Self help, and the Four worlds
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@Ash said
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So you would include assumptions under "thoughts" here, yes? This means that "thought" must include things that are beneath the threshold of conscious awareness.I'm not sure I understand your definition of emotions as "actions" that express feelings; can you elaborate?
Other than that, I can work with these.
"As I said before, I put "assumptions" (your words) in with "Core beliefs" and what I define as "attitudes." These are thought patterns, or foundations of our thoughts, that we no longer give cognitive fuel to. In other words, these are the social and parental models you've "assumed." You "assume" women (for instance) have specific roles they play, you "believe" a woman does this or does that. You don't "Know" these things, yet you condition your entire perceptive model and response model on these things. If I were to ask you "what did your parents teach you about sex?" You might first respond with "well, they sat me down and told me..." and then I would interrupt you and say, "no, what I mean is, in their lives, how did they respond to the core topic of sex? For instance, where they free with the topic or restrictive? Did they teach you it was taboo or that it was sacred? Do you believe it is dirty or do you believe it is a natural and fluid human trait?" Your core beliefs about money, for instance (what some term a "lack versus abundance model") will influence your day to day thought processes regarding how you interpret events which you perceive around you. That's what I'm getting at. So what you call "beneath the threshold" I actually place "above the threshold" in the realm of beliefs. (Above and below not being important, what is important is that these types of thoughts aren't "thoughts" per se, but foundations of thought and I call them beliefs.) Core beliefs are beliefs that are not easily rationalized away, they are embedded within your personality (some argue that they cannot be changed, but this is not a belief I hold).
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@Ash said
"93.
I understand now, and agree with your take.
Sorry if that's anticlimactic; I simply think you've won the exchange.
93, 93/93."
I won the Internet! Woohoo! (Just kidding. You know what they say about winning an Internet argument.... "you're still retarded.") I wasn't thinking about winning or losing, I'm just trying to reconcile or model the Qabalistic model on what I've agreed is an effective cognitive model and I think with your help in getting me to iron things out I've done so. I'm putting Core Beliefs/Attitudes in the Briahtic realm. Placing Feelings/Thoughts in the Yetziratic realm makes a lot of sense to me. This makes great sense to me since the Cognitive model has 5 layers and the Qabalistic only 4. I don't know why I never thought of it before tonight.
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I am curious,
I don't think that life, people, things.... Learn. At all.
I think I am pretty solid with the idea that all actions, all movement, all life is simple habitual, which could be like instinct, and could explain why some instincts fade.
I have been working with the idea that even the so called laws of the worlds, of the universe, are just habits, and that eventually over time and spec. These laws will seace, stop being laws, become bendable and flexible, and that is why Magic can happen.
Some are good habits and enhance life, continuing life, and some habits are not life enhancing and destroy life.
If I sit in school and memorize my time tables, have a truly learned, or have I just made myself habitually respond in a. Certain manner to get a gold star?
I would speculate that really the only thing that would real be learning is when we change our habits, and force ourselves to almost take a leap of faith and just know that we need to do something different, cause what we are doing isn't working.
I don't go around writing imagine though, I could change my mind, but I haven't yet.
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@Veronica said
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I have been working with the idea that even the so called laws of the worlds, of the universe, are just habits, and that eventually over time and spec. These laws will seace, stop being laws, become bendable and flexible, and that is why Magic can happen............
I would speculate that really the only thing that would real be learning is when we change our habits, and force ourselves to almost take a leap of faith and just know that we need to do something different, cause what we are doing isn't working."
amen
That's a much more feminine perspective and one to which I strongly resonate.
I read a book recently by Joseph Chilton Pearce called 'The Biology of Transcendence', and in the preface to the book he describes an experience that was life changing for him. He discovered in himself a state he called the 'unconflicted mind' where the laws of the physcial world seemed to bend for him. He said that there was a brief moment that he learned to recognise in which he would understand that he was already dead (as in, death was inevitable), so physical law couldn't hold him. It was a state with no internal dialog, no conflict, and if he just moved on his impluses they would succeed (I think he covers it more in 'The Crack in the Cosmic Egg', which I haven't read yet). I think that would support the idea that we can transcend the normal laws by letting go of rules, laws, and habits. (he couldn't be burned, seemed to defy gravity while rock climbing etc.)
For myself I insist on refusing the idea that we can learn through lifes hardships, spartan discipline or self punishment. Instead I insist (to myself) that we learn through the beauty and love and makes us more whole and heals the damaged understanding. Things can grow and evolve under various conditions, but compare what grows in a dry rocky harsh environment and what grows in lush moist fertile environment... I would prefer to be in the second catagory. It's my way of trying to reprogram the patriarchal system out of my psyche and hopefully that will overflow into my reality.
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@Ash said
"1. Sensation - a sensory organ picks up raw energy.
- Transduction - the raw energy is converted into a neural signal by special cells in the sense organ.
- Attention - concentrating mental energy on processing neural signal
- Perception - interpretation of the processed neural signal."
I tend to enjoy Four this way:
- Y - Electricity - Hadit(Sensation)
- H - Magnetism - Nuit(Transduction)
- V - Electromagnetic spectrum - Ra-Hoor-Khuit(Attention)
- H - Resonance - Ma'at(Perception)
Then comes THE ARROW, and things get fun.
Thoth, the Secret Beast, and his wily Five!A meditation upon the 5th Aethyr may be fruitful in times such as these.
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Oh, and Veronica:
Keep up the nice work!
I know you don't need me to tell you that, though, haha.
The Feminine Knowing that seeds, for however interesting and amazing they are in their basic form, containing all possibility, MUST change and MUST grow for that possibility to manifest is a foundation that is missing from so many minds.Thank you for keeping the Feminine Faith alive for us here to behold.
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Thank you very much for your kind words Diluvium,
I recall playground arguments between boys and girls..
Girls can't do this, or that
And the girls would say I can do anything you can do....And the boys would whip down their pants and pee on a tree, and say do that.
Which always pretty much ended it.
I married a man with two kids, a son and a daughter. One day I was in my bedroom, and looked down the hall to see this little three year old girl, go to the toilet. She dropped her pants, grabbed at her self, and peed into the folksy, standing up.
After that I knew their could no excuse for females not doing and being everything they are fully capable of.
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@Veronica said
"After that I knew their could no excuse for females not doing and being everything they are fully capable of."
And being a boy faced with these unbelievably sexy Truths, I simply bow to the power and hope for my chance to play along.
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@RhiH said
"Years ago my mother encouraged me to listen to her cd set of "The Secret". I started going through it and thought, "Wait a minute, where have I heard this before?" I walked over to my book shelves and looked at the spines of several books I had there and found Thought Vibration or the Law of Attraction in the Thought World, W.W. Atkinson, 1906. In my opinion, the whole thing is just a rip off of W.W.Atkinson, and he did it better, and cheaper. I think it's terribly dishonest to take someone elses work and claim it as your own wonderful new work... and to charge money for it. "
I just looked on amazon.com, you can get Thought Vibration or the Law of Attraction in the Thought World, by W.W. Atkinson, a new copy for $6.40 and a kindle of it for even less. So I am getting one.
Though I did not care for the Secret, but amazon lets you look inside, and Atkinson's book looked much more tolerable.
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Oh maybe this relates here, I liked this video:
TO UNDERSTAND IS TO PERCEIVE PATTERNS
by Jason Silva