOWN - and understanding the dynamic of MYSTERY or NOT or UNKNOWN is a very dynamic aspect of our psyche's that for the most part, is entirely unknown to us. I became aware of how throughout my life my own unconscious reactions to MYSTERY produced hordes of delusion and false interpretation. That to be still and present with the eternal mystery that will always remain that continually delivers to us both true and false - is a very sacred road to travel on indeed.
So according to the experience, the glad word that is expounded which explains this riddle is simply MYSTERY. That's it. I can personally vouch that it is indeed a very glad word to behold in light of it's higher meaning.
Now one cannot claim to have such an insight of course without going through the ordeal of the verse, which is " There cometh one to follow thee: he shall expound it." without of course questioning "sheesh, am I that obnoxious to actually think this book is referring to me?" and to be honest, I think that's just part of the humor of liber al. I'm not really interested being that person if there is any validity to what I experienced, and really not claiming to have the ultimate interpretation. Ironically, i just note that the simplicity of the interpretation does appear to follow the predictions of what Crowley suggested it would be.
Okay, so there is my honest share. It's an experience, not a claim (other than a claim about an experience
. But it is very valuable and meaningful to me, and is also very practical in real world affairs just as much as it is in inner world affairs.Still hoping though that some here will rip it to shreds, strike hard and lo, and deliver me from any shackles of delusion that my psyche may bare.
Lotsa Love,
56 -
Hello to the community here and a warm 93. If you do not find it too obnoxious, I would like to share, as honesty as I can, an experience that happened to me almost 9 years ago that was very thelemic in nature - and one of the insights at that time had to do with one of the most in your face - understand me if you dare - verses in the book of the law. "76. 4 6 3 8 A B K 2 4 A L G M O R 3 Y X 24 89 R P S T O V A L. What meaneth this, o prophet? Thou knowest not; nor shalt thou know ever. There cometh one to follow thee: he shall expound it. But remember, o chosen one, to be me; to follow the love of Nu in the star-lit heaven; to look forth upon men, to tell them this glad word."
Specifically, what was revealed to me was that simple and glad word that reveals the 'riddle' of the text.
Now please I understand I am only sharing with you the experience of this while not claiming that it is actually true with a capitol T. I just thought it would be fun to share it here and see what comes of it.
So! on with my story and some context before I tell you what was revealed to me. I have a extremely unimpressive magickal career, and to be honest, really never that much interested in practicing ceremonial magick. I was deeply drawn to Liber al over 20 years ago however - and of course love knowing or discovering any occult secrets or knowledge - but my interests were always more philosophical, alchemical and never found that much of a personal need to invoke often. I did have one or two initiations however, and heaps of interesting experience in my life - but really never knew exactly what I was doing prior to this experience. So it was indeed my surprise when I found myself having an experience in which i completely crossed the abyss. I can assure you, inside of the experience, it had absolutely nothing to do with any level of skill I have (because if it did i would not have crossed) - it was HIGHLY intense, i could feel the 'danger' of the passage about me - and all I could do was completely surrender to it and I can only attribute pure grace to the success of that experience. and hope to never go through that again
The experience lasted three months, beginning it's cycle on the solstice and lasting until the following spring. Everyday. Every night. Massive amounts of syncronicity every waking moment, sometimes so extreme it was comical. I had absolutely no idea what I was doing and at one point I felt such a surge of cosmic love I had a very genuine concern that I was disappear, physically, from the face of the earth. I did the best I could to keep the energy grounded, but after 3 months, could no longer sustain the experience and crashed. ouch. it took a few years to recover from that.
It one sense you could say it was a classical kundalini awakening - in another sense you could aslo say it was a classic manic -depressive episode. However I am not manic depressive and have not had anything like that occur before or since.
So... the main component of the experience, crossing the abyss - lead me into a state I can only describe as pure objective consciousness - which I can describe as the perception and understanding between objective consciousness, subjective consciousness, and mysterious consciousness. I was given a number tool with which I could use to understand what was happening to me later. I had beautiful experiences that showed me the union of what i was receiving being held secret in different systems of religion - mainly buddhism, christianity, judaism, islam, hindusim, Taoism - and then Thelema.
The 'download' i received has much to do with my life and professional work to this very day - and it was a surprise to me to learn that this tool has very practical purposes, especially around technology. I am not going to get into that here, just want to point out that this was the main download - understanding small little verses in liber al was a small component of the experience.
The main insight was really understanding, experiencing the distinctions between TRUE, FALSE, and MYSTERY (each chapter of liber al, in the experience, supported each distinction)
The main key of getting this insight was of course integrating 'mystery' and the profoundness of 'mystery'.
and it was very highly entertaining at the time, when *"76. 4 6 3 8 A B K 2 4 A L G M O R 3 Y X 24 89 R P S T O V A L. What meaneth this, o prophet? Thou knowest not; nor shalt thou know ever. " *appeared to perfectly highlight (in a very humorous way) MYSTERY or UNKNOWN. The meaning of the verse is just simply UNKNOWN - and understanding the dynamic of MYSTERY or NOT or UNKNOWN is a very dynamic aspect of our psyche's that for the most part, is entirely unknown to us. I became aware of how throughout my life my own unconscious reactions to MYSTERY produced hordes of delusion and false interpretation. That to be still and present with the eternal mystery that will always remain that continually delivers to us both true and false - is a very sacred road to travel on indeed.
So according to the experience, the glad word that is expounded which explains this riddle is simply MYSTERY. That's it. I can personally vouch that it is indeed a very glad word to behold in light of it's higher meaning.
Now one cannot claim to have such an insight of course without going through the ordeal of the verse, which is " There cometh one to follow thee: he shall expound it." without of course questioning "sheesh, am I that obnoxious to actually think this book is referring to me?" and to be honest, I think that's just part of the humor of liber al. I'm not really interested being that person if there is any validity to what I experienced, and really not claiming to have the ultimate interpretation. Ironically, i just note that the simplicity of the interpretation does appear to follow the predictions of what Crowley suggested it would be.
Okay, so there is my honest share. It's an experience, not a claim (other than a claim about an experience
. But it is very valuable and meaningful to me, and is also very practical in real world affairs just as much as it is in inner world affairs.Still hoping though that some here will rip it to shreds, strike hard and lo, and deliver me from any shackles of delusion that my psyche may bare.
Lotsa Love,
56