power and protection
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@Zos said
"I was wondering which magical tradition can be used to increase one's personal power on the earth. The word Power in this context means the same kind of power that is wielded by the military, organized police forces, and the prison system. Ideally I would like to find which tradition could grant me protection from the police and courts of the world."
"I was wondering which magical tradition can be used to increase one's personal power on the earth. ?"
Love is the Law. Any path that is in accordance with that, will bring about changes in ones personal power. IMNSHO any act that is contrary to Love will put one at odds and will decrease ones power.
"The word Power in this context means the same kind of power that is wielded by the military, organized police forces, and the prison system."
From what I see, those examples are off the Power Over sort, and of a Being, being Subjected to.
" Ideally I would like to find which tradition could grant me protection from the police and courts of the world."
I am curious why you want to know, and what your intent is?
Every man and every woman is a star,
And is not Subjected to any law
But to do what thou wilt
love is the law.
Love under will.If you are doing something that will end up with a prision term, because you are in violation of statues and codes and are harming other beings, I personally think that you may need or want to reflect upon your motives and intent.
There are people who are not Subjected, and can do what ever they please.
Most of these people are in that position because They are in accordance with the Law, and are Servants of Love and Light. -
This kneejerk reaction that I'm seeing here perhaps needs some perspective. It is definitely not the case that all laws of nations are created by intelligent, thoughtful, deeply caring people who want to protect others. There are many laws in many nations that are simply rammed through legislatures or exist because of backward religious traditions. I would contend that laws exist in the western world that are really on the books for no other reason than they were used to appeal to a christian conservative voting base.
An example that I would give for this would be women who are not legally allowed to drive in Saudi Arabia. Or women who are not allowed to go to school in Afghanistan. Who could believe these laws exist for someone's protection? That would be silly.
I would assume that many people here would champion women in those countries who tried to subvert these ridiculous laws. I would also assume that many of you would like to see them overturned.
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@Zos said
"This kneejerk reaction that I'm seeing here perhaps needs some perspective. It is definitely not the case that all laws of nations are created by intelligent, thoughtful, deeply caring people who want to protect others. There are many laws in many nations that are simply rammed through legislatures or exist because of backward religious traditions. I would contend that laws exist in the western world that are really on the books for no other reason than they were used to appeal to a christian conservative voting base.
An example that I would give for this would be women who are not legally allowed to drive in Saudi Arabia. Or women who are not allowed to go to school in Afghanistan. Who could believe these laws exist for someone's protection? That would be silly.
I would assume that many people here would champion women in those countries who tried to subvert these ridiculous laws. I would also assume that many of you would like to see them overturned."
Here you have described a whole other thing. This would beg, "what magickal system would you use to empower a revolution?" Breaking the law like thieving, murder, consuming or distributing illegal drugs is a different purpose altogether. If one wants to "break the law," then one must deal with that universe. If one wants to change the law, that's another system all over.
I'm in full support, as far as moral support goes, of those women in Saudi Arabia - but you overlook some interesting facets. The secular laws that exist there are in place in order to protect; to protect Sharia Law and ancient Muslim cultural beliefs. Whether I agree with those beliefs or not is moot, I'm not in Arabic culture. It is my Will to be a native born California boy. Those men and women who are currently working against those laws aren't breaking those laws out of selfish or causeless intent, but for purpose of shaping a new future. It is not mine to interfere with their exercising of Will (but I'll gladly spot them if they find themselves in trouble).
The American Suffragette movement didn't start nor succeed overnight. But inroads where made eventually over time. Likewise, inroads are being made on the issue of women's liberation in those nations you speak of. Small inroads, perhaps, but there and true nonetheless.
Breaking the law and revolting are two different acts. I don't believe any of the above was a "knee jerk" reaction.
If you want the political power and clout you describe, use the same magick that those who have it use. Crowley describe very detailed descriptions of how to write letters, organize movements, and get elected as a magickal act of Will (he also described making brownies, but that's a power of another substance).
ps. I'll add that the ingredients of the type of magick that gives on political power and freedom is in the three Cs. Charisma, Conviction, & Cash.
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@Takamba said
"Breaking the law and revolting are two different acts. I don't believe any of the above was a "knee jerk" reaction."
Let me correct you on this. There was a kneejerk reaction. There are several posts in this thread clearly demonstrating the logic that goes: *"If a crime is committed, then it follows that someone will be hurt." *
That logic has been used at least twice in this thread by more than one person. It is a fallacy, because it presumes a bunch of background premises that are not true in the world. It requires that all laws exist to protect people from harm. I showed that this is not the case. I could give more examples. Yes, it was a kneejerk reaction.
@Takamba said
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If you want the political power and clout you describe, use the same magick that those who have it use. Crowley describe very detailed descriptions of how to write letters, organize movements, and get elected as a magical act of Will (he also described making brownies, but that's a power of another substance).ps. I'll add that the ingredients of the type of magick that gives on political power and freedom is in the three Cs. Charisma, Conviction, & Cash."
Well Crowley himself was only a few feet away from being hit by a German bomb. I will disagree with your statement of Charisma, Conviction, & Cash. It seems that what you are talking about is manipulation. I'm talking instead about Power in a phenomenological sense.
