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Chaos, Babalon, Therion etc placement on the Tree of Life.

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    AssortedNuts
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    Any help appreciated.

    Different authors on Crowley give me different placements, also Crowley himself seems to differ.

    I have drawn out several trees with conflicting placements and was looking for a little help.

    So basically I want to know on which Sephira/Sephiroth to place the following:

    Nuit
    Hadit
    Abrahadabra
    Babalon
    Chaos
    Therion
    Baphomet
    Aiwaz
    Ra hoor khuit
    Heru ra ha
    solve
    coagula
    Agape
    Thelema

    or paths If that be the case.

    and any others you may find relevant.

    Thanking you in advance.

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    • A AssortedNuts

      Any help appreciated.

      Different authors on Crowley give me different placements, also Crowley himself seems to differ.

      I have drawn out several trees with conflicting placements and was looking for a little help.

      So basically I want to know on which Sephira/Sephiroth to place the following:

      Nuit
      Hadit
      Abrahadabra
      Babalon
      Chaos
      Therion
      Baphomet
      Aiwaz
      Ra hoor khuit
      Heru ra ha
      solve
      coagula
      Agape
      Thelema

      or paths If that be the case.

      and any others you may find relevant.

      Thanking you in advance.

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      Skia
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      I think in the "Thelemic Tree of Life" that many of those attributions could be placed in multiple Sephira. I believe 776 1/2 marks them as such.

      I don't think solve and coagula would be on it, though. From my understanding they're more of a development "process" than a single door, so to speak. Abrahadabra may be the same way, as it's the formula of the completion of the work, so I can see it as a formula of the entire journey as well as the path of cheth.

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        Any help appreciated.

        Different authors on Crowley give me different placements, also Crowley himself seems to differ.

        I have drawn out several trees with conflicting placements and was looking for a little help.

        So basically I want to know on which Sephira/Sephiroth to place the following:

        Nuit
        Hadit
        Abrahadabra
        Babalon
        Chaos
        Therion
        Baphomet
        Aiwaz
        Ra hoor khuit
        Heru ra ha
        solve
        coagula
        Agape
        Thelema

        or paths If that be the case.

        and any others you may find relevant.

        Thanking you in advance.

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        Uni_Verse
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        I have all ways viewed Nuit as representing 0, Hadit 1 and Ra-Hoor-Khuit as 10.

        The big 'jump' from Hadit being one to Ra-Hoor-Khuit as 10 is the result of the latter being the union of Nuit and Hadit. ( Think : {0} U {1} = {1,0} )

        Chaos: 2
        Babylon: 3
        Baphomet: 4 (?)
        Therion: 5 (?)
        Aiwaz: 6

        As Skia stated, solve et coagula are processes and I do not believe they have a place on the Tree ( I could be wrong). A correlation of interest may be Solve as Thelema and Coagula as Agape.

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          Any help appreciated.

          Different authors on Crowley give me different placements, also Crowley himself seems to differ.

          I have drawn out several trees with conflicting placements and was looking for a little help.

          So basically I want to know on which Sephira/Sephiroth to place the following:

          Nuit
          Hadit
          Abrahadabra
          Babalon
          Chaos
          Therion
          Baphomet
          Aiwaz
          Ra hoor khuit
          Heru ra ha
          solve
          coagula
          Agape
          Thelema

          or paths If that be the case.

          and any others you may find relevant.

          Thanking you in advance.

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          AssortedNuts
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          Thank you guys, confirming a few points for me, ayone else care to chime in?

          Thanks

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          • A AssortedNuts

            Any help appreciated.

            Different authors on Crowley give me different placements, also Crowley himself seems to differ.

            I have drawn out several trees with conflicting placements and was looking for a little help.

            So basically I want to know on which Sephira/Sephiroth to place the following:

            Nuit
            Hadit
            Abrahadabra
            Babalon
            Chaos
            Therion
            Baphomet
            Aiwaz
            Ra hoor khuit
            Heru ra ha
            solve
            coagula
            Agape
            Thelema

            or paths If that be the case.

            and any others you may find relevant.

            Thanking you in advance.

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            Tinman
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            Gods, and just about everything else, have had a tendency throughout my studies, with me, to move from one place on the TOL to another. Just as soon as I nail them down, off they go.

            RHK - seems like Tiphareth as my HGA stand in. No, now RHK seems like Kether as the meeting of Ain Soph and Ain Soph Aur. No now RHK is Geburah - yes definitly Geburah. Nope now Crowley identifies him with Ra (Tiphareth), Hoor (Geburah) Khuit (Chesed) so he's the whole middle triangle.

            Things like this happened a lot for me.

            I used to see this as a negative. Now I see it as a positive.

            Just sayin

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              Any help appreciated.

              Different authors on Crowley give me different placements, also Crowley himself seems to differ.

