Goetia
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So, what would you say to someone who's doing their first Goetic evocation this Friday?
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Be careful what you ask for...
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@Protagonis said
"So, what would you say to someone who's doing their first Goetic evocation this Friday?"
I'd say, "why wait?"
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I don't want to give away any spoilers, but I wanted to add that these are some dastardly buggers you are going to be dealing with. They will attempt to dupe and manipulate you at every opportunity. The key thing is to always be in control of the situation, no matter what. And in saying this, I held up my end of the bargain by not giving away an spoilers...change in psyche...ahem. Good luck. -
@Dar es Alrah said
"93,
Well - I utterly destroyed my Goetia last week. That should give you a clue about how I feel about the thing.
93 93/93."
Interestingly rash course of action that, might as well shoot yourself in the amygdala
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Good Luck and Have Fun.
If it doesn't seem to work the first time, don't give up or assume the spirit did not show up.
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@Dar es Alrah said
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@Archaeus said
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@Dar es Alrah said
"93,Well - I utterly destroyed my Goetia last week. That should give you a clue about how I feel about the thing.
93 93/93."
Interestingly rash course of action that, might as well shoot yourself in the amygdala
"I had it around for 16 years. Nothing rash at all about the action.
But if that upsets you, no doubt you'll be distraught to hear it would have fetched me £80 quid that could have been yours if I'd been callous enough to sell or give it to you. And btw- the last owner of the book signed it 5=6 and then ended up in a mental hospital, where his family took the opportunity to sell all of his occult books on to the book dealer that found me just after I'd sworn the oath of the abyss. Now make of that what you may... lol."
It doesn't upset me really, personally I never had a problem with the book, there must have been thousands of copies of it that never sent anyone mad. And anyone can sign themselves as a 5=6, I once knew a guy who swore blind that he was a 8=3 even though he'd never even done more than flicked through Liber ABA, make of that what you Will.
I would say though that if someone is a bit unstable then messing around in the subconscious would probably not be the best thing for them to be doing, the world is full of damaged people that should not really be messing around with things like the Goetia, or the Occult in general to be honest. -
"If it doesn't seem to work the first time, don't give up or assume the spirit did not show up."
This x100000, and as a matter of fact don't assume that whatever you're speaking with has left, even if you go through your protocol of choice.
If you jump the gun on that part you might find yourself in a very bad long-term kind of situation, and don't even assume you're talking to whatever you think you are, or take anything you learn as a fact, treat everything with the same credibility that you would overhearing a rumor around the workplace from someone you do not know and verify anything of significance or application independently.
I mean I don't want to sound jaded about it, but really.
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@Dar es Alrah said
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@Archaeus said
"I would say though that if someone is a bit unstable then messing around in the subconscious would probably not be the best thing for them to be doing, the world is full of damaged people that should not really be messing around with things like the Goetia, or the Occult in general to be honest."amused
Crowley was a very 'damaged person'. So was Grady McMurtry (PTSD and spent time in a mental hospital before re-establishing the OTO). Do you think they shouldn't have been messing around with the Occult?
Actually, there are very few people in the world who are not damaged, unstable, and delusional in one way or another. If you take the time and trouble to scratch the surface level of the social persona that practically anyone presents to the world and you'll find a bit of a mess underneath. I think perhaps it is not how damaged you are that determines whether you should be 'messing around with the occult', but how honest you are and whether you have enough true grit to pick up the pieces after a crisis blows your mental health apart, and still carry on with the work.
93's."
This is kind of off topic, so I don't think this is the place for it, maybe another thread?
This is only my own standard though, so it's by no means universal, but personally, if I wouldn't feel happy giving a person Hallucinogenic drugs, then I wouldn't want to get them involved with occultism.But some people are like clay pots, you can never tell which ones are cracked until you try to fill them with water.
Really the whole issue raises more questions than it answers, which is something that all valid questions should do?93 93/93
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@Protagonis said
"So, what would you say to someone who's doing their first Goetic evocation this Friday?"
Following on another thread well known to yu this afternoon:
This is another example of your frustrating posts. I thought of half a dozen answers for this when you first posted it, and none of them was appropriate responses. Mostly this was because of your habit of "drop question without context or sufficient information" - for example, of this were a computer troubleshooting question (not a bad analogy, come to think of it), I'd have to come back with at least half a dozen further questions before knowing where to begin. That's actually true here - and after repeated examples of this sort of thing from you, it's started to look downright abusive.
How you can expect to get a meaningful, helpful response with no more information than you gave completely escapes me. I'm left to conclude that you're a troll - dropping a one-line here and there to stir response without actually contributing to anything. You do that a lot. That's probably the biggest reason my frustration with you boiled over this morning when you did it in such an offensively way (disrespectful of others' resources and time).