(If I may opine on the subject of power since I have an audience), I would suggest that political power comes from the power of violent force. I do not see the police, judges, and prisons as having any moral, spiritual, or intellectual superiority over me. The only power they have over me demonstrably, is to threaten and coerce me through the use of organized violent force. It is the only power they have over me.
I believe that the police and courts are not protecting people per se, (because look at their use of tasers and pepper spray.) What they may actually be protecting is a certain form of culture that forces itself on issues of monogamy and the raising of children. A person whose goal in life is different from this paradigm finds themselves attacked, labelled a pariah, or even imprisoned in some cases. Since the goal of many cultural laws is the protection of a certain lifestyle, it does not follow at all that violating those "morays" necessarily entails hurting another person. People who may have a vested interest in the culture (single mothers, for instance) will twist the issue to make it seem as if any deviation from their life goals is a necessary harm to a person. Such people would have it so that their lifestyle is the only valid lifestyle for everyone else too. That is common kind of arguing strategy we may see used by someone in this thread sooner or later.
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If you were including my answer in that broad brush, I assure you I wasn't answering from that premise. I wonder if my use of "karma" threw you off. I merely meant that there are consequences for all actions, and these exist within the framework in which the action is taken.
It doesn't really matter why a law exists or whether it is just if the question is whether you will be naturally subject to consequences for its breech. That's all pretty irrelevant to your original question.
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So in summary, you wish to overwhelm your foes (in your case the police, courts, laws, etc.) with force or fear. If this is incorrect please let me know and disregard this post. Otherwise read on.
There's an old saying that there are no such things as "good" or "evil". While humanity loves to create this duality of nature about everything its all about someone's perspective. Now, I do agree with Jim's statement. If you are to pit your will against the collective will of a society, then most likely you will be trampled without a chance. Its kind of like one man going up against a million people trying to defy them all. Its cool in movies but isn't very effective in practice.
Now, if you want to just "evade" the cops (although I am not endorsing this) I suppose you could use some redirection based techniques. But if your aim is to overwhelm them, as I believe it is, then you would have to first empower yourself to the point where you could create your own tradition (much like Crowley did). To do this would take much time and effort (indeed, if it doesn't take your entire lifetime you might not even accomplish it). In this, numbers are power. The military does not rely on one individual to go to war, it relies on its unit cohesion and the combined training in each member. They use the numbers they deem fit for the job and it is almost always better to have more on hand than is necessary. So in this aspect I suppose that's leading more to a revolution of some kind (moral, cultural, spiritual, etc.).
A quicker way to go about it would be to get a bunch of mercenaries to constantly follow you around (although that might attract the attention of the CIA so you might not want that). Or just go make your own country and create your own culture and laws.
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If you are referring to my response,
I will admit that I am hesitant to share what I know, because you did not give specific information.
For all I know you could be intending on kidnapping some one and subjecting them to some thing, that i would rather not be a part of.
Their are a lot of sickos in the world who use the guise of magic and spirit to do. What I judge as wrong things, raping babies, murder, things that are not life afirming. As a woman, that is pretty much one of my main objectives, enhancing life, keeping things alive, nurturing...
And since you were oh so vague as to your intentions.....and why you want to know....
Well if that doesn't warrant a knee jerk reaction....If you work from with in system, using the system as it was constructed to do, any intelligent empassioned person can have power and is protected by the Law.
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Its an interesting question in context of Liber Oz and the fact that the Senate recently approved the controversial National Defense Authorization Act for 2012:
Castaneda observed that Mexican shamans' powers of magick increased in direct proportion to oppressive regimes as a means of survival.
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Veronica, let's be sure we understand what the OP is asking - he's not asking for spells and potions. Read over the original questions, he's asking which "secret brotherhood" to join in order to be protected from police and judges of the world. For me, the clearest part of the original question is that he believes he needs to be protected from powers. Poor chap.
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@Takamba said
"Veronica, let's be sure we understand what the OP is asking - he's not asking for spells and potions. Read over the original questions, he's asking which "secret brotherhood" to join in order to be protected from police and judges of the world. For me, the clearest part of the original question is that he believes he needs to be protected from powers. Poor chap."
Lol
The Big Black Sisterhood,
They have more power then anything I know, and can cook too!
On the serious side, I don't have any spells and formulas, but I do know that there are ways to assert authority over people, mundane words, and our very own legal system, which is not USA exclusive, which is why foreign dignitaries have so much freedom and power.
Yes, he believes he needs to be protected,
Which is what I jerked on, for I would like to know what one is doing that you need to be protected,.
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@Phoenix said
"A quicker way to go about it would be to get a bunch of mercenaries to constantly follow you around (although that might attract the attention of the CIA so you might not want that). Or just go make your own country and create your own culture and laws."
Going overseas is crucial. I intend to use all the non-magical methods available, such as being outside of the jurisdiction of the police, in the aim of evasion. So yes. However, I need an additional edge against being able to spot and evade the gaze of NGOs. This is not so crazy, as there are nations which lack an infrastructure of a police force. I will require protection against what little police forces exist there, especially since they probably are not bound by Miranda rights. Active military persons are outside of the jurisdiction of civilian courts, even the courts of the nations in which they are occupying.
I will be armed, and I expect those working with me to be armed as well.