              I have drawn out several trees with conflicting placements and was looking for a little help.

              So basically I want to know on which Sephira/Sephiroth to place the following:

              Nuit
              Hadit
              Abrahadabra
              Babalon
              Chaos
              Therion
              Baphomet
              Aiwaz
              Ra hoor khuit
              Heru ra ha
              solve
              coagula
              Agape
              Thelema

              or paths If that be the case.

              and any others you may find relevant.

              Thanking you in advance.

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              Avshalom Binyamin
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              Yeah... since the sephiroth are more-or-less "modes" of consciousness (a more microcosm-inclusive way of saying "categories of reality"), and since advanced beings like gods and well-developed humans are capable of multiple modes of consciousness, I would imagine it would be impossible to pin them down to one. At best, one could pinpoint an aspect of a deity or person that exemplifies a sephiroth.

              In the list, the only correspondences I know are Babalon and Chaos to sephiroth 3 and 2 respectively.

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                Any help appreciated.

                Different authors on Crowley give me different placements, also Crowley himself seems to differ.

                I have drawn out several trees with conflicting placements and was looking for a little help.

                So basically I want to know on which Sephira/Sephiroth to place the following:

                Nuit
                Hadit
                Abrahadabra
                Babalon
                Chaos
                Therion
                Baphomet
                Aiwaz
                Ra hoor khuit
                Heru ra ha
                solve
                coagula
                Agape
                Thelema

                or paths If that be the case.

                and any others you may find relevant.

                Thanking you in advance.

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                IAO131
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                93,

                Nuit: 0, specifically Ain Soph. Also, the whole Tree of Life insofar as she is Infinite.
                Hadit: 0, specifically Ain. Also, Kether in a sense.
                Abrahadabra: 6, insofar as it refers to union of microcosm and macrocosm. In this sense, it also refers to 1 in a higher sense.
                Babalon: 3, as the Holy Mother.
                Chaos: 2, as the Holy Father.
                Therion: 2, as the consort of Babalon. The path of Leo insofar as it is combined with Babalon (i.e. Therion-Babalon).
                Baphomet: 6 as the child of Babalon and Chaos/Therion; 1 as the Two-in-One that transcends dualities.
                Aiwaz: 6 as the Holy Guardian Angel. The High Priestess path as that which connects the Supernals to the rest of the Tree, i.e. as the Messenger. Also 2 insofar as 2 is the essence of the Word.
                Ra hoor khuit: 1 as Horus who is God of this Aeon - Crowley calls the Tree of Life RHK's "Anatomy" i.e. the body of God and the complement to HPK who is 0 in a sense (Atu 0). Also 6 as the Holy Guardian Angel and the Sun. 5 in his martial aspect. 4 + 5 + 6 as the descending red triangle. Also Atu XV as the complement to Atu 0 (i.e. Horus come to full growth, achieving the Solar-Phallic wand/lance).
                Heru ra ha: 1 as Horus who is Two-in-One. Also 6 as the Sun. Atu XIX as the Sun and Atu VI as the Twins (Heru-Ra-Ha = RHK + HPK)
                Solve: 3 insofar as it represents the process of crossing the Abyss. Going up the Tree in general; The path of the Chariot which crosses the Abyss is particularly relevant. 2 becoming 0 in the ontology of the New Aeon.
                Coagula: Going down the Tree, 10 as Malkuth is the consolidation or final step of this process. The jump from 3 to 4 insofar as it represents the unity of the Supernals entering multiplicity. 0 becoming 2 in the ontology of the New Aeon.
                Agape: The path connecting 2 and 3 insofar as it is Daleth/Venus/Love. It encompasses the Tree of Life in another sense (in the same way the glyph of Venus encompasses all the Sephiroth on the Tree). 3 as the complement to 2. It is the path of Samekh insofar as it refers on the lower level to K&C of HGA but also applies to the formula of Crossing the Abyss (i.e. death as an act of love and vice versa).
                Thelema: 2 insofar as it is the Chiah or Life-force also with Agape as 3 as its complement. Also encompasses the whole Tree of Life in that it is the Law governing all things.

                93 93/93

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                • A AssortedNuts

                  Any help appreciated.

                  Different authors on Crowley give me different placements, also Crowley himself seems to differ.

                  I have drawn out several trees with conflicting placements and was looking for a little help.

                  So basically I want to know on which Sephira/Sephiroth to place the following:

                  Nuit
                  Hadit
                  Abrahadabra
                  Babalon
                  Chaos
                  Therion
                  Baphomet
                  Aiwaz
                  Ra hoor khuit
                  Heru ra ha
                  solve
                  coagula
                  Agape
                  Thelema

                  or paths If that be the case.

                  and any others you may find relevant.

                  Thanking you in advance.

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                  AssortedNuts
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                  Thank you very much.

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